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simon99
09 Aug 2006, 05:07 PM
Kicked in the teeth

Not taking lost final lying down
By TERRY JONES -- Edmonton Sun

Allan Bolstad resigned. Quit. Told the Canadian Soccer Association to shove it up their shorts.

Bolstad was the chairman of the local organizing committee for the FIFA U-20 World Championships next year.

He took the job on the understanding Edmonton would play host to all of Canada's games and the final in Commonwealth Stadium where a sign still declares it to be Canada's National Soccer Stadium.

Bolstad and his committee believed the success of the U-19 Women's Worlds here in 2002 was the reason Canada won the rights to play host to the event in the first place.

Prior to the sold-out final at the U-19 event, FIFA boss Sepp Blatter called the inaugural event "ballistic" and one of the greatest tournament hostings ever.


POLITICS REARED UGLY HEAD

But politics, the building of a new 24,000-seat stadium in Toronto and the CSA's official reason - that they could make more money in a 24,000 seat stadium in Toronto than a 60,000 seat stadium here - landed Canada's opener and the final in the East.

Bolstad decided to make his own statement and resigned. Quietly.

He didn't call a press conference or send out a release.

In his position, most would have done the same.

In the interim, the same people who organized the FIFA U-19 Women's Worlds have put their old committee back together and appear to be putting this humpty dumpty back together, too. Yesterday they came out of the closet.

Led by new chairman Jim Fleming - Canada's only 'FIFA Order of Merit' winner - they sat your correspondent down and revealed plans which they believe will have the effect of being a massive pie in the face of the CSA.

"I guarantee we will out-draw every city for every game," said Fleming of the 24-nation, 52-game tourney which features nine games, including a semi- final, here.

"We're going to prove that Edmonton has been - and still is - the No. 1 location for big events," said the man who was president of the CSA when Canada made its only World Cup appearance in Mexico in 1986.

Mario Charpentier, president of the Edmonton Minor Soccer Association, arguably the key man to the success of the U-19 Women's Worlds, said what they are doing is for the benefit of soccer in this area, not for the CSA.

"Our goal is to fill the stands to see the best soccer we're ever going to see here, not to make money for the CSA," he said.

The idea is to fill the stands here, expose the event to as many people as possible at the lowest cost possible and prove it will still make more money than they'll make in a 24,000-seat stadium in Toronto.

"We'll fill the stadium again and people will take note of it. We're here to make a statement to the world, not just the CSA," said deputy chairman Wayne Dosman.

"I can't blame Allan Bolstad," said Fleming, just back from being a special guest of FIFA at the Germany World Cup. "A lot of people in Edmonton were bleeped off. I was disappointed.

"But at the end of the day, this is a chance of a lifetime for Canada. This is by far the biggest event we will ever host in soccer in Canada and despite the questionable judgement, this is a great event for soccer in this city.

"I believe in this city and what it has done in the past and can do in the future."

That's where Charpentier and his friends who run district soccer associations come in.

For the U-19 event, they sold all-event ticket packages to area soccer players. They have now been inspired to include parents and the families of the players. And the tickets are transferable.

They already have commitments for 19,433 packages. Charpentier's Edmonton & District Soccer Association has signed up for 10,883, Ray Volmer's Edmonton Inter-District for 3,000, Danny Bowie's Edmonton District for 2,000, Glen Stalker's St. Albert Association for 1,500, Chris Billings's Battle River group for 1,000, Craig Hawkins's Sherwood Park group for 750 and Fran Glenn's Tri-County for 300.

SETTING BIG GOALS

"Our goal is to sell 36,000 through those packages," said Val Close, manager of local hostings.

With the draw not until February, they'll target the lower bowl sideline seats ($196) at a later date.

May I suggest a promotional giveaway for the event? How about 50,000 of those giant foam fingers, except with a different finger indicating 'We're No. 1' than usual.

Gordon
09 Aug 2006, 06:28 PM
Edmonton was dicked around. Things change though. I wish the CSA had been straight up about things, especially regarding the final but the Final in Toronto is going to rock, have a great atmosphere and be an excellent showcase for the new stadium. I don't believe Toronto will make as much money, IIRC Edmonton guatanteed $500,000 more than they estimate Toronto to make. And having Canada play the opener in Toronto and then move to Edmonton is just plain silly from a competitive standpoint. But I can see some big time upside to holding the Final in Toronto. Unfortunately it means a TV viewing of the final for this prairie boy.

simon99
10 Aug 2006, 12:01 AM
Edmonton was dicked around. Things change though. I wish the CSA had been straight up about things, especially regarding the final but the Final in Toronto is going to rock, have a great atmosphere and be an excellent showcase for the new stadium. I don't believe Toronto will make as much money, IIRC Edmonton guatanteed $500,000 more than they estimate Toronto to make. And having Canada play the opener in Toronto and then move to Edmonton is just plain silly from a competitive standpoint. But I can see some big time upside to holding the Final in Toronto. Unfortunately it means a TV viewing of the final for this prairie boy.

At first I thought it was stupid to make the team travel but in the end I don't think it's that bad. 4 hrs of flight and 2 hours differential is no big deal. During USA 1994, the USA played their first game in Detroit on june 18 and went to LA on june 22 and 26 for their second and third game.

I'm not sure Edmonton were dicked out but I'm tired of this whinning from their organizing comitee, it's a joke. They have to show some unity in this, it's not like they have an eternal right to host every soccer event in this country. In 2002 it was them who receive the big games and they did well, in 2007 it will be another city, they have to accept this. They still have 2 Canada games.

And if cities involve in this tournament would show a little bit more unity and "team spirit" maybe the CSA wouldn't have to try pleasing everyone by having Canada play in different venue for their first round...

TorontoFC_Fanatic redded
10 Aug 2006, 10:52 AM
Toronto is the best choice period...Edmonton has never supported pro soccer
and should never have been picked as a venue for this upcoming u-20 event.
You wants to see more seats then people which is more often the case when soccer is played in Edmonton. Edmonton as a city sucks and should not even be considered as a home venue for Canada's national teams. Vancouver or Montreal or even Ottawa would be better choices. Allan Bollstad can go jump
off a cliff.

RealGooner
10 Aug 2006, 12:37 PM
Toronto is the best choice period...Edmonton has never supported pro soccer
and should never have been picked as a venue for this upcoming u-20 event.
You wants to see more seats then people which is more often the case when soccer is played in Edmonton. Edmonton as a city sucks and should not even be considered as a home venue for Canada's national teams. Vancouver or Montreal or even Ottawa would be better choices. Allan Bollstad can go jump
off a cliff.

I wouldn't go as far as saying Edmonton sucks as a city. Thats just mean and really has nothing to do with the matter. However I do agree with the sentiment that Edmonton should quit acting like only they have the right to host major finals. Thats plain selfish and silly.

Blizzard
10 Aug 2006, 02:39 PM
Toronto is the best choice period...Edmonton has never supported pro soccer
and should never have been picked as a venue for this upcoming u-20 event.
You wants to see more seats then people which is more often the case when soccer is played in Edmonton. Edmonton as a city sucks and should not even be considered as a home venue for Canada's national teams. Vancouver or Montreal or even Ottawa would be better choices. Allan Bollstad can go jump
off a cliff.

Easy now Fanatic. There is nothing wrong with Edmonton. They've been a good host to Canadian soccer in the past and a good host to many other sports events through the years.

One thing they do have to understand though is that Toronto is the media centre and population centre of this country and if you want the most bang for your media exposure buck, especially for a world level event such as this, Toronto is the place to be.

Edmonton is great but in this case, Toronto is the place for this final.

As I said to a friend of mine this morning, I'd rather see a totally sold out smaller stadium than a 3/4 full big stadium. It looks much better on international television and what has to be sold is the impression that Canada has supported this tournament.

B

Gordon
10 Aug 2006, 03:02 PM
Bollstad quit quietly months ago and it should be clear from the text to everyone that the complaints about Toronto and the process were dredged up by the reporter in this. You may have noticed that the organizing committee that stepped in top fill the void is the same one maligned by the CSA, who then decided it appropriate to tee up Jack Warner to malign them as well several months later. All of it needlessly. We should be grateful that these guys have stepped up adopting "to hell with the CSA we're doing it for everyone else" attitude instead of staying out of it.

The committee is right, of course. Edmonton will outdraw every other venue, and the final would have been sold out, and a bum in every seat, don't doubt that for a minute. The problem for the CSA is the reasons given for awarding the final to Toronto, which have been shown to be bogus, are what is on the record. Had they simply gone ahead and given the final to Toronto without a fake buidding process this wouldn't even be an issue. It is too bad that the CSA were not as professional as Mr. Bollstad: none of this would be an issue if they were. Its sad, because I think the final in Toronto will be very successful and a great show but this whole Edmonton versus Toronto thing will hang around like a bad smell. Terry Jones will make sure of that.

simon99
10 Aug 2006, 04:51 PM
Montreal would be my favourite to outdraw the other city but Edmonton will because they have at least 2 games involving Canada. They should feel lucky to have those 2 games, but they prefer the good old whinning.....

Montreal has been consistant in the last years getting very good crowd for the Impact and I think it will transpire in good crowds first in September against Jamaica and then next year for the U-20 WC.

But honestly, I don't care who's going to outdraw who, I just hope we can see positive sign of unity between the different city organizations to make that event a success.

Gordon
10 Aug 2006, 05:30 PM
Montreal would be my favourite to outdraw the other city but Edmonton will because they have at least 2 games involving Canada. They should feel lucky to have those 2 games, but they prefer the good old whinning.....

Montreal has been consistant in the last years getting very good crowd for the Impact and I think it will transpire in good crowds first in September against Jamaica and then next year for the U-20 WC.

But honestly, I don't care who's going to outdraw who, I just hope we can see positive sign of unity between the different city organizations to make that event a success.

I actually think that all the Cities are going to draw very well. You might be right about Montreal. I had forgotten that they would be using Olympic Stadium. The Canada games will probably tip the balance to Edmonton, but Montreal will be successful too, no doubt. How are they marketing the games there?

simon99
10 Aug 2006, 10:10 PM
I actually think that all the Cities are going to draw very well. You might be right about Montreal. I had forgotten that they would be using Olympic Stadium. The Canada games will probably tip the balance to Edmonton, but Montreal will be successful too, no doubt. How are they marketing the games there?


I have yet to see any publicity about the games in Montreal but that might be because of the incertainty with the stadium. I'm looking forward to see what they will do to promote the games. Maybe they've started?? People like Daniel or other MTL base supporter would know.

Here's a link about a publicity for the Canada vs Jamaica game. This site is being use to put all the results of all the leagues in the province, so you have all the players register, teams, schedules, standings and stats for every team in the province. A lot of people use this site and I think it's a good idea to put an announcement there.

I'll be at CCR for this game and I'm looking forward for a nice crowd

http://www.tsisports.ca/sc/soccer/ligue/

Daniel from Montréal
11 Aug 2006, 12:05 AM
No publicity since the WC final at Jean-Drapeau.

Tickets aren't on sale. Just a 30$ deposit.