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Matrim55
15 Aug 2006, 01:04 PM
Well, Makelele is hurt. He's their lynchpin, one of the three or four best d-mids in the world, and borderline irreplaceable. Cech being out is a problem as well. Same with the incredibly underrated Joe Cole. But there's something more than injuries at work here. There's the fact that Chelsea don't look particularly like a football club so much as a collection of weekend warriors.

What's astonishing about that is that hey have one of the best collections of talent in the world, second behind only Barcelona in my mind. On sheer talent alone they should be running roughshod over the competition, but the air went out of the balloon after last season's loss to Barca in the CL quarters, and Chelsea haven't been the same since. In fact, they look pretty damn beatable.

When Jose Mourinho came aboard his mantra was "By my third season we won't need to buy new players; we'll have acquired everyone we need by then." Yet Duff and Gudjonsen are out, with Schevchenko, Ballack and Diarra in. And the price they pay for that is cohesion, and I think it's a higher price than Mourinho originially recognized simply because of this: Frank Lampard can not function at a high level unless surrounded by players he knows well and in a role that is clearly, succinctly defined. And if Lampard can't function, then Chelsea can't. The massive turnover every year has robbed Lampard of his confidence and, in large measure, his greatness. He looks lost. And when the focal point of your offense looks lost, your team is in trouble.

I don't know if Lampard can recover his form, not because he's not capable of it, but because Mourinho is not capable of settling on a first-team and leaving well enough alone. It will be mitigated somewhat by Schevchenko's arrival, meaning that Chelsea won't be as reliant on Lampard's scoring from midfield as they were the past two years, but that's not going to make them a complete team.

In my mind, this season is Mourinho's to save or ruin. If he gets his team in order, they should win the Premiership going away and make it to the finals of the Champions' League. If he doesn't, Chelsea will be in a dogfight in the league and suffer another early exit in Europe.

SoCalian
15 Aug 2006, 01:45 PM
agreed. In fact, I'm picking Liverpool to win this year.

blkbrnrvr
15 Aug 2006, 01:49 PM
Given the way Chelsea are looking at this point, I'm glad we're playing them very early this season.

nicephoras
15 Aug 2006, 01:51 PM
Diarra was bought 2 seasons ago, and Mourinho uses a pretty settled side most of the time. These were preseason friendlies. Once players are fit and more used to each other judging Chelsea's progress will be worthwhile. Until then, its all rather moot.

SoCalian
15 Aug 2006, 01:56 PM
Given the way Chelsea are looking at this point, I'm glad we're playing them very early this season.are we? I haven't looked at the schedule yet.

blkbrnrvr
15 Aug 2006, 01:57 PM
are we? I haven't looked at the schedule yet.
second game.

Matrim55
15 Aug 2006, 02:01 PM
Diarra was bought 2 seasons ago, and Mourinho uses a pretty settled side most of the time. These were preseason friendlies. Once players are fit and more used to each other judging Chelsea's progress will be worthwhile. Until then, its all rather moot.
Good point about Diarra - I dropped the ball on that one.

As for this just being about the friendlies, you dropped the ball. Chelsea were a thundering juggernaut for about 18 months before the Barcelona loss. The past six months they've been far from, as I said in the OP.

I don't know if I'm ready to bet against them for the Premiership, but at the moment your Blues are pointed in the wrong direction.

Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10
15 Aug 2006, 02:13 PM
Good point about Diarra - I dropped the ball on that one.

As for this just being about the friendlies, you dropped the ball. Chelsea were a thundering juggernaut for about 18 months before the Barcelona loss. The past six months they've been far from, as I said in the OP.

I don't know if I'm ready to bet against them for the Premiership, but at the moment your Blues are pointed in the wrong direction.

well said they looked like a joke defending in the CS

AmericanMug
15 Aug 2006, 02:29 PM
Chelsea are still likely to run away with the title because of sheer quality and getting the tough earned away results they seemed to carve out last year.

It may be hard for them to keep such a strong group of midfeilders and strikers on the bench for long stretches however.

Also, i always thought Eider G was underrated. He was quality!

ETucker
15 Aug 2006, 03:03 PM
If Ballack is healthy he is considerably better than Lampard in all respects: vision, passing, shooting. He and Makelele or Diarra could form a fantastic partnership in a 4-4-2.

Shevchenko is a major upgrade over Crespo, assuming he stays healthy.

However, your point about cohesion is well taken. Plus, factor in that this is a World Cup year and thus they have less training as a team and Chelsea could have some early season troubles.

I also think that Shevchenko and Ballack will 1) have trouble adjusting to the premiership (and its tackling), and 2) are old, and will be bogged down by injuries (magnifiying #1).

I think this year their "galactico strategy" could net them the Champion's League, but they could have serious problems in the Premiership.

nicephoras
15 Aug 2006, 03:07 PM
Good point about Diarra - I dropped the ball on that one.

As for this just being about the friendlies, you dropped the ball. Chelsea were a thundering juggernaut for about 18 months before the Barcelona loss. The past six months they've been far from, as I said in the OP.

We won the league at a canter (with minimal effort in the second half of the season) and beat ManUtd 3-0. What is it that you wanted Chelsea to do, exactly, considering the league was effectively won by January?
How were Chelsea any more of a juggernaut while losing to Liverpool by, again, one goal in the CL the year before?

nicephoras
15 Aug 2006, 03:09 PM
well said they looked like a joke defending in the CS

Says the fan of the side that lost to a South African club in the preseason. It was a preseason match. It doesn't really matter.

KevTheGooner
15 Aug 2006, 04:06 PM
Not one ball has been kicked in anger yet and people are saying Chelsea are off form??? :rolleyes:

Principal Firebush
15 Aug 2006, 04:43 PM
Seems like wishful thinking. Chelsea will be at the top of the premiership at the end, the question is by how much?

FlanInTheFace
15 Aug 2006, 06:33 PM
theres nothing wrong with Chelsea.
the pre-season games dont matter, and they didnt even have their full strength line up anyway.

they'll be back

leg_breaker
16 Aug 2006, 03:31 AM
They're pre-season friendlies. Although Chelsea do often look in trouble in Europe, maybe it's a psychological thing. They can trash Liverpool in the league for fun, but haven't scored against them in FOUR champions league games. They looked a complete mess against Barca and Betis.

Bushwhacker
16 Aug 2006, 01:56 PM
Hi dudes. A newbie here. :cool:


Now where do I start, with what's wrong with Chelsea. How about Denis Wise to begin with? :D

jerrito
16 Aug 2006, 02:03 PM
Diarra was bought 2 seasons ago, and Mourinho uses a pretty settled side most of the time. These were preseason friendlies. Once players are fit and more used to each other judging Chelsea's progress will be worthwhile. Until then, its all rather moot.


I'm with you. I guess because of the money RA spends the expectations are ridiculously high. But people, it's still August!

;)

Bushwhacker
16 Aug 2006, 02:05 PM
Ermm hello? :confused:

Bushwhacker
16 Aug 2006, 02:14 PM
Nice welcome. lol


Chelsea are the scum of the world. But a little bit better than Oldham. They are beyond the joke and nothing short of a mild terorism attack at Stamford Bridge will suffice. :D


I've only gawn and said it! *nods in agreement with self