Why don't foreigners care about the Brazilian League?

[sidis]

Most of people don't know the teams.

We don't have the stars, but we still have a high level and hard league, the most difficult to win in the world, i think.

what you think about it and what we can do to the Brasileirão intersting to watch /follow for foreigners ?

[Century's Best]

Frankly there's little.

Our South American neighbors care primarily about their own leagues. Some of us Brazilians may deride the quality of the Peruvian or Ecuadorian leagues, but to them, they're the leagues that matter. You can make an even stronger argument when the foreigners in question are the Mexicans or the Argentines.

But thanks to the Libertadores and to proximity, one may argue that our neighbors may at least watch some of our better games – Copa do Brasil/Brasileirão classics like Flamengo vs. Vasco; Corinthians vs. Palmeiras; Grêmio vs. Internacional, etc., just for the sheer popularity of these teams and the importance of these derbies.

Look to Europe. Why would they care? They have the world’s best talent – including ours – in their leagues. The Serie A, Bundesliga, Premiership, Liga Primera have the finest talents on Earth. Plus, they value their own tournaments more than foreign tournaments, with the exception of the Champions’ League. That’s why Euro teams historically cared less about the Intercontinental Cup (do I miss that event!) than we do.

Foreign fans are simply saturated with their own domestic leagues and with important international club tournaments. I as a Brazilian have difficulty taking the Sul-Americana seriously (I never thought much of Copa Mercosul) and other than the Champions’ League and the Club World Cup, there isn’t any club soccer I care to watch if it’s not the Brazilian league or the Libertadores. I’ll watch the occasional Boca-River just for the history between these two teams, but other than that, I don’t follow non-Brazilian games. Heck, Peñarol-Nacional was and is a huge derby in Uruguay, but I have absolutely no interest in the Uruguayan league.

[Cool Rob]

It's strange because the Brazilian league is one of the best in the world.

One, the previous post is right because people are saturated with their own leagues. But I also think its some Euro condescension as its assumed that Italy, Spain and England are the best, and there's nothing else worth watching.

This is inconsistent because many teams (not England) are Brazilian dependent and the Brazilians in Brazil will soon be starring for Euro teams.

Its also a bad image problem- you only hear about the bad, corrupt mismanaged side of things, but rarely about the great young players until they move to Europe. If Brazilian soccer is protrayed as backwards, the market will be undervalued and it makes it easier for European teams to buy players for less than they should. For example, it's insane that Sao Paulo got anything less than 30 million for Kaka.

[SoccerScout]

What pisses me off is that anytime a European and Americans talk about South American clubs their first reference is Boca, then River...as if Brazilian clubs didnt exist.

[Mengão86]

What pisses me off is that anytime a European and Americans talk about South American clubs their first reference is Boca, then River...as if Brazilian clubs didnt exist.

Haha, exactly. Wow, I actually agree with SS on something.:eek:

I also agree with the points Century brought up. The Europeans feel that their leagues are better than anything the Brasilian league has to offer so they don't bother watching it. I guess the amount of coverage our league gets in other countries may effect this as well..

[Mibu Clan]

Because the Brazilian league doesnt get the coverage... ;)

Colombia follows the Argentina league because there are more Colombians over there, as well as Mexican league...

Frankly, Ive tried many times to follow it on this Brazilian channel here (Recordi) but last sunday I was watching a repeat of the same game played last sunday... Atletico Paranaense- Flamengo...

ImO its because of coverage.

What pisses me off is that anytime a European and Americans talk about South American clubs their first reference is Boca, then River...as if Brazilian clubs didnt exist.
Sao Paulo is a refference as of last year... ...
Ive tried to become a Sao Paulo fan since before they won La Libertadores last Cup, but cant really follow because I can only get to watch the games they play on La Libertadores...

ImO its because of coverage, here I get to see Argentina League (Why Im a Boca fan) and thats it...

Although i am trying to get more on Brasileirao and maybe become a true fan of a team over there... But its difficult because of the coverage.

For example every day of the week I watch a program that talks mostly about Argentinan Football, and maybe some international coverage... and they play Boca and River games...

Nothing else, where as the only time I can get to see a Brazilian team is during la Libertadores... which is why I cant become a true fan of one team...

When Santos played I enjoyed watching them (Robinho, Diego, Renato...) then came Sao Paulo and I enjoyed them, same with Internacional and Paranaense, Cruzeiro...
but its because of this that I cant become a true fan, different from the Argentina league...

Although as of last Libertadores (Since the game against Tigres) Ive become a Sao Paulo admirer...

[celito]

It's strange because the Brazilian league is one of the best in the world.

One, the previous post is right because people are saturated with their own leagues. But I also think its some Euro condescension as its assumed that Italy, Spain and England are the best, and there's nothing else worth watching.

This is inconsistent because many teams (not England) are Brazilian dependent and the Brazilians in Brazil will soon be starring for Euro teams.

Its also a bad image problem- you only hear about the bad, corrupt mismanaged side of things, but rarely about the great young players until they move to Europe. If Brazilian soccer is protrayed as backwards, the market will be undervalued and it makes it easier for European teams to buy players for less than they should. For example, it's insane that Sao Paulo got anything less than 30 million for Kaka.

The Kaka' comment is really not fair. Nobody probably expected him to have done that well that early in Europe. As a comparison Robinho has somewhat struggled in Spain (at least according to all expectations and his price tag) and Diego has disappeared in Portugal (re-appearing now in Germany). Denilson, while a great individual player, never really fullfilled his potential. So you just never know how a player will do in Europe.

[celito]

What pisses me off is that anytime a European and Americans talk about South American clubs their first reference is Boca, then River...as if Brazilian clubs didnt exist.

It's probably because in Argentina, those are the 2 most powerfull clubs by far. And most great players end up coming from those 2 clubs (at least when going to Europe). In Brazil there are so many that alternate good spells it's hard to pinpoint 2 or 3 that really dominate and players go straight to Europe from many different teams like Internacional, Gremio, Sao Paulo, Palmeiras, Flamengo, Vasco, Cruzeiro, etc ...

[celito]

It's strange because the Brazilian league is one of the best in the world.

One, the previous post is right because people are saturated with their own leagues. But I also think its some Euro condescension as its assumed that Italy, Spain and England are the best, and there's nothing else worth watching.

This is inconsistent because many teams (not England) are Brazilian dependent and the Brazilians in Brazil will soon be starring for Euro teams.

Its also a bad image problem- you only hear about the bad, corrupt mismanaged side of things, but rarely about the great young players until they move to Europe. If Brazilian soccer is protrayed as backwards, the market will be undervalued and it makes it easier for European teams to buy players for less than they should. For example, it's insane that Sao Paulo got anything less than 30 million for Kaka.

But we mainly watch European leagues because the presence of our players. Otherwise it probably wouldn't get much attention. They just don't have the same interest because no European players of any significance come to play here. Plus, there is only so much time in a week you can dedicate to watching games assuming you have a normal life. When you are already watching good games in the weekend in your own leagues, why would spend more time to watch games from Brazil unless the level of play is amazingly better ? Just doesn't make any sense.

[Jawz10]

Brazilian players are the most wonderful to watch in the world, unfortunately the same can't be said of the Brasileiro. The level of play is frequently high, especially in Libertadores, but isn't really the kind of football enjoyed by Europeans and Euro-centric American soccer fans. Especially those who watch English soccer because IMO English soccer ruins peoples expectations of what good soccer actually looks like by assuming that good soccer is fast paced and without tactics. However, the World Cup and European competition often find them out in regards to how poorly England have done in so many years and in Champions League when the best English sides in 10 years played like Italians (Livepool and Arsenal defense/counterattack).

The style of play in Brazil is, correct me if I'm wrong, rather stop/startish with periods of flowing attacking football arte in between. I believe this is primarily due to the climate, which may play a role in how South American football is played. However, that doesn't explain why Brasileiro isn't more popular in other South American nations. There is also a lot of play acting, though not as much as in Argentina for example.

That Brazilian football is both competitive and corrupt also hinder its popularity as there is no one club that dominates and thus no bandwagon to jump on, nor despise. A team like Chelsea polarizes the fans across the world by either making them resentful or drawing them in.

Other than Italian football Brazil is the most corrupt with the owners of clubs stealing money from fans in some cases (Its a wonder that these two nations have the greatest history :D). This also makes it difficult for clubs to build global audiences and recognition.

Brazilian football is one best exported it seems. Its too refined a taste to enjoy in its rawest forms. I enjoy it, and THOROUGHLY enjoy professional futsal matches from Brazil personally.

[crzdcolombian]

there r no foreigners in the brasilian league. There are only 4 colombians in it. 2 who dont start and 1 that never plays. I started paying attention to it when Wason Renteria went to Inter, and have been following it ever since. I always knew it was one of the best leagues. I always thought the arg was better because Boca won 5 times in 6 years the copa lib. But now that its been an all brasilan final 2 years in a row I also have to change that opinion. Also Arg speak spainish its just easier to understand.

[Cool Rob]

But we mainly watch European leagues because the presence of our players. Otherwise it probably wouldn't get much attention. They just don't have the same interest because no European players of any significance come to play here. Plus, there is only so much time in a week you can dedicate to watching games assuming you have a normal life. When you are already watching good games in the weekend in your own leagues, why would spend more time to watch games from Brazil unless the level of play is amazingly better ? Just doesn't make any sense.

It makes sense when your European team is linked to a young Brazilian. Hardcore fans want to know what they're getting. Real Madrid fans got very, very familiar with Santos before the transfer finally went through.

I think that if Brazil is the pipeline, people should be more interested in it. Even more so is the fact that Brazil is world's spiritual home for soccer. That in itself should be enough but its not. If the Selecao is everyone's favorite team, you would think there would be more interest.

A non-Brazilian spending lots of time there, the selecao interest is how I came to watch so much brazilian league soccer. I'm just suprised more people don't do the same.

[Cool Rob]

If the Selecao is everyone's favorite team, you would think there would be more interest.

Sorry, SECOND favorite team.

[halfnelson31]

Also I never really see it on TV. I've always wanted to follow the Brasil leagues espically after Corienthins starting buying people but living in America I have no chance. :(

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[TRICOLOR BRASIL]

Well, with the exception of maybe the Spanish and Italian league, we brazilians pretty much dont care about any league besides our own, too.

[TRICOLOR BRASIL]

there r no foreigners in the brasilian league. There are only 4 colombians in it. 2 who dont start and 1 that never plays.

Have you ever heard of Tevez? Mascherano? Sebastian Dominguez? Johnny Herrera? Petkovic? Diego Lugano? Reasco? Gamarra? Maldonado?...

[Mengão86]

Have you ever heard of Tevez? Mascherano? Sebastian Dominguez? Johnny Herrera? Petkovic? Diego Lugano? Reasco? Gamarra? Maldonado?...

I'll post a list that I compiled a while back..

GRÊMIO
Alejandro Escalona-LeftBack (Chile)
Marcelo Lipatin-forward (Uruguay)
Julian Maidana-defender (Argentina)
German Gustavo Herrera-forward (Argentina)

SANTOS
Claudio Maldonado-midfielder (Chile)
Manzur*-defender (Paraguay)
De Nigris-forward (Mexico)

CORINTHIANS
Carlos Tevez*- forward (Argentina)
Javier Mascherano*-midfielder (Argentina)
Sebastian Dominguez- defender (Argentina)
Johnny Herrera-goalkeeper (Chile)

ATLÉTICO PARANAENSE
David Ferreira-midfielder(Colombia)
Sergio Dario Herrera-forward (Colombia)
Paulo Cesar Pezzolano Suarez - midfielder (Uruguay)

FLAMENGO
Horacio Peralta-forward (Uruguay)
Cesar Ramirez*-forward (Paraguay)

FLUMINENSE
Dejan Petkovic-forward/midfielder (Serbia)
Vladimir Djordjevic-defense (Serbia)

PALMEIRAS
Carlos Gamarra*-defender (Paraguay)

BOTAFOGO
Jorge Artigas - Midfielder (Uruguay/Argentina)

SÃO PAULO
Diego Lugano-defender (Uruguay)

INTERNACIONAL
Wason Renteria-forward (Colombia)

PONTE PRETA
Julio Rodriguez-midfielder (Uruguay)

[SoccerScout]

Also I never really see it on TV. I've always wanted to follow the Brasil leagues espically after Corienthins starting buying people but living in America I have no chance. :(


Not true, on DISH nework...for about $20 a month you can get about 16 games a month on TV GLOBO. Also GOL TV shows about 1 or 2 games a week from Brazil.

[Mengão86]

Not true, on DISH nework...for about $20 a month you can get about 16 games a month on TV GLOBO. Also GOL TV shows about 1 or 2 games a week from Brazil.

I assume either one of the following:

1) They did not know about this, thus proving they really weren't interested enough to do some research on it.

2) They don't want to get a package in a language that they do not understand.

3) That is too much for something they may not watch too much of..

[crzdcolombian]

i no there are 4 colombians in Brasil but there are like 20 in argentina and those actually play. Renteria is a sub that gets a few mins each game and we keep track of him because he is young and doing realitively well in copa lib, he is inters goalscorer with 4. Ferreria actually starts and the other 2 never play.

In argentina they all play, also I live in the US and none of my channels show the brasilian league which sucks because I would much rather see brasilian league than costa rican league.... or el salvador !!! dam u gol tv !!!!

but what Ive seen I really like Sao Paublo and there goal scoring goalie, even tho I want inter to win haha