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simon99
16 Aug 2006, 02:30 PM
Thanks for the quality replies, boys. Cuddles, your contribution is really in a class by themselves - immeasureable.

What about your quality reply in the MOACA thread referring to Stephen Hart as an HS coach but ignoring the fact that the CSA has invited 2 "unconnected" players to a recent camp in your comment about the canadian kid at Borussia M.?

About this very topic, I'm at peace with the OH story, by his play at the WC he fully deserves a place in a club like Man U if that's where he wants to play. Even if it hurts to see him doing well and thinking about what he could've done for Canada (add DeGuzman and I'm totally depress) I feel like it's time to move on and hope that we'll have a canadian future star wearing the Canadian jersey soon.

CanuckFan
16 Aug 2006, 03:04 PM
What about your quality reply in the MOACA thread referring to Stephen Hart as an HS coach but ignoring the fact that the CSA has invited 2 "unconnected" players to a recent camp in your comment about the canadian kid at Borussia M.?
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And what should I reply to?
Stephen Hart is not qualified to coach a MNT IMO.

Stewart was born and bred in the USA, and true he certainly did not come up through the Cdn youth teams/NTCs. Looks like another example of FY scouring the MLS for yanks who have had a cup of coffee north of the 49th.
Don't know anything about the other young player.

Rrustemi was born and raised in Canada, manages to move as a teen from the CPSL to eventually earn a job with Borussia Moenchengladbach. I thought he was of Iranian descent but I think now he is an Albanian-Cdn. Anyway, he is a total outsider to the CSA so a call-up would be a surprise.

simon99
16 Aug 2006, 03:17 PM
And what should I reply to?
Stephen Hart is not qualified to coach a MNT IMO.

Stewart was born and bred in the USA, and true he certainly did not come up through the Cdn youth teams/NTCs. Looks like another example of FY scouring the MLS for yanks who have had a cup of coffee north of the 49th.
Don't know anything about the other young player.

Rrustemi was born and raised in Canada, manages to move as a teen from the CPSL to eventually earn a job with Borussia Moenchengladbach. I thought he was of Iranian descent but I think now he is an Albanian-Cdn. Anyway, he is a total outsider to the CSA so a call-up would be a surprise.

He's an interim coach......why do you take a shot at an interim coach for not being qualified enough??? I've rarely seen a fully qualified interim coach, and you have to look into your program for an interim, you wont go after a Dutch/German interim coach.........

And with an interim coach you can't expect major change in the roster, statu quo is the norm with a few exceptions.

I don't know where the kid is playing, but I feel like we have a lot of depth (I mean competent players playing in at least a country second league) at every positions except defense.

I'm not saying he isn't good enough, just not sure that we should call it a tragedy yet because he hasn't been call.

CanuckFan
16 Aug 2006, 03:25 PM
He's an interim coach......why do you take a shot at an interim coach for not being qualified enough??? I've rarely seen a fully qualified interim coach, and you have to look into your program for an interim, you wont go after a Dutch/German interim coach.........

And with an interim coach you can't expect major change in the roster, statu quo is the norm with a few exceptions.

I don't know where the kid is playing, but I feel like we have a lot of depth (I mean competent players playing in at least a country second league) at every positions except defense.

I'm not saying he isn't good enough, just not sure that we should call it a tragedy yet because he hasn't been call.

What soccer data have you been immersing yourself in?
Can you possibly come up with a name of a MNT coach anywhere in the world with LESS qualifications than Hart. I don't care if he is interim, short-term, long-term whatever. He is totally unqualified and it is really quite embarrassing to talk about him being in the position he is in.
Where did I imply that not calling Rrustemi is a tragedy? Get real, I'm just saying he probably deserves a look, especially as we lack depth at central d.

Could we get back on the thread topic?

Gordon
17 Aug 2006, 03:10 PM
Split off from another thread at the request of one of the posters.

jpg75
17 Aug 2006, 03:21 PM
Q: Is Hart Qualified to Manage Canada?

A: No.

simon99
17 Aug 2006, 03:54 PM
What soccer data have you been immersing yourself in?
Can you possibly come up with a name of a MNT coach anywhere in the world with LESS qualifications than Hart. I don't care if he is interim, short-term, long-term whatever. He is totally unqualified and it is really quite embarrassing to talk about him being in the position he is in.
Where did I imply that not calling Rrustemi is a tragedy? Get real, I'm just saying he probably deserves a look, especially as we lack depth at central d.



Hart was an assistant coach of Yallop and knows the players well and has coach our U-17 NT in 2 CONCACAF qualifying tournament. I know that's not like he has an impressive resumé but for an interim coach it makes sense since he was an assistant of the former coach. What would be the point of bringing a total stranger for 5 months and having another coach hired after the interim left?

I'm not sure Hart is fully qualified for this job and that's why he's an interim coach but I think he's a logic choice base on his presence with the team lately. From what I've heard Hart is more of a good youth coach who can find talent and work well with young players than a Senior MNT coach.

Saying that Rrustemi deserves a look might sound fair, but saying that he'll be ignore because of the CSA politics is just ignoring the facts that we have some players in the current MNT players pool who weren't in our youth NT but made it to the MNT despite not being involve with the CSA before.

CanuckFan
17 Aug 2006, 06:29 PM
Hart was an assistant coach of Yallop and knows the players well and has coach our U-17 NT in 2 CONCACAF qualifying tournament. I know that's not like he has an impressive resumé but for an interim coach it makes sense since he was an assistant of the former coach. What would be the point of bringing a total stranger for 5 months and having another coach hired after the interim left?

I'm not sure Hart is fully qualified for this job and that's why he's an interim coach but I think he's a logic choice base on his presence with the team lately. From what I've heard Hart is more of a good youth coach who can find talent and work well with young players than a Senior MNT coach.

Saying that Rrustemi deserves a look might sound fair, but saying that he'll be ignore because of the CSA politics is just ignoring the facts that we have some players in the current MNT players pool who weren't in our youth NT but made it to the MNT despite not being involve with the CSA before.

Colin Miller would be a better INTERIM coach - at least he's played the game as a pro in Europe, represented Canada, used to CONCACAF opposition, etc etc (all the things that Yallop brought to the table). Yallop did not get much respect from the Euro-based players; Hart is doomed in that regard. Why do you keep trotting out that he's only an interim coach. He IS the coach of Canada's MNT until they name somebody else. I want that job handled by someone with more qualifications than running a NTC in Halifax and playing as an amateur in T&T. I am sure Mr Hart is a very nice fellow and does a good job with the U17's but I just do not for one minute see how he will help our MNT.
The program is in shambles and it's not going to get better until the CSA makes some moves.

torontosports
17 Aug 2006, 10:44 PM
My thoughts exactly, he is unfit to coach Canada. We need better and the CSA must go out and make a splash to get someone great as our Tech Dir, Dir of Comm and our HC have all left within 3 months, we are being embarrassed and trust me people overseas know it as well.

Q: Is Hart Qualified to Manage Canada?

A: No.

simon99
17 Aug 2006, 10:55 PM
Colin Miller would be a better INTERIM coach - at least he's played the game as a pro in Europe, represented Canada, used to CONCACAF opposition, etc etc (all the things that Yallop brought to the table). Yallop did not get much respect from the Euro-based players; Hart is doomed in that regard. Why do you keep trotting out that he's only an interim coach. He IS the coach of Canada's MNT until they name somebody else. I want that job handled by someone with more qualifications than running a NTC in Halifax and playing as an amateur in T&T. I am sure Mr Hart is a very nice fellow and does a good job with the U17's but I just do not for one minute see how he will help our MNT.
The program is in shambles and it's not going to get better until the CSA makes some moves.

You seem to forget that Hart has been an assistant coach to FY since January 2005 (he only missed 2 games due to conflict with his U-17's) and had the chance to work with the players during different camps. That does count in his resumé.

Miller hasn't been with the program for a while now (since 2003) and It could be argue that it's better to have a coach with a certain knowledge of the players we have to make the transition easier with the new coach. BTW do you have any indication that Miller wasn't approach by the CSA for this job(maybe being an interim twice in a row wasn't an interesting offer for Miller)?

I keep talking about him being the interim because if I was working at the CSA and looking for someone to have the job for a few months I would look for someone who's been involve in the program with the former regime if possible, that means Mitchell or Hart. It would be easier during the transition if the players are working with a familiar figure for that period.

Of course playing experience is valuable for any coach but I can name you a few coaches in different sports who didn't even played pro but became pro coaches and had a lot of success.

I'm not saying that Hart will definitely become that kind coach but talking about him being an embarrassement is pure exageration.

cuddles24
22 Aug 2006, 02:48 PM
He is only an interim coach but the fact he was an assistant coach for a period of time means he is ready to be a head coach. In all team sports somebody who is the assistant coach is being groomed to eventualy be the head coach anyway.

jpg75
22 Aug 2006, 03:15 PM
The only good thing about his selection is the possible return of Lars to the fold. Hart is good friends with fellow Trini ex-pat Stephen Ames, who apparently is a big fan of Lars from his Calgary Storm days in the PDL.