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thedefender23
08 Aug 2006, 01:51 PM
With Eddie Pope gone theres an open spot in the center of the defense next to Onyewu(whom i assume should be a lock to play there barring injury or a huge drop in form). I think Gooch's partner should play to his strengths and help cover for his weaknesses:

Gooch's strengths: Heading/Leaping ability, Strength, Pace(granted he's not exactly as fast as say Kolo Toure or Ferdinand but for a man of his size he's pretty fast and quick), Tackling(he seems to have pretty good timing on tackles and delivers them with great force), 1 v 1 situations(i cant recall too many situations with Gooch behind isolated against a striker one on one but the few i can remember he did a pretty good job of shutting the player down)the Intimidation factor(his immense size and physique would be pretty intimidating to any striker that would have to face him plus remember the staredown against Borgetti lol?), Positioning(contrary to popular belief he puts himself in excellent positions to win balls in the air and on the ground)

Weaknesses: EXPERIENCE(or lack thereof), FOULING(maybe bc of his size and strength he is unfairly victimized by referees but its something he definitely needs to cut out of his game), Passing/Ball skills(he's not a bad passer and he's got pretty good ball skills but to take it to the next level he has to improve on this), Concentration(he does a pretty good job of being focused but as a defender he cant afford to have mental lapses that led to Borgetti scoring that goal at the Azteca and the Koller goal in the WC...Onyewu strikes me as a player who makes a mistake and then buckles down to play a MONSTER of a game as he did against Borgetti in that Mexico match and against Koller)

Most good CB partnerships are composed of two different types of players: one who is a proactive, physical defender that wins the headers and outmuscles strikers and one who is a more laid-back sweeper type with excellent ball skills and who can play the ball out of the back with ease( a perfect example of this can be seen for Man Utd when they play Ferdinand-Brown in the center or Ferdinad-Vidic in the center).Brown/Vidic acts as the more physical of the pairing and does the "dirty" work of the pair in terms of getting "stuck in", winning headers and making strong tackles...that isnt to say that Ferdinand doesnt do any of these tasks b/c he does but he plays more of a laid-back style in which he calmly wins the ball and starts attacks from the back

Right now the NATS seem to have too many of the first type of defender and not enough of the second...At his stage of development Gooch fills the first role easily and has shown SIGNS of being able to play the ball out of the back and start attacks..for him to be extremely successfull he needs a "Ferdinand" type defender next to him(granted its very difficult to find a CB with ball skills like Rio but GOoch still needs someone next to him who can play a ball out after its won)..the options are:

Conrad-pretty good in the air and has ok ball skills plus he looked pretty good in the World Cup...my problem is that he is kinda similar to Onyewu in style in terms of being good in the air(there is a major difference in athleticism however lol)...an Onyewu-Conrad pairing would be pretty good against a team whose attacking style was based on laerial battles playing long balls to big, tall strikers but if played against a possession-oriented team with small quick strikers it'd be very difficult for them to keep up. I'm sure Onyewu would be ok against a smaller striker bc he's pretty fast plus he can use this size to muscle the player but Conrad IMO would be destroyed against such a player

Beerhalter-He has the experience required to partner Gooch but honestly everytime i've seen him play he's never inspired much confidence and IMO he would be completely destroyed against quality opposition as he was when the USA was annihilated by Germany 4-0...he's always struck me as being way too slow and IMO i think he would hinder Gooch rather than help him because Onyewu would have to worry about his mark as well as trying to cover for Beerhalter's mistakes

Bocanegra-He seems good in the air as well and looks good enough on the ball to complement Gooch...however i'm not exactly sure of how good he is because whenever i've seen him play for club he's been paired with Zat Knight and has been forced to cover for his mistakes so much that its hard to tell what he would do with a quality partner

Gibbs-IMO i think he'd be a great partner for Gooch..he seems ok on the ball plus he is an excellent man-marker as he showed when he shut down RVN in a match against Holland a couple seasons ago..alongside Gooch the USMNT would have two pacy, strong CBs with enough ball skill between them to handle playing the ball out..the only problem with Gibbs is that he seems injury-prone

Adam Zebrowski
08 Aug 2006, 03:14 PM
i'd think gibbs was gonna be a starter before he got hurt again...

and I like the gooch, gibbs pairing...

gibbs ever finding health is a question...

conrad gets a vote from me right now...

and bocanegra will be in the equation too...

spector in the middle might be possible too, it'd add huge skill there, and he'd be complementary to gooch also

cleansheetbsc
08 Aug 2006, 03:24 PM
OK, lets just list them all right now since we have 4 years to debate it:

Boca
Gibbs
Spector
Marshall
DeMerit
Simek
Conrad
Berhalter (he hasn't announced his 'retirement' from Nat team service)
Parke
Parkhurst
yadda
yadda
yadda

TheRightPants
08 Aug 2006, 05:12 PM
Who's this "Yadda" character?

Justin Z
08 Aug 2006, 05:16 PM
Yeah. From that post, they seem to be quite the productive family as far as producing center backs for us, but why have we never heard of them before?

nobody
08 Aug 2006, 05:18 PM
As much as I've liked Eddie over the years, his retirement is no big deal. Center back is our deepest position.

DSM1
08 Aug 2006, 05:37 PM
I think Boswell should be included in this discussion.

macheath
08 Aug 2006, 05:48 PM
I think Boswell should be included in this discussion.


Yup, and maybe Whitbread, although his English career is sputtering a bit.

TheRightPants
08 Aug 2006, 05:50 PM
Maybe you were talking about Reverend Yatta Samura:

http://www.sportslife-sl.info/sport.htm

If this is in fact the case, it is a severe misunderstanding. Yatta is only a single man (rather than three, or a soccer dynasty figurehead) and is affiliated with the managerial duties of a football club in Sierra Leone (see above link). I can't say for sure if he's cap-tied, though he's probably not a viable option for CB for the USMNT anyway. Hardly worth mentioning in this thread, especially repetetively.

russ
08 Aug 2006, 06:17 PM
FOULING(maybe bc of his size and strength he is unfairly victimized by referees but its something he definitely needs to cut out of his game),

The unfairly victimized thing has got to stop.In international football,Gooch's fouls come due to positional errors which force him to use his body..When he plays sound D and gets in good positions (e.g. vs.Borgetti in Columbus)he gets the calls.

sidefootsitter
08 Aug 2006, 06:24 PM
The unfairly victimized thing has got to stop.In international football,Gooch's fouls come due to positional errors which force him to use his hands Fixed by Bruce Arena.

Elninho
08 Aug 2006, 07:27 PM
The unfairly victimized thing has got to stop.In international football,Gooch's fouls come due to positional errors which force him to use his body..When he plays sound D and gets in good positions (e.g. vs.Borgetti in Columbus)he gets the calls.

What do you call the Ghana PK?

eric_appleby
08 Aug 2006, 07:30 PM
Most good CB partnerships are composed of two different types of players: one who is a proactive, physical defender that wins the headers and outmuscles strikers and one who is a more laid-back sweeper type with excellent ball skills and who can play the ball out of the back with ease

The latter describes Michael Parkhurst. I'm doubtful he can elevate his game to the international level, but he deserves some looks.

Honore de Ballsac
08 Aug 2006, 07:38 PM
And Pablo Mastroeni, retooled for 2010.

DiscoWarrior11
08 Aug 2006, 08:28 PM
I'd trust a healthy Gibbs or Conrad until someone steps it up to their potential... actually, I'd like to see Gibbs step it up.

russ
08 Aug 2006, 08:40 PM
What do you call the Ghana PK?
Giving the ref a chance to F up the call by letting a man goalside.

cleansheetbsc
09 Aug 2006, 08:20 AM
Who's this "Yadda" character?

a young immigrant from Ghana. He is 11 right now, but plays with 16 year-olds. He is the future of US soccer.
:)

swedust
09 Aug 2006, 08:47 AM
I don't know if it's left-over Andruli-cooties or what, but Marshall really deserves more praise. Must admit I haven't watched C-bus this season, but he has many of Pope's qualities: good footwork, speed (maybe not as much), strength in the air, is not easily rattled, a quiet lead-by-example demeanor.

Clearly, he is green in comparison to Pope, and I'm not saying he's an automatic shoe-in, but he is overlooked I think too often in USMNT discussions. Last cycle, he got probably as much attention as he deserved, but going forward I really hope to see him get more chances to win a spot.

juventino3
09 Aug 2006, 08:58 AM
Our outlook at central defender is very strong for the future. We have strong existing holdovers in Onyewu, Gibbs, Boca, and Conrad. Young up and comers include Demerit, Marshall, Moor, D. Robinson, Boswell, Ihemelu, Parkhurst, Whitbread, and Veris.

sabretarheel
09 Aug 2006, 09:07 AM
Gibbs, provided he can stay healthy, will be 30 come the next World Cup, and should be peaking or at least close to it in terms of his abilities. In my mind he's the best CB we have to pair with Gooch. Again, as has been noted though, his ability to stay healthy is probably a much greater concern than his playing ability.

I don't see it with Conrad. He as all the fight and heart in the world. His positioning is pretty good, and his soccer savoir faire seems pretty up there. But he just seems pretty limited to me athletically and seems lacking a great skill set to compensate. He's not particularly deft with his feet (playing passes out of the back, taking a few touches to dribble out of trouble to make a better pass, etc.) I don't necessarily seem his a huge liability on the backline or anything, but I really see him as more of a place holder than an true answer at CB.