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Dark Savante
10 Aug 2006, 01:21 PM
Fergie hails starlet Evans
Stuart Brennan


JONNY Evans can return from his season's loan with Royal Antwerp and start to push for a first-team place at Old Trafford.

That was the belief of Reds boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is convinced the teenage centre-half can be the latest in an illustrious line of Ulstermen to play for the Reds - from Jackie Blanchflower through George Best to Sammy McIlroy and Norman Whiteside.

Ferguson also has high hopes for Eccles lad Danny Simpson and midfielder Lee Martin who, like Evans, have made a big impression during high-profile games in pre-season.


Belfast-born Evans, who is 18, has caught the eye most, scoring in a friendly at Celtic and looking mature and sharp in the South Africa tour and last weekend's Amsterdam Tournament. Now he is to head off for a year at United's associate club Royal Antwerp in the Belgian second division.

Ferguson, normally cautious in his praise of up-and-coming talents, said: "Jonny has been here since he was 12 years of age. We have an academy in Belfast which has produced some terrific young players for us, and the scouting system in that part of the country has been very, very good to us.

"Jonny has wonderful composure, temperament, balance and stature and in a year's time he will be absolutely outstanding.

"I think he will play for Northern Ireland in the next year and a half, even though he is only 18. And I am 100 per cent certain he will be a Manchester United player."

Simpson is a year older than Evans, but there is already talk within Old Trafford that he will challenge fellow Salfordian Phil Bardsley for the right to be Gary Neville's natural successor at right back.

Ferguson, speaking at the launch of the Manchester United Premier Cup this week, said: "Danny is a local boy from Salford which has been a great breeding-ground for us over the past few decades. Danny has the potential to be an outstanding player. For a young boy he is a natural defender, with great speed. Our plan is to farm him out to Royal Antwerp along with Jonny."

Martin is a different case - he already had first-team experience with Wimbledon as a 16-year-old before joining United for an initial fee of £200,000 which could rise to £1m depending on his success. Last season he made his United first-team debut in the Carling Cup tie with Barnet.

Now 19, the Somerset lad usually plays up and down the left flank, and is also expected to go out on loan next week, with Rangers first in the queue to sign him.

"We signed Lee from Wimbledon two years ago, and he cost us some money, but we are now seeing why he cost us money.

"He came here for the final year of his schooling and then went into our academy. He will be farmed out this week to another club for six months to give him experience."

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/manchesterunited/s/220/220366_fergie_hails_starlet_evans.html

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I posted this earlier today in my review thread. It got lost rather quickly in some unrelated shennanigans. If a mod feels this thread premature, I'm sure it'll be moved to the appropriate thread. Just thought it would be nice for people to read specifically about the kids Fergie rates directly. It is very rare indeed for him to say things about reserves one year before he expects to get them it his set-up. It suggests to me that he thinks Evans and Simpson are going to become greats here. I don't use the term lightly. I think the last player he praised way before time was Paul Scholes. :eek:

I see J.Evans threads everywhere but here so I thought mebbe we can celebrate the boy having a first class pre-season as well.

I said in his reviews I don't know what level he is at and that still remains even after a full pre-season with a 1st xi CB next to him. Not once did Evans even look like the inferior CB in the pairings. I'm sure I don't need to tell you how rare that is. Rossi is the reserve prodigy, the golden boy, but even he has looked a little unready for us at times this pre-season - and he's on the verge of breaking into the 1st squad! Evans, I feel, would even be staying here as part of the squad if it wasn't vital for him to get some more experience this season away on loans.

If he continues to improve at the rate he has shown he could well be recalled to the 1st team in the Winter window...Antwerp are going to have some seriously determined kids there this seaosn. Gibson, Simpson and Evans must have an idea of how close they are to breaking the set-up. I have said all along; give Simpson a year or two and he is going to take G.N's position and Bardsley will be the understudy.... Wes and/or Nemanja might have to watch their backs sooner than expected as well... ;)

Howard Zinn
10 Aug 2006, 01:50 PM
Would a Rio-Evans combination work? It seems like each would do their best work when they have more of a grunt type next to them.

Vermont Red
10 Aug 2006, 01:50 PM
Johnny Evans praised publically by Fergie. Pique sent on loan to Spain. Am I the only one who thinks that Pique is going to be sold next summer?

johno
10 Aug 2006, 01:58 PM
Pique is so skilled on the ball he could ply his trade in any number of positions. He could play RB, LB or even CM or DM. Pique's passing is absolutely phenomenal.

Hell, if Evans proves to be the truth and Vidic and Brown are playing well and Pique is looking good we could flog Rio off to Milan or Real for 30M.

Dark Savante
10 Aug 2006, 02:00 PM
Would a Rio-Evans combination work? It seems like each would do their best work when they have more of a grunt type next to them.
Evans can pair with any CB we have in the 1st team set-up. I would have no problem with him being our 4th choice CB this term over Silverstre or O'Shea.

VR. Pique is a big talent, I hope he's not being readied for sale in light of Evans' arrival on the scene. Pique is flexible(CB, DM, RB) so there should be use for him even if it were utility. I'd love for him to take that gig off O'Shea actually.

Dark Savante
10 Aug 2006, 02:02 PM
Hell, if Evans proves to be the truth and Vidic and Brown are playing well and Pique is looking good we could flog Rio off to Milan or Real for 30M.
Sadly, I bet that hasn't escaped The Glazer's either... :( barring injury Evans is going to make here, he has the 'it' you can't put your finger on but can detect within minutes of watching him play.

Vermont Red
10 Aug 2006, 02:03 PM
VR. Pique is a big talent, I hope he's not being readied for sale in light of Evans' arrival on the scene. Pique is flexible(CB, DM, RB) so there should be use for him even if it were utility. I'd love for him to take that gig off O'Shea actually.

I have no doubt about Pique's talent, but I wonder about the loan to Spain. Maybe Pique is homesick and Fergie thinks a season in Spain is what he needs right now. This is what I hope. But I just can't shake that feeling that Pique isn't going to be here. Is there any reason why Pique couldn't have done the O'Shea role this season?

Howard Zinn
10 Aug 2006, 02:05 PM
Hell, if Evans proves to be the truth and Vidic and Brown are playing well and Pique is looking good we could flog Rio off to Milan or Real for 30M.


Whoahhh, slow your horses johno. I've been extremely impressed by Evans in the pre-season too, but don't go talking about selling the most talented centre-half in the world for a 19 year old kid that hasn't played an EPL match yet.

SirManchester
10 Aug 2006, 02:06 PM
If Pique likes Spain, he may come back even more homesick.

Dark Savante
10 Aug 2006, 02:07 PM
I have no doubt about Pique's talent, but I wonder about the loan to Spain. Maybe Pique is homesick and Fergie thinks a season in Spain is what he needs right now. This is what I hope. But I just can't shake that feeling that Pique isn't going to be here. Is there any reason why Pique couldn't have done the O'Shea role this season?
Experience. Fergie said a few months back that he cannot give defensive players their shot without experience. Where as with mids and forwards you can put them on, raw, and allow for mistakes and for them to feel their way in to their role. Defenders aren't afforded that privilege. O'Shea had a phenomenal time in Belgium before coming back and being a monster for a season...then he swallowed the red pill... :rolleyes: I can't remember Wes's path, but generally defenders will be loaned out even if they appear ready, for that all-important experience.

Vermont Red
10 Aug 2006, 02:08 PM
DS: This isn't exactly the right place for this but its been on my mind. When the reserve team won four of five trophies two seasons ago, who were the main players? I remember that D. Jones and Rossi were there, and we know where they are now, but I don't remember who else was on that team. I believe that Evans, Gibson and Simpson were behind the guys on that team.

My point is this: It looks like we have two excellent classes of reserves coming through. First: D. Jones, Rossi, Pique, Bardsley and with Blake already dropping out. Second: Evans, Gibson, Simpson, Campbell. Does this make sense?

Dark Savante
10 Aug 2006, 02:17 PM
DS: This isn't exactly the right place for this but its been on my mind. When the reserve team won four of five trophies two seasons ago, who were the main players? I remember that D. Jones and Rossi were there, and we know where they are now, but I don't remember who else was on that team. I believe that Evans, Gibson and Simpson were behind the guys on that team.

My point is this: It looks like we have two excellent classes of reserves coming through. First: D. Jones, Rossi, Pique, Bardsley and with Blake already dropping out. Second: Evans, Gibson, Simpson, Campbell. Does this make sense?
erm... let me think.
Yes, along the way the numbers dwindle. Injuries, stagnation or reaching a performance peak that is not good enough for us will remove players along the way. Campbell, as brilliant as he is, is the one I'm concerned about. Like Rossi, he simply has to be phenomenal season after season to get on here. He can;t have 'good games' he has to have mainly great games..games where he scores or assists every time he plays. After Blakes injury he was never the same player and he was promptly removed for it, if he had've been a mid or another position he would probably still be here.. but a defunct striker at reserve or on loan basically gets no more chances..


This was the team 2yrs ago

-------McShane---Pique
Bardsley---------------Spector
--------Fox---D.Jones
Neumayr---------------Martin
--------------Rossi
---------Blake

Vermont Red
10 Aug 2006, 02:28 PM
This was the team 2yrs ago

-------McShane---Pique
Bardsley---------------Spector
--------Fox---D.Jones
Neumayr---------------Martin
--------------Rossi
---------Blake

They must have been good, playing with no keeper.;)

So from that team, Blake, Spector and Neumayr are gone. McShane will likely not make it and I don't know where Fox is. It's still an excellent return if Pique and Martin make it in addition to Bardsley, Rossi and Jones. And to think there's more behind them. The future's so bright ...:cool:

Dark Savante
10 Aug 2006, 02:33 PM
They must have been good, playing with no keeper.;)

So from that team, Blake, Spector and Neumayr are gone. McShane will likely not make it and I don't know where Fox is. It's still an excellent return if Pique and Martin make it in addition to Bardsley, Rossi and Jones. And to think there's more behind them. The future's so bright ...:cool:
The next wave intrigue me (I can't recall the keeper from 2yrs ago :p ) Cory Evans, Jonny's brother, is getting a lot of praise as is Craig Cathcart. To be honest, these kids are going to have to be phenomenal because I truly believe we've got our glut from the reserves for a good 4yrs or more in the wave coming up now and next season.

So I am curious to see how they all do. I go into this upcoming reserve season skeptical any of them can match what has come up these past two years. I believe Simpson is simply going to take the RB from Gaz via Gaz's age and Simpson's ability and I think Gibson and Evans are going to take their spots at the expense of others as well. So I can't see how these new kids are even going to break the stand-ins for the periphery of the 1st squad.

SirManchester
10 Aug 2006, 02:39 PM
From what I recall from your [wonderful] reviews, Neumayr did quite well. he garnered Beckham comparisons and was one of the more talented players in the reserves. Why was he given away?

thinkofaname
10 Aug 2006, 02:40 PM
with Neville seming to pick up a lot of injuries, he could be getting replaced next season as regular starter if simpson or bardlsey can step up when neville is out

Dark Savante
10 Aug 2006, 02:40 PM
From what I recall from your [wonderful] reviews, Neumayr did quite well. he garnered Beckham comparisons and was one of the more talented players in the reserves. Why was he given away?
Because he is still built like a 15yr old. Has no pace or strength and would get mauled in the PL. What division are Duisberg in? I would love to catch his games in Germany.

SirManchester
10 Aug 2006, 02:43 PM
Because he is still built like a 15yr old. Has no pace or strength and would get mauled in the PL. What division are Duisberg in? I would love to catch his games in Germany.

Duisburg got relegated to the 2.Bundesliga. I surely thought United would hang on to him until he's maybe 18 or 19.

littleman
10 Aug 2006, 02:43 PM
The next wave intrigue me (I can't recall the keeper from 2yrs ago :p ) Cory Evans, Jonny's brother, is getting a lot of praise as is Craig Cathcart. To be honest, these kids are going to have to be phenomenal because I truly believe we've got our glut from the reserves for a good 4yrs or more in the wave coming up now and next season.


What about Rooney's brother, who is a middie?

Cevno
10 Aug 2006, 02:45 PM
They must have been good, playing with no keeper.;)

So from that team, Blake, Spector and Neumayr are gone. McShane will likely not make it and I don't know where Fox is. It's still an excellent return if Pique and Martin make it in addition to Bardsley, Rossi and Jones. And to think there's more behind them. The future's so bright ...:cool:
Mcshane is already gone to west brom on a permanent.If pique and evans have good next two seasons.i can see rio being sold two years from now for a ridiculous fee.:D