davids vs zokora

[thebigman]

aparently they are fighting, whats up wioth that?

i thought davids was going to ajax? :confused:

[Mort09]

Dunno what happened though i did hear they had some sort of bust up after we got stuffed by everton. We could really do without this sort of thing, unless it involves someone having a go at Jenas for being a useless waste-of-space

[THFC1]

We could really do without this sort of thing

It didn't hurt last season when Davids and Keane had a fight in training. We had a competitive spirit last season which has not been shown this season so far.

Aswell as Davids and Keane, Mido and Robbo had a argument at half time during the Middlesbrough game last season then Mido came up with the equaliser.

[PoshSpur]

I have a sneeky suspicion that Zokora was a Comolli signing and so isn't in Martin's good books.

He should be given his chance as I feel that he'll do a great job. I still can't understand why Davids is in the team? :confused:

I never watched the game against Everton, so I can't comment on Jenas. Many people here in the office are saying that he was non-existant (as was most of the team). Is this true?

[THFC1]

I never watched the game against Everton, so I can't comment on Jenas. Many people here in the office are saying that he was non-existant (as was most of the team). Is this true?

He was rubbish, but they all were its hard to pick out one player, the only one that was not to bad was Assou-Ekotto (BAE).

[DigitalTron]

I don't doubt that Zakora was a Comoli signing. But, I think Jol definitely wants Zakora to be his starting central midfielder ... it's just that Zakora hasn't been delivering the goods thus far. :( I have a lot of faith in his ability, and think he'll ultimately be a shrewd buy. But he hasn't adjusted yet. His play style has been significantly more docile at Spurs than I've seen it elsewhere ... maybe he's just not settled yet. He is a smart player, but he's really looking lacsidaisical (sp?) out there and the faster speed of the English game seems to be giving him trouble.

Davids is a true Dmid in the destroyer mold. Zakora is more of a well-rounded Dmid who can do a bit of everything. But, when Davids is doing 95% of the destroying, clearly Zakora is shirking. Zakora is the one penciled into the starting lineups ... but if he keeps up these timid performances, Jol will start using that eraser.

Taking him off against Bolton was intended as a bit of a wake-up call I think. He and Jenas were the two most under-performing players in midfield, and Jenas at least has the potential to score a goal. Leaving the aged Pit Bull on and taking off the in-his-prime Zakora, should have let Zakora know that he needs to improve or accept a sub role.

I think he will adjust to England, Spurs and the Premiership. When he does he'll be a very good replacement for Davids--although a different style player. Until then, we're going to have to endure his settling in period. :(

-Digital

[Spur_Forever]

Quite frankly, Zokora may have deserved it.

Like has been said before, he hasn't settled in quite yet. He seems to still be playing the game at the pace football is played in France. Consequently, he looks slow - lethargic even - which will simply not hack it in the premiership. Davids, on the other hand wants the game played at breakneck speed. Though he himself can no longer maintain this tempo, you can be sure he'll demand it of his fellow players.

What with Zokora slowing things down when we're losing by two goals, pansying away from shots on goal, wasting posession, giving the opposition too much time on the ball, and not getting stuck in enough... I can see Davids having a go at him for that.

[Danners9]

I don't think someone who has played like Davids has is in any position to criticise others.

If he spent as much time concentrating on his own game as he does moaning about that of his team mates then we may perform better.

[pookspur]

how people can have a go at edgar davids - whose done every phookin' thing in this game, at levels to which we are (for now) only aspiring, and yet is the only player out there that is giving 100%, 100% of the time - is beyond me.

has he lost a step? yes. do too many of his passes miss their mark? yes. but how this is a greater detriment to our success than the weak-ass, gutless showings that virtually every other player has put in against bolton and everton? the only reason that davids has given up the ball so much more than anyone else is that he's the only won who's won it and/or shown for it.

and perhaps i'm nitpicking, but i'd like to point out that there's a difference between moaning about one's teammate and putting one's boot up his ass. i wasn't there, and i don't know which of them is right and which is wrong. but i'd be willing to bet that whatever davids got up zokora's ass about was not whether his passes were hitting the mark, or some tactical consideration. i'll wager that, if edgar davids was giving a teammate grief, it was due to some consideration of effort or teamwork. and in any such conflict, at this point in time, there isn't a single player at spurs with whom i'd side over davids in regards of effort or commitment.*



*and the fact that - on a team of extraordinary young aspiring talent that hasn't yet approached the accomplishments of davids' past (and is highly unlikely again for davids' future) - i can say that is pretty damned sad.

[Danners9]

Sorry, but ignoring the play to turn and bollock a team mate is worthy of criticism in my book. You put the boot up a team mates arse when the ball is out of play, not straight after you've passed it off.

[sendorange]

What Davids has done in the past means very little now. Winning a game of football does not involve walking on a pitch and waving your medals around.

I think Davids has shown more energy so far this season, better than the poor performances he was making in the 2nd half of last season. However he should be a better influence than just moaning at Zokora. Perhaps a bit of tension in that Zokora is the main competitor for Davids in central midfield playing time, and definitely the one people expect to starting games.

Also in some ways I see a bit of Roy Keane here. The old man making another season when he may have been expected to retire or move on that summer. I think like Keane there is a problem where his legs just can't match up to his moaning.

[pookspur]

Sorry, but ignoring the play to turn and bollock a team mate is worthy of criticism in my book. You put the boot up a team mates arse when the ball is out of play, not straight after you've passed it off.

i'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. i've read three or four articles refering to a "locker room bust-up" between davids and zokora, which is what i presumed this thread to be about. in every article, they phrase it as davids taking some form of action against zokora, but i've seen no specifics on it, at all. so i don't think we really know what it was about.

maybe it was something personal, and not even football related. i don't know. i'm just amazed at how a "locker room bust-up" has manifested itself in such venom against davids. my only point was that, even if it was football related, i'm not looking at davids and saying "you're not getting it done" one bit quicker than i'd say it to zokora or anyone else. why is it presumed that this conflict is down to davids, and that, if so, it's not justified.

to the extent that i was speculating (which was more of an afterthought), i was just suggesting that it might well have been more effort-related than quality-related. and if that's the case, i'm saying that davids probably is closer to the high ground in any such conflict than any other player thus far.

What Davids has done in the past means very little now. Winning a game of football does not involve walking on a pitch and waving your medals around.

that he is not 'walking on the pitch and waving his medals around' is precisely my point. but alot of others are 'walking on the pitch', and they don't even have medals. that's what i'm getting at.

i'm not saying that davids (based on play or personality) is above any criticism*, but lots of spurs fans are really down on him right now, which i don't entirely understand.

*edit: upon reflection, the first sentence of my last post contradicts this claim, doesn't it? let's just go with this post, then.

[Spurzone]

davids is old!!!
zokora is quite good.
I prefer yaya touré!!!
We should have signed yaya!!!

[Lillywhite]

Davids should not be a starter.

Zokora should be given a run of games, during which he'll shit in the doubters' mouths and make them cry like little girls with his sheer ********ing brilliance.

Oh and, Jol better quit all the Sven shit. Jenas at RB? Behave yourself you silly Dutch bastard.

[Danners9]

davids is old!!!
zokora is quite good.
I prefer yaya touré!!!
We should have signed yaya!!!

Kinda like watching autism, isn't it ;)

[Lillywhite]

Kinda like watching autism, isn't it ;)

Honestly. Who is responsible for this? I go away for a while and come back to see the place overrun with halfwits and this Spurzone twunt too.

[PoshSpur]

davids is old!!!
zokora is quite good.
I prefer yaya touré!!!
We should have signed yaya!!!


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