Any Consensus FIFA adding/removing qualifier slots?

[Totallyemo]

What do you all think about FIFA taking away slots from Africa/Asia/North America and or adding slots for Oceania/South America/Europe? Has it gotten bad enough yet that something need be done?

Personally, I think Africa/Asia/North America should all lose 1 slot, giving one each to south amrica, Europe and Oceania(taking away oceania's ".5" slot and giving them a true one).

[footballfreak]

What do you all think about FIFA taking away slots from Africa/Asia/North America and or adding slots for Oceania/South America/Europe? Has it gotten bad enough yet that something need be done?

Personally, I think Africa/Asia/North America should all lose 1 slot, giving one each to south amrica, Europe and Oceania(taking away oceania's ".5" slot and giving them a true one).

Seriously?

You want to give a free pass to a "confederation" (i use the term loosely) whose entire membership consists of:

New Zealand
Fiji
Tahiti
Solomon Islands
Vanuatu
New Caledonia
Papua New Guinea
Cook Islands
American Samoa
Samoa
Tongo

Of course, when Kiribati and Niue get their $hit together and join fifa, then maybe you'll have a case. ;)

[Totallyemo]

Seriously?

You want to give a free pass to a "confederation" (i use the term loosely) whose entire membership consists of:



Of course, when Kiribati and Niue get their $hit together and join fifa, then maybe you'll have a case. ;)

Umm, ever heard of Australia? They performed better than any African nation ever and yet come from a region that's only allocated 0.5 qualifying slots, while Africa gets like 5-6? TEN TIMES AS MANY SLOTS? I think it's quite a "case".

[Ombak]

Umm, ever heard of Australia? They performed better than any African nation ever and yet come from a region that's only allocated 0.5 qualifying slots, while Africa gets like 5-6? TEN TIMES AS MANY SLOTS? I think it's quite a "case".Australia qualifies out of AFC.

"Since when", you ask?

Since not very long ago. This will be their first qualifying campaign since being invited to play in AFC.

[Ombak]

Umm, ever heard of Australia? They performed better than any African nation ever and yet come from a region that's only allocated 0.5 qualifying slots, while Africa gets like 5-6? TEN TIMES AS MANY SLOTS? I think it's quite a "case".Oh, and I just read the rest of the post now.

Ever heard of Cameroon? They did a little better than Australia.

[guado]

Oh, and I just read the rest of the post now.

Ever heard of Cameroon? They did a little better than Australia.

noob ombak.

he also has never heard of senegal


he also doesn't seem to like the world aspect of the cup


They performed better than any African nation ever and yet come from a region that's only allocated 0.5 qualifying slots, while Africa gets like 5-6? TEN TIMES AS MANY SLOTS? I think it's quite a "case".


about one out of every ten african teams qualify. only asia and oceania had worse ratios(deservedly so, but it can be debated.)

its odd. there are african fan boys like vancity eagle wanting more spots for africa, and aussie fan boys wanting less for africa.

who's right?

who cares.

the truth is oceania is fairly weak, and hadn't proven themslevs before this cup (how many teams had lost the playoff? how many times?) it's also a confederation made up of mostly small island nations, and now with australia gone, they have along way to go to get a whole slot.

[Totallyemo]

Australia, losing only to a last minute dive and nearly beating the winner os the world cup, impressed me more than Senegal, but i should have been more clear I guess. I'm basing this on FIFA's claim that they "look at the most recent world cup performances" to determine slot changes, which I assume means the last 2-3. I also wasn't aware of Australia's change in status. So I'd change my original position: Africa and North America should lose a slot and South American and Europe should gain one.

[nicephoras]

Moved to the appropriate forum.

[Seraphium]

Umm, ever heard of Australia? They performed better than any African nation ever ,

Um No they have not performed better than any african nation ever

infact they have not even performed better than any ever Asian nation YET.

Btw for a nation such as Africa with all the problems they have, i find it amazing at some of the quality players and teams they produce as compared to richer nations.

[Sagy]

Australia, losing only to a last minute dive and nearly beating the winner os the world cup, impressed me more than Senegal, but i should have been more clear I guess. I'm basing this on FIFA's claim that they "look at the most recent world cup performances" to determine slot changes, which I assume means the last 2-3. I also wasn't aware of Australia's change in status. So I'd change my original position: Africa and North America should lose a slot and South American and Europe should gain one.
While I agree that some confederations should lose a spot (or at least 1/2 a spot) the first one should be AFC. All you have to do is look at results (not opinions). AFC, even with Australia, has not done as well as CONCACAF or CAF over the last 2-3 WCs (confederations as a whole, not individual teams).

[Caesar]

CONCACAF and OFC are two confederations where the disparity between the good teams and the rest of the confederation has been too much. AFC has this problem as well, but not nearly as badly - it also helps that they have a greater number of teams in the 'good' group, which makes competition for places a lot better.

So while you can fix the problems in AFC by culling spots, I don't think this is the solution for CONCACAF. Maybe dropping half a spot wouldn't be a totally bad idea, but I think something like merging with CONMEBOL would do more to keep the countries on their toes.

[Totallyemo]

While I agree that some confederations should lose a spot (or at least 1/2 a spot) the first one should be AFC. All you have to do is look at results (not opinions). AFC, even with Australia, has not done as well as CONCACAF or CAF over the last 2-3 WCs (confederations as a whole, not individual teams).

Last two world cups:
Asia
8-7-15
Africa
7-9-16
(both have won or tied 50% of their games)
Asia
3 round of 16 berths
1 quarterfinal berth
1 semifinal berth
Africa
2 round of 16 berths
1 quarterfinal berth

So where do you come off saying it's obvious Asia has done worse than Africa? Clearly that is not the case judging from this, which clearly demonstartes Africa has performed less well than Asia.

[Totallyemo]

CONCACAF and OFC are two confederations where the disparity between the good teams and the rest of the confederation has been too much. AFC has this problem as well, but not nearly as badly - it also helps that they have a greater number of teams in the 'good' group, which makes competition for places a lot better.

So while you can fix the problems in AFC by culling spots, I don't think this is the solution for CONCACAF. Maybe dropping half a spot wouldn't be a totally bad idea, but I think something like merging with CONMEBOL would do more to keep the countries on their toes.

Well, if I could mess around with things to that degree. I'd pull Turkey out of Europe and put it in the AFC. Then I'd leave their spots alone. I'd take one spot away from Africa and one spot away from North America. I'd make the Carribean islands their own region and alot them .5 spot playoff with North America(NA might lose 1.5 slots then). Then I'd give one more spot to Europe and one more spot to Sout America.

[Cannon]

So while you can fix the problems in AFC by culling spots, I don't think this is the solution for CONCACAF. Maybe dropping half a spot wouldn't be a totally bad idea, but I think something like merging with CONMEBOL would do more to keep the countries on their toes.I'd leave the 3.5 for Concacaf alone but have that .5 be against the CONMEBOL .5 instead of Asia.

[arigato]

Australia, losing only to a last minute dive and nearly beating the winner os the world cup, impressed me more than Senegal, but i should have been more clear I guess. I'm basing this on FIFA's claim that they "look at the most recent world cup performances" to determine slot changes, which I assume means the last 2-3. I also wasn't aware of Australia's change in status. So I'd change my original position: Africa and North America should lose a slot and South American and Europe should gain one.


Throwing bumbling defenders at the feet of the opposition in their own penalty area in the last minute of the game and not scoring a single goal while up a man most of the game didnt convince me they were better than the team they played. Ghana played much better than Australia did this world cup.

[vancity eagle]

lets look at this wc ASIa (not including AUS)

Japan last in group 1 point
Iran last in group 1 point
S Arabia last in group 1 point
Korea 3rd in group 4 points

Even Korea struggled against 10 man Togo, fluked a tie against France.

AFrica

Ghana 2nd in GOD 6 points (beat highly ranked Czechs)
Ivory Coast 3rd 3 points GOD as well poor officiating agaisnt Holland denied them at least 2 penalties
Angola 3rd 2 points
Tunisia 3rd 1 point
Togo 4th 0 points

if u really think Asia is better than Africa I feel sorry for u as a soccer fan. The only time Asia has ever accomplished anything was when Korea and Japan were hosts and had dodgy officiating to help them progress, other than that they have done absolutely nothing. But I expect your postings to have no basis since you believe New Zealand deserves a free ticket to the world cup.

[guado]

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its odd. there are african fan boys like vancity eagle wanting more spots for africa, and aussie fan boys wanting less for africa.


not a surprise.

there was once a team named uruguay, won two cups.

ecuador was placed with poland, who was supposed to (supposed to) be a strong team after their run in qualifying, where they got second and went directly (even though that group was a joke as well.)

costa rica just wasn't the same costa rica as the past cup either.

conmebol has a similar case to caf in the sense that they always have their underperformers, who left "better" teams at home during qualifiers.

the people who most fervently support re-allignment usually feel cheated in some sense - "my team is better, the teams that went sucked, blah blah blah..."

rantings from vancity eagle.

there's nothing terribly wrong with the alignment. some minor tweakings are welcome.

but , if your team can't qualify go complain to them, your FA, before you say the distribution of spots is off.


Asia
3 round of 16 berths
1 quarterfinal berth
1 semifinal berth
Africa
2 round of 16 berths
1 quarterfinal berth

asia - 2 round of sixteen teams. of course, since you're trying to stack the argument in your favor, you'll count australia(or i guess, since they recently moved.)

and both of those teams were hosts.

give two african nations the chance to co-host, and along with lucky calls, both could make to the final to make an all african final.

[Totallyemo]

Ghana shouldn't have even made it out of the group stages. And you dare talk about an favoritism in past world cups? LOL. FIFA isn't known to take responsibility for such foolishness anyway, and so we are left with the fact that Asia has been better than Africa in the last two world cups. End of story, afrocentric crap notwithstanding.

[shinzui]

UEFA had 13.5 spots in 2002, and they were reduced to 13 in 2006 with Germany qualifying as a 14th as the host. I don't think they should be increased, but they deserve to get their 2002 level of 13.5 back again. Which means the 0.5 has to come from somewhere else. Easiest is to reduce AFC and OFC to 0.25. Get rid of the 5th vs. 6th AFC playoff and turn that into an AFC 5th vs. OFC 1st for the right to play UEFA.

Have the CONCACAF 4th play the CONMEBOL 5th and there is no problem. Would people still be complaining if the two playoffs had resulted in Australia and Uruguay qualifying for this WC? If the playoff games had been Bahrain vs. Australia, and Trinidad vs. Uruguay instead of what they were there would not have been any problems with the way World Cup spots were allocated.

Host 1
UEFA 13.5
CAF 5
CONCACAF 3.5
CONMEBOL 4.5
AFC 4
OFC/AFC 0.5

[Sagy]

Last two world cups:
Asia
8-7-15
Africa
7-9-16
(both have won or tied 50% of their games)
Asia
3 round of 16 berths
1 quarterfinal berth
1 semifinal berth
Africa
2 round of 16 berths
1 quarterfinal berth

So where do you come off saying it's obvious Asia has done worse than Africa? Clearly that is not the case judging from this, which clearly demonstartes Africa has performed less well than Asia.

The facts!

Last 3 WCs (R16 - teams in the R16, Poor - last and winless or 3rd with a tie and two losses)

Conf Teams P W T L Pts Win% R16 Poor
AFC 12 41 7 9 25 30 28.0 2 8
AFC* 13 45 8 10 27 34 28.9 3 8
CAF 15 49 10 15 24 45 35.7 3 6

* - Including AustraliaAdvantage CAF

Last 2 WCs

Conf Teams P W T L Pts Win% R16 Poor
AFC 8 29 6 7 16 22 32.8 2 5
AFC* 9 33 7 8 18 27 33.3 3 5
CAF 10 33 7 9 17 30 34.8 2 4

* - Including AustraliaCAF is still better.
I think that you counted South Korea - Spain in 2002 as a win (it is recorded as a tie) and that you missed 3 AFC loses (China or Saudi Arabia or 2002)

If we exclude host teams for the last 2 WCs we get:

Conf Teams P W T L Pts Win% R16 Poor
AFC 6 18 1 4 13 9 16.7 - 5
AFC* 7 22 2 5 15 14 20.5 1 5
CAF 10 33 7 9 17 30 34.8 2 4

* - Including AustraliaNot even close.

Neither confederation has a record they can brag about, but CAF has clearly done better than AFC (even if Australia is included in AFC).