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CHICO13
06 Aug 2006, 10:43 PM
Is anyone going to see this movie? I'm not sure I need to re-live that day. It's still fresh in my memory.
JeremyEritrea
06 Aug 2006, 10:44 PM
Is anyone going to see this movie? I'm not sure I need to re-live that day. It's still fresh in my memory.
No way in hell.
rabble-rabble
07 Aug 2006, 02:27 PM
Still way too soon for me too.
SirManchester
07 Aug 2006, 02:38 PM
It's not even that it's too son (which it definitely is) but it's a cheap shot on behalf od Stone. I don't understand why he wants us to suddenly feel all sentimental over the event by injecting this poor attempt of a film with emotional scenes. I don't understand what he aims to achieve with this at this time.
Demosthenes
07 Aug 2006, 02:46 PM
It's not even that it's too son (which it definitely is) but it's a cheap shot on behalf od Stone. I don't understand why he wants us to suddenly feel all sentimental over the event by injecting this poor attempt of a film with emotional scenes. I don't understand what he aims to achieve with this at this time.
Well, my impression from the TV ads and promo materials is that he aims to honor the heroes who risked/gave their lives to save others on 9/11. Pretty low, huh?
Ghost
07 Aug 2006, 02:53 PM
Oh, I'll have a lot to say about this movie over the course of the next few days ...........
SirManchester
07 Aug 2006, 03:04 PM
Well, my impression from the TV ads and promo materials is that he aims to honor the heroes who risked/gave their lives to save others on 9/11. Pretty low, huh?
ehh..It just looks like a really bad propaganda film...all the wat to the use of that Coldplay song.
I'll skip it, I have no need to see that stuff again, same reason I skipped United 93. Maybe someday.
Demosthenes
07 Aug 2006, 03:33 PM
ehh..It just looks like a really bad propaganda film...all the wat to the use of that Coldplay song.
I didn't say it looks like a good film. But propaganda for what?
SirManchester
07 Aug 2006, 03:51 PM
I didn't say it looks like a good film. But propaganda for what?
I mainly said that because it tries to, it forces its viewers to feel a certain way. It manipulates our feelings relative to how the director himself feels about the issue and it's just not right.
Ghost
07 Aug 2006, 04:14 PM
John Podhoretz is a conservative bigwig who moonlights as the Weekly Standard's film reviewer. This NY Post column gives you a good idea of the film.
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/stone_sinks_opedcolumnists_john_podhoretz.htm
SirManchester
07 Aug 2006, 04:26 PM
John Podhoretz is a conservative bigwig who moonlights as the Weekly Standard's film reviewer. This NY Post column gives you a good idea of the film.
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/stone_sinks_opedcolumnists_john_podhoretz.htm
Yea that pretty much covers the basics of why Stone should be stoned.
Here's one paragraph that stood out form that article;
Much of the picture is taken up with the suffering and anxiety of the wives and families of McLoughlin and Jimeno, and the ultra-histrionic Stone simply has no idea how to film an ordinary scene in which four people sit in a house together. Instead, he slaps together clichés from World War II pictures and Lifetime's "movies for women" into an unconvincing, clichéd lump.
quentinc
07 Aug 2006, 04:41 PM
It manipulates our feelings relative to how the director himself feels about the issue and it's just not right.
How does that differ from any other movie? Or for that matter, any other form of art?
Via_Chicago
07 Aug 2006, 04:43 PM
I take it some of you have seen the film (which is based on a true story anyway, so no sense in worrying about spoliers), so please enlighten us with your own opinions and why you liked/didn't like the movie that at the very least actually draws from examples from the film itself.
SirManchester
07 Aug 2006, 04:49 PM
How does that differ from any other movie? Or for that matter, any other form of art?
this is 9/11 we're talking about. Also read the article Ghost posted, it makes a good point and as a serious "cinefan", I don't like where this movie is coming from.
Ghost
07 Aug 2006, 05:23 PM
I take it some of you have seen the film (which is based on a true story anyway, so no sense in worrying about spoliers), so please enlighten us with your own opinions and why you liked/didn't like the movie that at the very least actually draws from examples from the film itself.
It made me laugh.
edit:
It's the feel-good Sept. 11 movie that the country has been waiting for.
quentinc
07 Aug 2006, 05:50 PM
this is 9/11 we're talking about. Also read the article Ghost posted, it makes a good point and as a serious "cinefan", I don't like where this movie is coming from.
Art is best when it deals with controversial or sensitive issues, and I don't see how 9/11 should be given immunity from directorial interpretation. Just because you don't agree with the artistic slant a film takes doesn't mean the film should be derided.
SirManchester
07 Aug 2006, 07:18 PM
Art is best when it deals with controversial or sensitive issues, and I don't see how 9/11 should be given immunity from directorial interpretation. Just because you don't agree with the artistic slant a film takes doesn't mean the film should be derided.
I didn't say it should be given immunity, on the contrary, it should totally be artistically interpretted. This however is a wrong way to do it, and a falsification of the events of 9/11. It wasn't some joyous occasion with the lasting impact of laughter, happiness, and unity. It was a horrible event that that sparked political controversies and countless political and cultural decisions.
quentinc
07 Aug 2006, 07:51 PM
This however is a wrong way to do it, and a falsification of the events of 9/11.
It's falsified? I don't remember reading this anywhere. It might be sensationalized, but I sincerely doubt the story is radically different from what happened.
It wasn't some joyous occasion with the lasting impact of laughter, happiness, and unity. It was a horrible event that that sparked political controversies and countless political and cultural decisions.
Having not seen the movie, I couldn't say whether or not the movie gave off an impression of "laughter, happiness, and unity," but I would certainly argue that unity came out of the event (at least in the immediate aftermath). Besides, this isn't a documentary, where everything needs to be as true to life as possible; it's told in a narrative format, and therefore is subject to the whimsy of the director.
SirManchester
07 Aug 2006, 08:17 PM
From what I've seen and what I read about this movie, it comes off emphasizing the unity after the event much more than actually highlighting the reality of it; which was more doom and gloom. I can see why Oliver Stone made it, he wants people to be injected with some feeling of pride, unity, and ultimately to feel very sentimental. But again, if he is making a movie about 9/11, about the WTC, he is clearly missing the point.
The article Ghost posted a while back makes a good point. You should read it.