Poor Poor Owen.

[patface]

I had the pleasure of seeing Owen play one of his last games as a Red at Giants stadium against Roma. He scored a great goal and had tons of supporters in the crowd.

He leaves the Reds to sit on the bench in spain but proves he was worth every penny. I believe while we was there he scored in almost (something like 10 of 14) games he was subbed into. That is VERY impressive.

Then, all of a sudden he's miserable once Robinho is brought in. He is bumped down to the reserve squad. Ok, so no Prem teams are really intrested except Newcastle.

He joins New Castle and has a medicore start... and then... breaks his toe, makes it in time for the World Cup but doesnt do a thing... except injure himself so bad that he is out for the 06-07 season.

Well, Newcastle signs Martins who is a great striker to replace him. Once owen starts recovering... i see him sitting on the bench again.

His move to Madrid basically cause a string of events, which leads me to say... that his Career is OVER.

It's sad.. but true.

Discuss.

[sinner78]

Then, all of a sudden he's miserable once Robinho is brought in. He is bumped down to the reserve squad.

No he didnt get bumped down to the reserve team. What a load of garbage .
In Spain they have B and C teams that still operate within the professional league .He didnt get sent to Madrid B .
he was still very much a part of the first team but faced the possibility of being 4th choice behind ronaldo ,raul and robinho.
In a world cup year it seems he couldnt really risk a whole year as 4th choice .


Ok, so no Prem teams are really intrested except Newcastle.

Liverpool wanted him and so did afew other teams .But newcastle were the ones willing to go as high as 15 million and thus beat off any competition.
I believe he even had a clause in his contract that would have allowed him to rejoin liverpool for a lower price this summer .


He joins New Castle and has a medicore start... and then... breaks his toe, makes it in time for the World Cup but doesnt do a thing... except injure himself so bad that he is out for the 06-07 season.

He actually broke his foot ,not his toe .A fairly minor injury that should have healed after 6 weeks .But this process was botched up by either the surgeon or the medical staff at newcastle .and this injury lasted about 5 months .Which was ridiculous .At the world cup he was never fully fit or in form because he only played about 3 games in the last 6 months prior to the cup.


Well, Newcastle signs Martins who is a great striker to replace him. Once owen starts recovering... i see him sitting on the bench again.

oh really?? newcastle arent deep with strikers .He and martins will most likely form a partnership if he returns .I cant see their other strikers holding him out .especially seeing as they made a 15 million investment with him .

Who can possibly predict if martins will be a bust or not? you dont have a clue how he will pan out .



His move to Madrid basically cause a string of events, which leads me to say... that his Career is OVER.



Joining madrid was good for him .He got too desperate in the world cup season and made a hasty move to the wrong club .Playing for graeme souness at newcastle ruined his last season .He should never have joined newcastle and waited it out at madrid .
He got desperate after sven goran muppet commented in the press that he might not get picked for the world cup if he didnt play regularly.
Joined the wrong team at the wrong time.

He needs to recover from his unfortunate injury and join a new team.
He will be back next season I believe .He aint done yet .not a chance.

[mshankb]

He's 26.

[mshankb]

That was to patface, not you sinner.

[musicl]

Its all Sven's fault. Everything is.

[Prenn]

He's 26.

He'll be 27 by the time he plays again and even slower.

He's got great positioning sense but with the way his pace has been declining over the last few years, and this current injury, there will come a time soon when he'll no longer be an effective player.

I make no secret of the fact that I don't think he's been a truly effective international player for a long time. However we have a problem in this country in that we don't let other strikers have more than 45 minutes before disgarding them.

[Kaynem]

Once he comes back he wont get into the Newcastle team?!

Who do you think Newcastle are?

[Prenn]

Once he comes back he wont get into the Newcastle team?!

Who do you think Newcastle are?

Well if Ameobi keeps playing the way he is and Martins plays the way he can then he will struggle to get in the team.

Ameobi is one of the most underrated strikers in the Prem IMO.

[glennaldo_sf]

What I find ironic is that Owen left Liverpool for Madrid so that he could win trophies... in his one year at Real, they won nothing while Liverpool walked off with the biggest prize of them all - the champions league (followed by the FA cup the year later).. now he's at Newcastly - a club that hasn't won a major trophy since 1969, the FA Cup since 1955, and the league title since 1927. :eek:

[Reignking]

What Real did w/ Owen was moronic. He'd play 20 minutes, score a goal, and still have to sit the bench. His goals per minute was insane. I had just lived in Spain -- both Barcelona and Madrid -- and wanted to pick which team to follow. I'd rather cheer for a team that doesn't just collect stars for the fun of it. I was happy to see Owen move on.

[dustcowpoke]

Even if he doesn't play at Newcaslte he will want a transfer and he will go to Villa. Where Randy Lerner is looking to spend some money. Then he will score loads of goals for Villa and make everone not a Villan sad.

[act smiley]

If Lerner opens his chequebook when he's not been told to, he'll have more to worry about than which striker to buy.

[patface]

Some of you may take the things I said and basically explained them or tried to correct me and thats fine, I always like a good discussion but when it comes down to it. Owen doesn't have much time left to step it up. I LOVE him as a player but going to Madrid was a stupid move.

I think if Liverpool had a fit owen for these past 2 years, they could have given Chelsea an run for their money!

Yes no one wanted to pay that much for owen except for New Castle but.. they obviously feel that he's not worth that much anymore.

[revelationx]

I think going to Real Madrid was not the best choice for Owen. Raul was way too infuential to be dropped and Ronaldo was also there. He would have been better off going to Barca. At Madrid he played under about 4 managers in one year! The whole organisation was a complete mess at managerial level.

I was a bit surprised (but glad) that Man Utd and Arsenal did not move for Owen. I am sure if Man U had realised that Van Nistelrooy was gonna move to Real they could have moved for Owen as a ready made replacement. At £16 million this is cheaper than Carrick! Also at Arsenal he would have been the 'fox in the box' that Wenger talked about as needing after Arsenal were destroyed by Owen in the 2001 Fa Cup Final.

He will recover from his injury and be back and score loads of goals. Count on it. People have been writing him off for about 5 years now and he has always proved them wrong.

He is only 26 and will likely go on to break Bobby Charlton's goalscoring record for England. He is a special player and will prove his value to Newcastle - although I hope he moves back to Anfield like Fowler did.

The likes of Ameobi who has scored (26 league goals) are not going to keep Owen (138 league goals) out of the side. Also on Owen's huge wages he will have to be played. There is a possibility that the new manager Roeder will not fancy Owen as a player but this is unlikely.Due to injury he has still scored more goals against Newcastle than for Newcastle!

Newcastle may not have benefited much from his transfer yet but he could be at the club for another 6 or 7 years. There is plenty of time for him to repay the club with goals.

[Meta Tarsal]

Well if Ameobi keeps playing the way he is and Martins plays the way he can then he will struggle to get in the team.

Look, I'm not the biggest Owen fan in the world. He screwed Liverpool with his move to Madrid on the eve of the transfer deadline, forcing them to accept a cut-rate price and leaving no time to find a suitable replacement.

(I mean, RM made a $12-13 million profit when they sold him to Newcastle a year later, FFS.)

But to say Owen will struggle to command a place in Newcastle side once he has fully recovered is a bit rich.

I agree Ameobi is a fine striker, but what exactly has Martins ever done to make you think he'll force Owen to the bench? Granted, they're like for like, and Martins (if he's really 21) has time and pace on his side, But his production at Inter (28 goals in 88 appearances) is hardly the stuff of legend, and Owen, for all his faults (can't beat a man with the ball, play with his back to goal or head very well), has always scored goals.

If he's healthy, he's in the team simply because he's been out so long and Roeder will have to give him a run.
If Newcastle are struggling, he's an automatic choice upon his return.

[Prenn]

But to say Owen will struggle to command a place in Newcastle side once he has fully recovered is a bit rich.


Why would he though? If Martins and Ameobi plus A. N. Other do the business it will be difficult to bring Owen back. He's just suffered an injury which in this day and age is still career threatening. We may not see him back again for 12 months by which time he'll be nearly 28. This injury will take it's toll; he won't be able to turn as quickly, run so fast or jump so high. Even though Owen has great positional sense it may be the straw that broke the camel's back.

IMHO he'll be another Robbie Fowler.

[Alan_V]

Why would he though? If Martins and Ameobi plus A. N. Other do the business it will be difficult to bring Owen back. He's just suffered an injury which in this day and age is still career threatening. We may not see him back again for 12 months by which time he'll be nearly 28. This injury will take it's toll; he won't be able to turn as quickly, run so fast or jump so high. Even though Owen has great positional sense it may be the straw that broke the camel's back.

IMHO he'll be another Robbie Fowler.

Or he could be another Sjolskaer.

[chrizzah]

Or he could be another Sjolskaer.

Are you saying he will spend season after season barely playing or are you trying to claim that Sjolskaer has made a successful comeback?

I was actually talking to one of my neighbors about this the other night and I think that Michael Owens' career is toast. He will continue to play well enough when he is injury free, but he will rarely be injury free.

I personally wonder if playing so much at such a high level from such a young has left his body more worn than your averager player.

[Prenn]

Or he could be another Sjolskaer.

:eek: 1 goal in three years? Constant injuries?

If Newcastle fans aren't depressed after reading my post they sure are now!

[Alan_V]

I was referring to never giving up and coming back to make a contribution, and push on from there. I'm a glass half full kind of guy.