Fergie Starts the Mind Games...

[GrodZilla]

Hello Pot, Kettle here, Black's the name...

Isn't it the other way around? Now it's the Kettle calling itself black...

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Hello Pot, Kettle here, Black's the name...

*groan*

[Vermont Red]

Things you want from a ground:

i)Good atmosphere
ii)Good view
iii)Comfortable seat, (and preferably dry and out of the wind for the ladies)
iv)Good access to bar / toilet at half time
v)Easy to get in and out
vi)A nice looking building, whether modern or old


I think (i) is so far ahead of the others that I can't even care about them. This has nothing to do with Emirates versus Old Trafford, just my general feeling. I'll take a crappy, uncomfortable seat in a park with limited bathrooms and beer vendors that is near impossible to get to and looks like crap from the outside as long as inside, it rocks. (Kind of like Nevada Smiths.)

[appoo]

Isn't it the other way around? Now it's the Kettle calling itself black...

well, his manager IS Arsen Wenger :D

[MtP07]

Can we all just agree that Arsenal has an inferiority complex towards United?

[Miles Brasher]

*groan*

Or have you spent the summer improving your rather weak and ineffectual windup skills ?

[bestbecks]

Or have you spent the summer improving your rather weak and ineffectual windup skills ?
Nah, I think he's spent the summer trying to devise a clever way of rubbing in the fact that we'll STILL own you away from home, even if that means it's at the airport terminal (albeit a very nice airport terminal) that you guys call home. :D

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Or have you spent the summer improving your rather weak and ineffectual windup skills ?

I just post the truth and then sit back to watch your lot wind each other up.

[Miles Brasher]

Nah, I think he's spent the summer trying to devise a clever way of rubbing in the fact that we'll STILL own you away from home, even if that means it's at the airport terminal (albeit a very nice airport terminal) that you guys call home. :D

Yeah, that's what I suspected, he needs to go and get a life. Mind you there's bugger all to do in Scotland in the summer except stay inside and avoid the midges.

[Drench]

Good atmosphere


I don't mean to offend, but for a club of Arsenal's size and history, your atmosphere is shocking, it really is. You'd never have guessed that you've won 13 league titles etc. Your stadium gets named "the library". It's not an attack on Arsenal, I think you're a good club, who play fantastic football but my club makes more noise than Arsenal and we have a capacity of 6000.

However that could all change with your new stadium, it looks the business, I can safely say I'm very jealous. :D

[Miles Brasher]

I just post the truth and then sit back to watch your lot wind each other up.

hahahahahahahahaha. Is that the George Galloway or George Bush version of the truth ? :p

[lost]

I'm actually living currently almost in the shadow of the emirates stadium, gotta say, it is impressive. but there are one or two things hampering it:
a) its a bastard to get to, small little roads all the way, except via Holloway road, and that takes you round an unbelievably long route to the entrance, so late arrivals at the game will be a constant feature of this new stadium.
b) It is based in a very residential area, the same as highbury, but this one will have to cater for many more numbers now, the roads, as i have said, are tiny, and i mean tiny, they have two floor buildings, almost bungalows, facing the stadium from the adjoining road. So there will be problems to begin with as the area grows accustomed to the new crowds.
c) The inability of the arsenal crowd to raise the decibels, this will not be altered by a new pitch, they are infamous for being the most silent crowd in world football, what difference will a new ground make. So the atmosphere is always going to be inferior to OT.
d) in its years of history, highbury never hosted games of the same quality as OT has, and will continue to do so, so i still dont see why a newer version of the same thing will somehow change all this.
e) The future: Whereas we built up, and continue to build up, incrementally, always pushing the capacity up by a few thousand here, a few thousand there, and always proceed to sell them out for season after season, highbury is a whole new thing, a large increases in prices for the tickets coupled with a very large increase in supply. This is typical of extremely shortsighted and greedy business ethics. We all know that if the supply of a good increases there is natural down wards pressure on the price, even if this pressure is not overriding. Furthermore, as the price increases there is some down wards pressure on demand. What we have here is two whammies, one weak, and one not o weak. the increase in prices is normal and to be expected, but a 33% increase in the supply of tickets to home games, from 40,000 to 60,000, could prove to be very significant. If there are any future problems filling up the stadium then arsenal could find themselves in real trouble, with less money for the debt, and higher interest rates, they do not have the slack for many negative shocks, so while they are on shaky ground, we are more stable(I know this sounds silly given the whole glazer situation, but even if i dont think they will be a)successful,, or b) good for the club, they clearly have the money to take care of the club, if not fulfill all our aspirations)

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Always the gorgeous version Miles. :D

[Miles Brasher]

I don't mean to offend, but for a club of Arsenal's size and history, your atmosphere is shocking, it really is. You'd never have guessed that you've won 13 league titles etc. Your stadium gets named "the library". It's not an attack on Arsenal, I think you're a good club, who play fantastic football but my club makes more noise than Arsenal and we have a capacity of 6000.

However that could all change with your new stadium, it looks the business, I can safely say I'm very jealous. :D


You're right to say Highbury has been pretty quiet for quiet a few years now. I think we're naturally not the most noisy fans, the stadium is pretty rubbish for acoustics, and I think that with 10 years of classy attacking football under our belts, a lot of fans just sit there waiting for something amazing to happen before creating some noise. The new stadium will definitely help. But to be honest I don't think we're any quieter than a lot of the Premiership grounds these days, and at least we haven't got some bloody drummer...

[Miles Brasher]

I'm actually living currently almost in the shadow of the emirates stadium, gotta say, it is impressive. but there are one or two things hampering it:
a) its a bastard to get to, small little roads all the way, except via Holloway road, and that takes you round an unbelievably long route to the entrance, so late arrivals at the game will be a constant feature of this new stadium.
b) It is based in a very residential area, the same as highbury, but this one will have to cater for many more numbers now, the roads, as i have said, are tiny, and i mean tiny, they have two floor buildings, almost bungalows, facing the stadium from the adjoining road. So there will be problems to begin with as the area grows accustomed to the new crowds.

So when you're late the first time, you leave earlier the next. Sorted

c) The inability of the arsenal crowd to raise the decibels, this will not be altered by a new pitch, they are infamous for being the most silent crowd in world football, what difference will a new ground make. So the atmosphere is always going to be inferior to OT.

In world football ? Really :rolleyes: The new ground will have much better acoustics, no gaps in the corners to let the sound out. So it will be better. BTW the OT atmosphere is nothing to write home about.


d) in its years of history, highbury never hosted games of the same quality as OT has, and will continue to do so, so i still dont see why a newer version of the same thing will somehow change all this.


That's true. Arsenal winning the league at OT was a great game. One of the best. However, I'd be interested in your proof that Highbury has never hosted gamesof the same quality as OT....


e) The future: Whereas we built up, and continue to build up, incrementally, always pushing the capacity up by a few thousand here, a few thousand there, and always proceed to sell them out for season after season, highbury is a whole new thing, a large increases in prices for the tickets coupled with a very large increase in supply. This is typical of extremely shortsighted and greedy business ethics. We all know that if the supply of a good increases there is natural down wards pressure on the price, even if this pressure is not overriding. Furthermore, as the price increases there is some down wards pressure on demand. What we have here is two whammies, one weak, and one not o weak. the increase in prices is normal and to be expected, but a 33% increase in the supply of tickets to home games, from 40,000 to 60,000, could prove to be very significant. If there are any future problems filling up the stadium then arsenal could find themselves in real trouble, with less money for the debt, and higher interest rates, they do not have the slack for many negative shocks, so while they are on shaky ground, we are more stable(I know this sounds silly given the whole glazer situation, but even if i dont think they will be a)successful,, or b) good for the club, they clearly have the money to take care of the club, if not fulfill all our aspirations)

OK, this is pretty rubbish. One of the reasons Arsenal moved to the Grove, was the inability to be able to increase the capacity of Highbury. So anything other than building as big a stadium as possible that they're confident of filling would be stupid.
As for your great take on the finances, go away and do some research, and you'll see we're fine. Arsenal are refinancing the debt, will have the property income from Highbury, sold out the new stadium very quickly, and still have a waiting list for season tickets.

[Drench]

You're right to say Highbury has been pretty quiet for quiet a few years now. I think we're naturally not the most noisy fans, the stadium is pretty rubbish for acoustics, and I think that with 10 years of classy attacking football under our belts, a lot of fans just sit there waiting for something amazing to happen before creating some noise. The new stadium will definitely help. But to be honest I don't think we're any quieter than a lot of the Premiership grounds these days, and at least we haven't got some bloody drummer...

I've never understood why Arsenal was always so quiet, I can remember when you pinched the league off then "the untouchables" Liverpool in 1989, you'd never have guessed that Arsenal had won the league. It's been the same under Wenger as well, I'm sure a new stadium could spur on a new tradition at Arsenal. Nope Arsenal are not the most quiet team in the league, that award should sit with Middlesbrough. :D

I don't mind the odd drum here and there, it's mainly Pompey who use it for the full 90 minutes. :D

[Numquam Moribimur]

I don't mind the odd drum here and there, it's mainly Pompey who use it for the full 90 minutes. :D


I can't stand that ********ing bell :mad:

[footykid]

I'm actually living currently almost in the shadow of the emirates stadium, gotta say, it is impressive. but there are one or two things hampering it:
a) its a bastard to get to, small little roads all the way, except via Holloway road, and that takes you round an unbelievably long route to the entrance, so late arrivals at the game will be a constant feature of this new stadium.
b) It is based in a very residential area, the same as highbury, but this one will have to cater for many more numbers now, the roads, as i have said, are tiny, and i mean tiny, they have two floor buildings, almost bungalows, facing the stadium from the adjoining road. So there will be problems to begin with as the area grows accustomed to the new crowds.
c) The inability of the arsenal crowd to raise the decibels, this will not be altered by a new pitch, they are infamous for being the most silent crowd in world football, what difference will a new ground make. So the atmosphere is always going to be inferior to OT.
d) in its years of history, highbury never hosted games of the same quality as OT has, and will continue to do so, so i still dont see why a newer version of the same thing will somehow change all this.
e) The future: Whereas we built up, and continue to build up, incrementally, always pushing the capacity up by a few thousand here, a few thousand there, and always proceed to sell them out for season after season, highbury is a whole new thing, a large increases in prices for the tickets coupled with a very large increase in supply. This is typical of extremely shortsighted and greedy business ethics. We all know that if the supply of a good increases there is natural down wards pressure on the price, even if this pressure is not overriding. Furthermore, as the price increases there is some down wards pressure on demand. What we have here is two whammies, one weak, and one not o weak. the increase in prices is normal and to be expected, but a 33% increase in the supply of tickets to home games, from 40,000 to 60,000, could prove to be very significant. If there are any future problems filling up the stadium then arsenal could find themselves in real trouble, with less money for the debt, and higher interest rates, they do not have the slack for many negative shocks, so while they are on shaky ground, we are more stable(I know this sounds silly given the whole glazer situation, but even if i dont think they will be a)successful,, or b) good for the club, they clearly have the money to take care of the club, if not fulfill all our aspirations)

I can honestly saw however that the 7 or 8 times I've been to London (And I haven't been everywhere in London) that I've never gotten a car. Walking is just better, unless your going large distances in which case you have the tube. If London was a North American suburb than car accessibility would be an issue, but seeing as its not, it may be lower down on the list of "What our stadium needs" list.

In terms of games...I remeber quite a few Barca-Arsenal, Juve-Arsenal, Ajax, etc if these aren't crowd drawing games I'm not sure what would be...

Once the new stadium has a couple league games under its belt I think this discussion will have more fact and less proposition. Aslo incase you didn't know Arsene Wenger's first job maybe as a manager, he actually has a few business degree's, if you think he'd let the board run his team into the ground without a fight well, he wouldn't still be here.

[Miles Brasher]

I've never understood why Arsenal was always so quiet, I can remember when you pinched the league off then "the untouchables" Liverpool in 1989, you'd never have guessed that Arsenal had won the league. It's been the same under Wenger as well, I'm sure a new stadium could spur on a new tradition at Arsenal. Nope Arsenal are not the most quiet team in the league, that award should sit with Middlesbrough. :D

I don't mind the odd drum here and there, it's mainly Pompey who use it for the full 90 minutes. :D

:confused: You do realise we won it at Anfield, not Highbury ?

[Drench]

:confused: You do realise we won it at Anfield, not Highbury ?

Yeah I know, but I'm talking about the aftermath, I know a lot of Arsenal fans and they didn't go "wild" shall we say. I was probably more excited and I don't even support Arsenal. :D