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Sparks2005
01 Sep 2006, 12:03 PM
This is interesting. It was published today in one of Brazil's main newspapers, Folha de São Paulo, one of the most respected as well.

I translated the text to English below.


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DE GRAÇA, EQUIPE INGLESA LEVA TEVEZ E MASCHERANO

“West Ham, que pode se tornar o “novo Corinthians” de Kia, contrata argentinos”

“Saída da dupla aumenta rumor de que iraniano não deve mais seguir no clube alvinegro, que se reforçou ontem com o lateral César”

Eduardo Arruda
Da reportagem local

Considerado o maior pilar da parceria entre Corinthians e MSI, o atacante Carlitos Tevez deixou oficialmente o ontem o clube do Parque São Jorge, que completa 96 anos. O mesmo fez Javier Mascherano.

Os dois foram para o West Ham, clube inglês de médio porte. O movimento aumenta o rumor da saída de Kia Joorabchian, presidente da MSI, do controle do futebol corintiano.

No mesmo dia, a parceira anunciou a contratação de seu terceiro reforço, o lateral-esquerdo César, emprestado por dez meses pela Inter de Milão. Ele, além do atacante Amoroso e do voltante Magrão, confirmados para o clube anteontem, devem ser apresentados na próxima semana.

Pela saída dos argentinos, o Corinthians e a MSI não receberão nada, segundo cartolas do clube. Os atletas foram cedidos sem ônus para os ingleses. A parceira corintiana ainda se comprometeu a pagar os salários de Tevez e Mascherano.

Todas essas negociações fazem parte do acordo discutido em Londres pelos investidores da MSI com o presidente do Corinthians, Alberto Dualib, seu vice Nesi Curi e o empresário Renato Duprat, cotado para o ocupar o lugar de Kia.

O iraniano, dizem alguns cartolas corintianos, pode assumir a gestão do West Ham. No ano passado, ele disse ter oferecido € 293 milhões (cerca de R$ 843 milhões) para assumir a equipe inglesa, que não ganha um título importante desde 1980, quando venceu a Copa da Inglaterra. Nesta temporada, ocupa a sétima posição no Nacional.

De acordo com Kia, seriam € 66 milhões para comprar o clube, outros € 44 milhões para saldar dívidas, € 41,5 milhões para investimentos e outros € 146,5 milhões para adquirir novos jogadores.

Oficialmente, a MSI não comenta o assunto. Mas, segundo a Folha apurou, Kia não está propenso a seguir no Corinthians pelo desgaste na relação com a diretoria do clube.

No Parque São Jorge, a saída dele já é dada como certa.

Se de fato ela for oficializada, Duprat ganha força política. Foi ele quem arquitetou o acordo com os investidores. Em troca da liberação de Tevez e Mascherano pelo Corinthians, prometeu a Dualib conseguir três reforços e o fim da gestão do iraniano.

Dualib, que ouviu de seus vice-presidentes que deveria encerrar a parceria e manter os atletas da MSI até o final do ano no clube, aceitou a proposta de Duprat e desistiu de tentar lucrar com a venda de Tevez e Mascherano.

No ano passado, Dualib chegou a declarar que “sem Tevez, a parceria acaba”. O argentino, que conduziu o time ao título do Brasileiro no ano passado, tornou-se o maior ídolo dos corintianos neste século.

Mesmo sem Kia, dizem os corintianos, a parceria vai continuar. A partir de hoje, as reuniões continuarão, para definir os rumos administrativos.

Além de Duprat, o alemão Klaus Mangold, m dos investidores, está cotado para assumir a gerência do futebol. “Tudo foi resolvido como a gente esperava. A parceria está muito bem. Não temos nada a reclamar”, disse Dualib ao site Pelé. Ele ficará em Londres até a próxima semana. No domingo, verá o amistoso entre Brasil e Argentina na cidade.


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ENGLISH CLUB TAKES TEVEZ AND MASCHERANO ON A FREE TRANSFER

“West Ham could turn into Kia’s “new Corinthians” whist closing a deal with the Argentineans”

“Exit of the duo fuels rumors that the Iranian will not continue behind the “all-black” [Corinthians] club, who signed full-back César yesterday”.

Eduardo Arruda
Local report

Considered the core of the partnership between Corinthians and MSI, striker Carlitos Tevez officially left the Parque São Jorge [Corinthian’s home] club yesterday, while it completes 96 years of existence today. The same goes for Javier Mascherano.

Both went to West Ham, an English mid-table club. The move fuels rumors regarding MSI president Kia Joorabchian’s loss of control in Corinthian’s football department.

On the same day, the partnership announced the signing of its third reinforcement for the season, left-back César, loaned for ten months from Inter Milan. The official announcement of César should occur next week, along with striker Amoroso and midfielder Magrão, both signings confirmed two days ago.

Corinthians and MSI will receive nothing for the Argentineans transfer, according to directors of the club. The players were released without costs to the English. MSI will also pay Tevez’s and Mascherano’s wages.

All negotiations are part of deals discussed in London by MSI’s investors with Corinthians president Alberto Dualib, his vice Nesi Curi and entrepreneur Renato Duprat, the last expected to occupy Kia’s place [in Corinthians].

The Iranian, according to some directors at Corinthians, is on the verge of assuming control of West Ham. He has a € 293 million offer ready to buyout the English club – West Ham don’t win an important title since 1980, when they were victorious in the FA Cup. This season, they occupy the sixth position in the Premiership.

According to Kia, € 66 million would be used to buy the club [West Ham], another € 44 million would be used to pay current debts, € 41,5 million would go towards general investments, and finally € 146,5 million would be reserved for the acquisition of new players.

Officially, MSI refuses to comment. However, according to Folha’s sources, Kia doesn’t wish to continue with Corinthians due to rifts with the clubs board.

Many at Parque São Jorge, are sure of Kia’s exit.

If it does in fact occur [Kia’s exit], Duprat could gain substantial political strength. He was responsible for planning the partnership deal with investors. In return for releasing Tevez and Maschearno, Duprat promised Dualib three new players and the exit of Kia.

Dualib, who was adviced by his vice-presidents to end the partnership and keep MSI’s players at the club until the end of the year [end of season in Brazil], accepted Duprat’s proposal and gave up on trying to profit through the release of Tevez and Mascherano.

Last year, Dualib declared “without Tevez, there’s no partnership”. The Argentinean, who last year helped the club [Corinthians] winning the Brazilian Championship, turned into one of the Corinthians favorites in the modern era.

Even without Kia, directors claim the partnership [with MSI] will continue. Meetings are scheduled for today, to define the club’s administrative future.

Besides Duprat, german Klaus Goldman, one of the investors, is a possible successor to head the football department [at Corinthians]. “Everything was done the way we wanted it. The partnership is fine. We have nothing to complain about”, claimed Dualib in a website. He [Dualib] will be in London until next week. On Sunday, he will attend the Brazil vs Argentina friendly.

panicfc
01 Sep 2006, 12:35 PM
Holy crap!!!

That a lot of pounds for Terry and company. A lot.

blainehammer
01 Sep 2006, 12:46 PM
Don't want a bunch of foreign players with no ties to the East End.

Must keep a core of English or British/Irish.

Crudson
01 Sep 2006, 01:07 PM
Don't want a bunch of foreign players with no ties to the East End.

Must keep a core of English or British/Irish.

Harry Redknapp is gone for a reason...

Batcave Brigade
01 Sep 2006, 01:46 PM
Don't want a bunch of foreign players with no ties to the East End.

Must keep a core of English or British/Irish.

No problem just buy back east end boys Rio and Kieran Richardson. Sign Beckham to sell a couple replica shirts. Somehow I don't think we can wrestle Terry away from Chelsea:D Then buy Lampard, Ince, and Defoe, put them into an Iranian missile prototype and shoot them into the sun. Any other big names with east end ties?

West 'am 'till I die
01 Sep 2006, 02:33 PM
No problem just buy back east end boys Rio and Kieran Richardson. Sign Beckham to sell a couple replica shirts. Somehow I don't think we can wrestle Terry away from Chelsea:D Then buy Lampard, Ince, and Defoe, put them into an Iranian missile prototype and shoot them into the sun. Any other big names with east end ties?


F*CK FAT FRANK!!!!

Footstomper
01 Sep 2006, 02:44 PM
F*CK FAT FRANK!!!!
I'd really rather not, if its all right with you.

West 'am 'till I die
01 Sep 2006, 02:47 PM
I'd really rather not, if its all right with you.

quite right (my error)

west_ham
01 Sep 2006, 04:47 PM
I would take Joe Cole back way before even thinking about Captain Lardar$e.

It's difficult to see how we can be taken over by this guy and maintain our clean club image. Many fans admire us for the way we play on the pitch and conduct our business off the pitch. My fear is that under this guy people will soon forget the traditional qualities that we pride ourselves on as a club and just see us as the next Chelski style mugs. Being a rich, commercial club is not what West Ham is all about.

I cannot knock the whole idea of the take over though. We all need money pumping into our clubs. I just think the ideal scenario would be to have a big rich benefactor but keep the age old goals of developing local young talent and playing attractive, attacking football.

West 'am 'till I die
01 Sep 2006, 04:52 PM
I would take Joe Cole back way before even thinking about Captain Lardar$e.

It's difficult to see how we can be taken over by this guy and maintain our clean club image. Many fans admire us for the way we play on the pitch and conduct our business off the pitch. My fear is that under this guy people will soon forget the traditional qualities that we pride ourselves on as a club and just see us as the next Chelski style mugs. Being a rich, commercial club is not what West Ham is all about.

I cannot knock the whole idea of the take over though. We all need money pumping into our clubs. I just think the ideal scenario would be to have a big rich benefactor but keep the age old goals of developing local young talent and playing attractive, attacking football.


Too true..... but all this worldwide publicity has got to be good!! especially when you look at the amount of local/English talent we have in our squad at the moment!! we aint Arsenal (and long may it continue)

Footstomper
01 Sep 2006, 07:47 PM
http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/premiership/article1269481.ece

Is this good, bad? What?

Batcave Brigade
01 Sep 2006, 07:59 PM
http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/premiership/article1269481.ece

Is this good, bad? What?

Who the hell knows, good I guess, if we can trust this Joorabchian that is. If he is a pawn of Abramovich like some the papers say, then we are screwed.

I like this quote though...

A great club with fanatical supporters like they are used to.

This article says some Georgian tycoon is behin the takeover...

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/09/01/story274955.html

Frieslander
01 Sep 2006, 08:20 PM
It sounds like Abramovich is not behind Kia or MSI but it could be some other shady character.

First my local club gets bought out by a wacky Austrian soft drink company and now my first love looks to be getting purchased by Lord only knows. It's a strange ride.

panicfc
01 Sep 2006, 11:13 PM
It sounds like Abramovich is not behind Kia or MSI but it could be some other shady character.

First my local club gets bought out by a wacky Austrian soft drink company and now my first love looks to be getting purchased by Lord only knows. It's a strange ride.


They are all shady characters.

Batcave Brigade
02 Sep 2006, 01:24 AM
"I'm Forevor Blowing Roubles" :rolleyes:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/section/0,,3,00.html

Sparks2005
02 Sep 2006, 11:22 AM
Kia set up a money-laundering operation in Corinthians, which was beneficial to both parties, since the club got debts paid and had access to new players.

The prosecutors in Brazil questioned Kia about it on several opportunities, but were still collecting hard evidence. Of course, money-laundering deals exist in any first world country too, including the UK, but the reason it didn’t work properly in Corinthians is the amateurish way the club board handled matters. They are corrupt all right, but they frequently let tips regarding the nature of the activities leak to the press of all places, because in Brazil it’s almost “fashionable” to be corrupt. Over the last few months Kia was even trying to avoid stepping his feet on Brazilian soil. Sooner or later the whole thing was going to fall apart, so that’s evidently the real reason he moved on.

If the takeover of West Ham does indeed happen, obviously a new money-laundering scheme will be structured, and the Hammers will benefit greatly – but any notion of ethics will have to be thrown out the window.

I guess morally correct Hammers fans will have mixed feelings about it to say the very least, but the rest should be pleased.

Hammerette
02 Sep 2006, 04:19 PM
If some Arsenal fans were better informed about their own club's history then they would know all about dodgy ethics. They want to delve back into the wheres and whys of how a club from Woolwich in SE London managed to find themselves in North London. In more recent times they might like to consider the huge benefits Arsenal have reaped from having David Dein on all the right committess making sure his finger is in all the right pies.

John L
02 Sep 2006, 08:17 PM
So Tevez and Mascherano aren't signing with West Ham - They're just following Joorabchian around wherever he goes - If he bought Oxford United, that would be their new team

I think these guys are terrific players and among the most exciting and talented in the world and congrats to West Ham fans who've had to sit by and watch rivals win all the silverware with big buck owners - Now its your turn

But I can't see how this is good for the game - More rich owners in the EPL will only drive a bigger wedge between the Haves and HaveNots - And is this really going to wash away your clubs financial problems - But at what price? - And of what value will your club have when he decides to bail out? - Not much, because it appears that the major talent is tied to HIM and not the club - I can't even see how this is going to be good for West Ham after 5 or 6 years

Hammerette
02 Sep 2006, 09:51 PM
So Tevez and Mascherano aren't signing with West Ham - They're just following Joorabchian around wherever he goes - If he bought Oxford United, that would be their new team

The FA have already issued a statement confiirming that there are no irregularlties over this transfer therefore to say West Ham have not signed these players is factually incorrect. Of course players move on, all clubs apart from Chelsea are selling clubs. I don't see why people take such delight in saying they are only here for a year, so what, even if Joorabchian gets the majority of profit West Ham still get a cut plus we've had use of the players for a season. Which is more than other clubs will have.



I think these guys are terrific players and among the most exciting and talented in the world and congrats to West Ham fans who've had to sit by and watch rivals win all the silverware with big buck owners - Now its your turn.

Thanks, but we have won silverware over the years and are one of only a few English clubs who have won a major European trophy. (I'm not counting the Intertoto Cup we won in 1999). West Ham has always been about the style of play and playing a largely English, preferrable home grown team. Our fan base is not made up of glory hunting muppets demanding trophies all the time and who support the team from their armchair in the UK, US or Far East. We support our team regardless of whether we win trophies or not, we got a higher attendance at Upton Park on a Tueday night game against Bradford City in the Championship then Chelsea did on the same night for a Champions League game. Read what Steven Gerrard has to say about West Ham fans in his recent book.



But I can't see how this is good for the game - More rich owners in the EPL will only drive a bigger wedge between the Haves and HaveNots - And is this really going to wash away your clubs financial problems -

That is a complete fabrication, West Ham do not have financial problems. When I last spoke to Nick Igoe our financial director in May there was no overdraft, the only debt we have is a mortgage type loan on the ground of £20m which is payable in fixed installments at £2m a year, which for the PL is low. The club charge as much for it's executive boxes as Tottenham are are not far behind the prices charged by Arsenal, and they are all full, in the 5th biggest club stand in the country. The club also have other extensive corporate hospitiality suites which again bring in large amounts of revenue. West Ham have some of the highest ticket prices in the PL and again the revenue is substantial.


But at what price? - And of what value will your club have when he decides to bail out? - Not much, because it appears that the major talent is tied to HIM and not the club - I can't even see how this is going to be good for West Ham after 5 or 6 years

We produced "major talent" in the recent past and are continuing to do so. Anton Ferdinand will be as good as Rio, Nigel Reo Coker (ex Wimbledon academy) is England U21 and club captain, both Arsenal and Man U made enquiries a few days ago. Yossi Benayoun is Isreali captain and attracted the interest of Liverpool. If the club's finances were as you claim then they would have been sold. Dean Ashton was purchased for £7m in January by West Ham and his value has increased since then. I could go on but I think I've wasted enough of my time on this.

botch
03 Sep 2006, 05:37 AM
Too true..... but all this worldwide publicity has got to be good!! especially when you look at the amount of local/English talent we have in our squad at the moment!! we aint Arsenal (and long may it continue)

yeah and how many titles have arsenal won?