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Colin Grabow
30 Jul 2002, 04:48 PM
http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/ts.ts-07-30-0011.html

Clinton delighted the crowd by playing sax with the band before dinner and telling them that "If the Iraqi army crossed the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle and fight, and die."

joseph pakovits
30 Jul 2002, 04:55 PM
Can we send him over there now then?

Dante
30 Jul 2002, 04:55 PM
Can his wife join him?

Doctor Stamen
30 Jul 2002, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Colin Grabow
http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/ts.ts-07-30-0011.html

Clinton delighted the crowd by playing sax with the band before dinner and telling them that "If the Iraqi army crossed the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle and fight, and die."

Guess who's going to get belatedly called up to go for the coming war ?. Maybe avoiding his national service during Vietnam may bite him in the arse :).

joseph pakovits
30 Jul 2002, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Doctor Stamen


Guess who's going to get belatedly called up to go for the coming war ?. Maybe avoiding his national service during Vietnam may bite him in the arse :).

I'd suggest sending Dumbya over too but he'd probably just go AWOL again.

GringoTex
30 Jul 2002, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by joseph pakovits


I'd suggest sending Dumbya over too but he'd probably just go AWOL again.

Dubya didn't go AWOL. He can't remember exactly what he did during his Reserves duty or where he was stationed, but he's certain he didn't go AWOL.

SoFla Metro
30 Jul 2002, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by GringoTex


Dubya didn't go AWOL. He can't remember exactly what he did during his Reserves duty or where he was stationed, but he's certain he didn't go AWOL. Wait, are we talking about Dubya or Reagan?

"I can't recall" is the title of the Republican platform.

Colin Grabow
30 Jul 2002, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by SoFla Metro
Wait, are we talking about Dubya or Reagan?

"I can't recall" is the title of the Republican platform.

I don't think they have any monopoly. Bill Clinton from his Paula Jones deposition:

I don't remember - 71 times
I don't know - 62
I'm not sure - 17
I have no idea - 10
I don't believe so - 9
I don't recall - 8
I don't think so - 8
I don't have any specific recollection - 6
I have no recollection - 4
Not to my knowledge - 4
I just don't remember - 4
I don't believe - 4
I have no specific recollection - 3
I might have - 3
I don't have any recollection of that - 2
I don't have a specific memory - 2
I don't have any memory of that - 2
I just can't say - 2
I have no direct knowledge of that - 2
I don't have any idea - 2
Not that I recall - 2
I don't believe I did - 2
I can't remember - 2
I can't say - 2
I do not remember doing so - 2
Not that I remember - 2
I'm not aware - 1
I honestly don't know - 1
I don't believe that I did - 1
I'm fairly sure - 1
I have no other recollection - 1
I'm not positive - 1
I certainly don't think so - 1
I don't really remember - 1
I would have no way of remembering that - 1
That's what I believe happened - 1
To my knowledge, no - 1
To the best of my knowledge - 1
To the best of my memory - 1
I honestly don't recall - 1
I Honestly Don't Know'
I honestly don't remember - 1
That's all I know - 1
I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1
I don't actually have a independent memory of that - 1
As far as I know - 1
I don't believe I ever did that - 1
That's all I know about that - 1
I'm just not sure - 1
Nothing that I remember - 1
I simply don't know - 1
I would have no idea - 1
I don't know anything about that - 1
I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1
I just don't know - 1
I really don't know - 1
I can't deny that I did, I just - I have no memory of that at all - 1

spejic
30 Jul 2002, 05:59 PM
Colin, you forgot:

I have heard that spejic is much better in bed than I am - 451

joseph pakovits
30 Jul 2002, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Colin Grabow

I don't think they have any monopoly. Bill Clinton from his Paula Jones deposition:

I don't remember - 71 times


OK, smart guy, now do this for Reagan during Iran-Contra. Don't blame me, though, if your computer blows up from trying to handle such a large number...

As for Bush and his service record, go here:

http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#vietnam

Dan Loney
30 Jul 2002, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by Colin Grabow
I don't think they have any monopoly. Bill Clinton from his Paula Jones deposition:

This lawsuit is bullsh**t 463 times
This lawsuit is total bullsh**t 623
This lawsuit is such a barrel of bullsh**t 573
This lawsuit is donkeysh**t 412
This lawsuit is wombatsh**t 23
Why the f**ck am I here when I should be doing my job 783
Have you dumbsh**ts even heard of "separation of powers"? 346
Monica was great, Paula was crap 694
You ain't got sh**t on me, Starr, and you know it 893
Go ahead and impeach me, I'll skate like Peggy F***king Fleming 2,934
Two terms, motherf***ker, so go ahead and carve my di*k onto Mount Rushmore 229
Have I mentioned recently that this lawsuit is bullsh**t? 337
Starr, I could fold it in half and still be better hung than you 650
What, no questions about all the Harken stock I bought from Bush's retard son? 392
You treat me like this, after I let Cheney buy oil from Iraq? It's a good thing that won't possibly have any downside 23
Yeah, because David Brock said so, didn't he, and you can ALWAYS trust David Brock, right? RIGHT? 15
As I've said many, many times in the past - blow me 2

Outside of Bush I and McCain, did any Republicans bother to go to war?

http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html

(Slightly hypocritical on my part, because if I had been of draft age during Vietnam, I'd have been a bigger dodger than Tommy Lasorda. But then, I'm not getting paid to drum up support for a war, am I?)

Ian McCracken
30 Jul 2002, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Colin Grabow
Clinton delighted the crowd by playing sax with the band before dinner and telling them that "If the Iraqi army crossed the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle and fight, and die."

Nice to see that Clinton is settling into his role as an elder statesman.

Ian McCracken
30 Jul 2002, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by joseph pakovits

I'd suggest sending Dumbya over too but he'd probably just go AWOL again.

http://a1636.g.akamai.net/7/1636/797/7d3fe947fc33a4/graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/newsimages/bush_pilot_052300.jpg

Doesn't look AWOL to me.

I'm sure one of you will post a picture of Bill Clinton to prove he didn't dodge the draft. I'll be waiting.

CrewDust
30 Jul 2002, 08:35 PM
Good to see Pandor bear is still alive and well.

spejic
30 Jul 2002, 08:48 PM
You were much smarter before your mysterious disappearance. Are you really the same person?

I said that because you cannot be as ill-informed as you seem to be from that sentence. Bush the Younger was supposed to be protecting Texas from the Vietcong from May 1972 to May 1973, but instead never reported for duty.

> I'm sure one of you will post a picture of Bill
> Clinton to prove he didn't dodge the draft. I'll be waiting.

He didn't dodge the draft - it just slipped his mind. But here is a picture of the winner of the 2000 presidential election you might like.

http://198.64.129.160/military/graphics/gore.jpg

Garcia
30 Jul 2002, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by spejic

He didn't dodge the draft - it just slipped his mind. But here is a picture of the winner of the 2000 presidential election you might like.

http://198.64.129.160/military/graphics/gore.jpg
I thought Tom Hanks was Forrest Gump.

Anyway, pot smoking can make you forget many things.

Umm, yea...

What was I talking about again?

empennage
30 Jul 2002, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by spejic
But here is a picture ...you might like.

http://198.64.129.160/military/graphics/gore.jpg

I respect him a lot for doing his duty during Vietnam. If I remember correctly he wasn't drafted but joined voluntarily as an officer after he graduated hrom Harvard. Part of this was because he father was a Senator at the time, but his dad may have actually been against the war (I can't remember). I think he was a journalist over there in nam, kind of like Full Metal Jacket.

Dante
30 Jul 2002, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by empennage
I respect him a lot for doing his duty during Vietnam. If I remember correctly he wasn't drafted but joined voluntarily as an officer after he graduated hrom Harvard. Part of this was because he father was a Senator at the time, but his dad may have actually been against the war (I can't remember). I think he was a journalist over there in nam, kind of like Full Metal Jacket.

Gore was in Vietnam for less than 5 months, and in that 5 months he never fired a shot and hardly ever went off base. This comes from Gore himself. He was not even remotely on par with combat journalists. Gore was a remf.

Where'd you get that picture spejic? From Al Gore's 1988 presidential campaign brochure? Gore was criticized for including that picture, the criticism being that the picture created a false impression that he had served as an infantryman, even though his only real combat experience was interviewing other GIs who had been in combat.

joseph pakovits
31 Jul 2002, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by Dante


Gore was in Vietnam for less than 5 months, and in that 5 months he never fired a shot and hardly ever went off base. This comes from Gore himself. He was not even remotely on par with combat journalists. Gore was a remf.


At least Gore doesn't have to lie about his service record like Dumbya does...

spejic
31 Jul 2002, 02:08 PM
Why is it a problem that he was never an infantryman? Only 1/5th of the Americans that went to Vietnam were infantrymen. And a person of Gore's IQ would never have been an infantryman - the army would save them for other jobs (although some jobs for intelligent people, like infantry officer or pilot are even more dangerous).

I was reading a bit more about Bush, and it seems that lots of famous Texans also protected Texas from the North Vietnam Air Force (like Lloyd Bentsen's kid, John Tower's kid and many of the Dallas Coyboys). I guess Texans are just wimps.