Best goal NEVER scored...

[Zuras]

By that, I mean a goal that was clearly not a goal (for whatever reason) but was counted as such anyway.

[Zuras]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrgwQ5ckCSk&mode=related&search=wembley%20football%20

1966 World Cup finals, Germany versus England. England gets into the finals under the dubious cloak of numerous questionable calls. The game goes back and forth, locking about at 2-2. Then Engalnd gets a shot off that hits the top bar, clearly not passing across the goal line. The Russian linesman cliams it's a goal, goal England 3-2.

The second goal comes after all the Germans go on the attack since the game was in it's last minute. And they end up in a position like they were after that first goal against Italy in WC 2006(only in this case there were hudreds of fans pouring onto the field while the game still was supposed to be going on). England's only WC victory won by the greatest goal never scored.

[Twenty26Six]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrgwQ5ckCSk&mode=related&search=wembley%20football%20

1950 World Cup finals, Germany versus England. England gets into the finals under the dubious cloak of numerous questionable calls. The game goes back and forth, locking about at 2-2. Then Engalnd gets a shot off that hits the top bar, clearly not passing across the goal line. The Russian linesman cliams it's a goal, goal England 3-2.

The second goal comes after all the Germans go on the attack since the game was in it's last minute. And they end up in a position like they were after that first goal against Italy in WC 2006. England's only WC victory won by the greatest goal never scored.

1966 WC Finals.

[Zuras]

1966 WC Finals.

LOL. Good call. What happend in 1950??? Er. Oh, I know why i switched them around.

[smithfan]

1966.

Thanks to the russian linesman.

[RichardL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrgwQ5ckCSk&mode=related&search=wembley%20football%20

1966 World Cup finals, Germany versus England. England gets into the finals under the dubious cloak of numerous questionable calls. The game goes back and forth, locking about at 2-2. Then Engalnd gets a shot off that hits the top bar, clearly not passing across the goal line. The Russian linesman cliams it's a goal, goal England 3-2.

The second goal comes after all the Germans go on the attack since the game was in it's last minute. And they end up in a position like they were after that first goal against Italy in WC 2006(only in this case there were hudreds of fans pouring onto the field while the game still was supposed to be going on). England's only WC victory won by the greatest goal never scored.
Germany's second should have been disallowed for offside, so three goals should have been wiped out.

I don't think anyone would claim the third goal crossed the line now, but sadly the referee and linesman didn't have the benefit of 40 years of frame by frame video analysis to fall back on. Yeah, the linesman was surely biased in his decision to give it, but it still took him a long time to make the decision, only after being asked by the ref. People seem to make out it was nowhere near and he decided to give it anyway, to the utter surprise of everyone in the stadium.


And there were not hundreds of people on the pitch. I think it was 3 people, on the far edge, not in the ref's line of vision. A slight difference.

Some people are just obsessed with conspiracy theories. We've been on the end of a good few dubious calls and you don't hear us going on about FIFA rigging the world cup, or refs being bought if it happens. Refs just aren't that good, and linesmen are officials who aren't good enough to refs. Get a grip and get over it.

[Zuras]

Germany's second should have been disallowed for offside, so three goals should have been wiped out.

LOL. I just posted the video. Your offisedes nonsense is just that, nonsense. Go watch it. There is a redshirt humping the ball the entire time.


I don't think anyone would claim the third goal crossed the line now, but sadly the referee and linesman didn't have the benefit of 40 years of frame by frame video analysis to fall back on.


You don't need it. Anyone that's been around football awhile knows that a ball will not bounce like that if it was in, only if it was out. when it goes in, it reflects in, when it's out it goes straight down or reflects out.


And there were not hundreds of people on the pitch. I think it was 3 people, on the far edge, not in the ref's line of vision. A slight difference.


Just because you only see three does not mean there were only three.

[RichardL]

LOL. I just posted the video. Your offisedes nonsense is just that, nonsense. Go watch it. There is a redshirt humping the ball the entire time.

I've no idea how that negates the offside. There was a German player in advanced position out wide. These days it wouldn't be offside, but back then, it should have been.



You don't need it. Anyone that's been around football awhile knows that a ball will not bounce like that if it was in, only if it was out. when it goes in, it reflects in, when it's out it goes straight down or reflects out.

do you know what backspin is?

there's a very famous goal here, the reverse of that decision, from an FA Cup semi-final from the min 1990s. Chesterfield of the lower divisions were leading Middlesbrough 2-0 in the second half and had a shot come down off the crossbar and bounce out. Had it be given, as it should have been, Chesterfield would surely have made the FA Cup final. As it was Boro pulled back to 2-2 and won the replay. That ball was half a yard over the line and still bounced out. Hell, what about Zidane's chipped penalty in the world Cup final? Are you going to tell me that can't have been a goal either?



Just because you only see three does not mean there were only three.
Oh, right, so you've seen absolutely nothing to back up your claim, but you stick with, but the photographs that show the three people who ran on clearly don't tell the whole story?


Are you just making this up as you go along in you quest to show that you are a real German, rather than american looking for an identity?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Are you seriously trying to debate '66 Richard? I don't think you want to open that particular can of worms. The most corrupt WC in history.

[Stud83]

Wasn't there a study done in the mid 90s that officially proved the ball didn't cross the line? 30 years after the fact. That says a lot. The first time you see the shot it's almost impossible to tell whether the goal was scored or not. The ball was literally 3 inches from fully crossing the line - can't really blame assistant for that.

[Zuras]

Are you just making this up as you go along in you quest to show that you are a real German, rather than american looking for an identity?

Umm, I'm judging it by what the players and fans later said. You know, the people that were there? I'm a Canadian-born American, and a full-blood Scot. But I don't care about Celtic because they are crap football. Are you upset that England has never won a legit world cup, trying to project your insecurities on me?

[Zuras]

there's a very famous goal here, the reverse of that decision, from an FA Cup semi-final from the min 1990s. Chesterfield of the lower divisions were leading Middlesbrough 2-0 in the second half and had a shot come down off the crossbar and bounce out. Had it be given, as it should have been, Chesterfield would surely have made the FA Cup final. As it was Boro pulled back to 2-2 and won the replay. That ball was half a yard over the line and still bounced out. Hell, what about Zidane's chipped penalty in the world Cup final? Are you going to tell me that can't have been a goal either?


http://youtube.com/watch?v=33eniKNFTio&search=zidane%20italy

Watch the replay from the side. As I said, if it's in, it will go in. If it's out, it will hit the line or stay out. In a near elastic collision such as this, friction has near negligible impact on the reflection. I'd LOOOOVE to see a video of otherwise. I'm sure you can find one, right?

[RichardL]

Umm, I'm judging it by what the players and fans later said. You know, the people that were there? I'm a Canadian-born American, and a full-blood Scot. But I don't care about Celtic because they are crap football. Are you upset that England has never won a legit world cup, trying to project your insecurities on me?
my insecurities?

you're the one still bitter about a 40 year old match. what is this? some kind of "look how scottish I am" kick or something? You aren't Scottish, and all the pretend bitterness towards England won't make it so.

I mean, jeez, I'm english and I've only ever seen highlights of our "greatest hour" once ever. It was 40 years ago. Let it drop.


It was a controversial goal - of that there is no dispute. It was a wrong decision - of that there is no dispute. But a wrong decision doesn't make it evidence of corruption. Or was the ref bought too, as he clearly didn't know either?

Yep, I'm sure we bribed the linesman to give us a goal if the ball bounced off the line very quickly - that sort of thing is so easy to set up isn't it?


http://youtube.com/watch?v=33eniKNFT...dane%2 0italy

Watch the replay from the side. As I said, if it's in, it will go in. If it's out, it will hit the line or stay out. In a near elastic collision such as this, friction has near negligible impact on the reflection. I'd LOOOOVE to see a video of otherwise. I'm sure you can find one, right?

so are you trying to claim Zidane's goal didn't go in?

[RichardL]

Are you seriously trying to debate '66 Richard? I don't think you want to open that particular can of worms. The most corrupt WC in history.
You're right. Scotland could have won it, but we bribed them to be too crap to qualify.

Definitely suspicious though - after all, host nations usually do so poorly in their own world cups don't they?

It was before I was born and consequently the only pleasure I can get out of it is knowing just how much it annoys the Scots.

[Zuras]

you're the one still bitter about a 40 year old match. what is this? some kind of "look how scottish I am" kick or something? You aren't Scottish, and all the pretend bitterness towards England won't make it so.


Huh? I'm not bitter about anything. You seem to be. I made this thread and just let it sit, hoping someone would post something. So then I figured, "hey, why don't I provide a per4fect example of what I'm talking about." And so I did. Then you went into crybaby mode.



It was a controversial goal - of that there is no dispute. It was a wrong decision - of that there is no dispute.


A perfect god damn example, then, "old chap"? Just like it was supposed to be.


"But a wrong decision doesn't make it evidence of corruption. Or was the ref bought too, as he clearly didn't know either?"


Have you read at all and/or watched at all that world cup? It was dirtiest, most corrupt WC since Italy's 1930s world cup.



so are you trying to claim Zidane's goal didn't go in?

I don't even know where the hell you got that from. You can clearly see it REFLECTS IN.

[unclesox]

Watch the replay from the side. As I said, if it's in, it will go in. If it's out, it will hit the line or stay out. In a near elastic collision such as this, friction has near negligible impact on the reflection. I'd LOOOOVE to see a video of otherwise. I'm sure you can find one, right?
Not sure if this is what you're talking about, but in the 1986 World Cup match Brazil v Spain, about five minutes into the 2nd half, a Spanish corner from the left was chested down by Michel at the edge of the box and slammed right-footed against the underside of the crossbar. The ball rebounded down about a yard or two behind the goalline and bounced back out into play where it was cleared. No goal was awarded, but replays from the side view clearly showed the ball crossing the line.
Anyone who watched that match will surely remember that play.
I still have the full match on video but I'm a novice with computers and have no idea how to upload videotapes and whatnot for all to see.

[TomEaton]

We were talking about the disputed goal from the finals, though. I don't know about the rest of the tournament, and at least for purposes of this thread it isn't relevant.

Another famous World Cup goal-that-shouldn't-have-been was the Maradona Hand of God goal from 1986. I didn't see that game live and in those days nobody I knew talked about the World Cup, so I must have seen that replay (at full speed) five or ten times over the next few years before I realized that it was such a famous play because it was a hand ball.

[RichardL]

Huh? I'm not bitter about anything. You seem to be. I made this thread and just let it sit, hoping someone would post something. So then I figured, "hey, why don't I provide a per4fect example of what I'm talking about." And so I did. Then you went into crybaby mode.

don't be pathetic. I've not once suggested the goal should have been allowed, just that nobody back then had the benefit of slow-motion TV replays.

I just rubbished your idea that "hundreds" of fans were on the pitch.

I also said that Germany's equaliser (by the rules of the day) should have been disallowed, which makes it also a goal that shouldn't have been.


Have you read at all and/or watched at all that world cup? It was dirtiest, most corrupt WC since Italy's 1930s world cup.

I guess we bribed Portugal to kick lumps out of Brazil too.
I guess the post-match description of the Argentina team being like animals was a referrence to them being cute and furry. Although no doubt England bribed them to be dirty too.

I mean, the evidence...

a sending off v Argentina
a controversial goal-line decision.

Well clearly that's overwhelming evidence of corruption.



I don't even know where the hell you got that from. You can clearly see it REFLECTS IN.
And you were 100% certain before seeing the replay?

I'm just saying that a ball can bounce out even if it does cross the line. You make it sound like a backspinning ball boucing out is an impossibility worthy of inclusion by The Warren Commission.

And what kind of fan talks about shots being "reflected in"? Is the crossbar made out of mirrors or something?

[smithfan]

I'm certainly not bitter about it. At least, the English got what they deserved - a penalty curse :D

[Stud83]

As I said, if it's in, it will go in. If it's out, it will hit the line or stay out.

Try to watch more soccer games and replays, you'll see plenty of those goals.

Don't remember '86, but I remeber at least 2 goals scored in the past 7 months which were hit off the post, clearly crossed the line and bounced back.

One of them was that crazy Boro-Tottenham game in December which ended 3-3, Frack Queudrue's header went in off the bar and bounced out. The goal counted.
Another one - one of the first MLS games this season - Chivas vs. DC United. Chivas got a free-kick with about 5 min left in the game, the shot hit off the bar, bounced in and out. The goal didn't count.