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liverbird
10 Aug 2006, 10:24 AM
In a shocking development, McClaren picks John Terry as England's captain.:rolleyes: I hope this really motivates SG this year.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1841802,00.html

I love the weaselly vice-captain routine.

Teso Dos Bichos
10 Aug 2006, 10:26 AM
So Terry gets made captain despite never impressing for England and having a poor WC? :eek: :rolleyes:

liverbird
10 Aug 2006, 10:28 AM
So Terry gets made captain despite never impressing for England and having a poor WC? :eek: :rolleyes:

Exactly.

revelationx
10 Aug 2006, 10:38 AM
While I can understand the disappointment from Liverpool fans that Stevie G did not get the captaincy I also accept that JT was also a very good choice.

JT has all the attributes of a good leader - both him and Stevie G would have been excellent choices. England are fortunate to have two such outstanding leaders.

England will be well served by having JT as Captain. As an England fan I recognise the immense leadership qualities that Terry will bring to the role. I hope that he proves to have a successful captaincy and I will be supporting him in that role.

Red Bird
10 Aug 2006, 10:44 AM
I'm sorry for Gerrard as he obviously wanted it. Never set much store by this national captain malarkey, m'self. Better to be cheered on by hundreds of thousands Liverpool supporters than have the tabloids and their illiterate readers blame you for each and every England ill (and they will be many).

Now let's go get number 19, Stevie boy.

nicephoras
10 Aug 2006, 10:56 AM
You're all missing the big picture here. Gary Neville not being made captain makes England a winner on the day either way.

liverbird
10 Aug 2006, 11:04 AM
While I can understand the disappointment from Liverpool fans that Stevie G did not get the captaincy I also accept that JT was also a very good choice.

JT has all the attributes of a good leader - both him and Stevie G would have been excellent choices. England are fortunate to have two such outstanding leaders.

England will be well served by having JT as Captain. As an England fan I recognise the immense leadership qualities that Terry will bring to the role. I hope that he proves to have a successful captaincy and I will be supporting him in that role.

I'm not an England supporter but the "immense leadership qualities" of Mr. Terry have never been obvious to me. He seems a pleasant, if slightly dim, lad who is a decent center half. He has benefitted in the public mind by the success of Chelski in recent years. This is much the same as to how Beckham got to be captain(speaking of pleasant and dim). Imagine Terry as captain if Abramovic had bought Spurs instead. It would be problematic whether Terry would even be in the England squad.

revelationx
10 Aug 2006, 11:04 AM
You're all missing the big picture here. Gary Neville not being made captain makes England a winner on the day either way.

Exactly - either Stevie G or JT would have been a good choice and accepted as such by most England fans - Rio or the Neviller would have been very different.

And of course it could have been Walcott!

liverbird
10 Aug 2006, 11:04 AM
You're all missing the big picture here. Gary Neville not being made captain makes England a winner on the day either way.

On this we can certainly agree:D

Eertamai
10 Aug 2006, 11:11 AM
While I can understand the disappointment from Liverpool fans that Stevie G did not get the captaincy I also accept that JT was also a very good choice.

JT has all the attributes of a good leader - both him and Stevie G would have been excellent choices. England are fortunate to have two such outstanding leaders.

England will be well served by having JT as Captain. As an England fan I recognise the immense leadership qualities that Terry will bring to the role. I hope that he proves to have a successful captaincy and I will be supporting him in that role.
This sums it up. It would have been great if Gerrard was captain, but thinking without club bias, Terry is the right choice.

revelationx
10 Aug 2006, 11:20 AM
I'm not an England supporter but the "immense leadership qualities" of Mr. Terry have never been obvious to me. He seems a pleasant, if slightly dim, lad who is a decent center half. He has benefitted in the public mind by the success of Chelski in recent years. This is much the same as to how Beckham got to be captain. Imagine Terry as captain if Abramovic had bought Spurs instead. It would be problematic whether Terry would even be in the England squad.

Trust me, in England mostly everyone is aware that both Terry and Gerrard (and other players) have natural leadership qualities. Roy Keane had it, Bryan Robson, Tony Adams also had it.

The likes of Lampard, J Cole, Crouch and Campbell are not really known for their leadership qualities like the players listed in the previous paragraph. That's not really a criticism but more a consequence of personality and bearing.

That's why most England fans expected Terry or Stevie G to get the armband and JT getting the nod is in no way controversial.

With regards to Terry in the England squad - Terry has improved immensely over the last 4 years and has shown consistency of quality defending to more than merit a starting lineup for England. He is around at a time when England is blessed with many great and very good Centre Backs. Rio, Carra, Campbell, Woodgate, King, Upson etc. Thus it has been difficult for Terry to cement a place until just a few years ago. With Campbell now out of the picture it seems likely that Rio and Terry will be first choice CB pairing for England.

liverbird
10 Aug 2006, 11:33 AM
Trust me, in England mostly everyone is aware that both Terry and Gerrard (and other players) have natural leadership qualities. Roy Keane had it, Bryan Robson, Tony Adams also had it.

The likes of Lampard, J Cole, Crouch and Campbell are not really known for their leadership qualities like the players listed in the previous paragraph. That's not really a criticism but more a consequence of personality and bearing.

That's why most England fans expected Terry or Stevie G to get the armband and JT getting the nod is in no way controversial.

With regards to Terry in the England squad - Terry has improved immensely over the last 4 years and has shown consistency of quality defending to more than merit a starting lineup for England. He is around at a time when England is blessed with many great and very good Centre Backs. Rio, Carra, Campbell, Woodgate, King, Upson etc. Thus it has been difficult for Terry to cement a place until just a few years ago. With Campbell now out of the picture it seems likely that Rio and Terry will be first choice CB pairing for England.

Um, you are kind of new here, but rest assured that while I reside in the USA the internet provides me access to as much English media as you get to read. We here in the States have access to televised matches (either live or delayed) for about 60% of the EPL games played in any given week. I realize that many in England favoured Terry for this selection. I simply don't agree. And without Abramavic's obscene spending Terry would be a average center half playing for an upper mid-table London club. You list about 6 center halves of equal or better ability (well 5 since Campbell is one of them) currently available. That was my point. He might not be selected for the team nevermind the captaincy.

Suss
10 Aug 2006, 01:05 PM
I'm not suprised either. Obviously if I was manager, I would have made Gerrard the captain. Its about time England start building their team around their best player instead of sticking him in a holding midfield role.

Its really hard to root for England when Stevie G is staying back to protect the defense while Lampard takes 40 shots without scoring...and Carragher sits on the bench.

England were completley lost under Sven. They needed a major change. So what do they do? They hire his assistant manager...

655321
10 Aug 2006, 01:15 PM
I couldn't really give a ******** less about the England NT or who the captain is. Just my two cents.

ForeverRed
10 Aug 2006, 02:54 PM
Yea, this was really a no brainer....I never thought Stevie was going to get it ahead of Terry, even though he deserves to....

Doesn't matter though, as long as Stevie is used in the right way for the NT and they start getting their shyte together.

655321
10 Aug 2006, 02:56 PM
I'm glad a Chelsea player has the distraction.

Crown Paints
10 Aug 2006, 03:04 PM
I think this sets the standard for SM's regime. John Terry is the safe option. Steady defender who does nothing spetacular, but goes about the job professionally. If he had picked stevie it would have meant probably building the team around him and having a team that played an agressive attacking game.

655321
10 Aug 2006, 03:16 PM
If he had picked stevie it would have meant probably building the team around him and having a team that played an agressive attacking game.

God forbid.

USvsIRELAND
10 Aug 2006, 03:22 PM
I couldn't really give a ******** less about the England NT or who the captain is. Just my two cents.

Finally someone with some sense!

schafer
10 Aug 2006, 08:09 PM
I'm not suprised either. Obviously if I was manager, I would have made Gerrard the captain. Its about time England start building their team around their best player instead of sticking him in a holding midfield role.




Umm, he's never played Rooney in a holding midfield role...;)