Best goal NEVER scored...

[Teso Dos Bichos]

We were talking about the disputed goal from the finals, though. I don't know about the rest of the tournament, and at least for purposes of this thread it isn't relevant.

Richard is trying to claim that the only dubious event from that tournament was the controversial goal in the final, when there are actually countless events that taint the '66 finals. It is therefore a relevant point of discussion.

[RichardL]

Richard is trying to claim that the only dubious event from that tournament was the controversial goal in the final, when there are actually countless events that taint the '66 finals. It is therefore a relevant point of discussion.
countless?

Name 483 of them then. For starters.


How many world cups don't have controversial goals?

[Sagy]

Back to the subject of the thread.

How about Maradona's hand of god goal?

[Zuras]

Back to the subject of the thread.

How about Maradona's hand of god goal?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkWXKolHoY&search=maradonna%20england

Karma? Hah.

[Zuras]

Try to watch more soccer games and replays, you'll see plenty of those goals.



Tens of thousands of football games at google video or youtube. Go find one that's completely in and reflects out. You won't. It's impossible. The only way that could happen would be if the bar was made out of something softer than the soccer ball. Basic physics and basic football knowledge. It is possible for the ball to hit the crossbar "out" of the goal but spin in on the way down, however.

The reality is the Russian lineman could not have seen the ball go into the goal because it never went into the goal. He called it a goal though, despite that very obvious fact. If he couldn't tell, it should have been no goal.

[nicephoras]

Kids, play nice, or else this thread will be closed, or, even worse, moved to world rivalries.

[Zuras]

A funny side note about that controversial world cup:

Check out the adidas commercial you were no doubt bombarded with if you watched the world cup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkmrbsNl-Sg&search=adidas%20world%20cup%20part%203


That's Lampard isn't it? Wonder how many people "caught" the connection in that last "goal".

[dor02]

The Hand Of God is pretty special but my nomination goes to Belgian forward Jan Ceulemans.

It was the 77th minute of the Belgium vs USSR second round match in 1986 and Ceulemans received a long ball from an offside position. He controlled the ball on the chest, turned and placed his angular drive low at the far post.

Paulo Wanchope deserves a mention too after what happened in the Germany vs Costa Rica match last month.

[Zuras]

Paulo Wanchope deserves a mention too after what happened in the Germany vs Costa Rica match last month.

Indeed. I've never seen a world cup match where the same player scored two "goals" that were never a goal at all. FIFA really seemed to want to screw Germany over this whole World Cup.

Actually, I just looked back at that game(I recorded all but 2-4 of this WC games) and the first one would be a difficult call to make. The second one was pretty obvious, though. The first one he appears just barely offside, but since the camera is positioned on all the replays in a 10 o' clock position and the player to gauge if he was offsides or not is closestto the cameraman, I have no doubt that with a 12 o'clock view of the linesman it should have been much easier to see as clearly offsides. There was just no excuse for letting that second goal go in, though, as the linesmen should have been doubly on at attention after the first questionable call.

[RichardL]

Tens of thousands of football games at google video or youtube. Go find one that's completely in and reflects out. You won't. It's impossible.

Chesterfield v Boro. FA Cup semi-final in the mid 90s. I've already stated it. It happened. the ball was shown to be over the line. It bounced out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesterfield

The team's most notable achievement of recent years occurred in 1997, when they reached the semi-final of the FA Cup, losing to Middlesbrough in a replay following a 3-3 draw at Old Trafford. It turned out to be one of the most controversial games in recent history with Chesterfield having a goal not given when referee David Elleray decided the ball had not crossed the goal line from a Jonathan Howard shot, a decision which was later proved incorrect by video replays.

no picture, but there wasn't much youtube footage about in 1997.

It doesn't matter how much you claim it is impossible, it doesn't alter the fact that it has happened.

Now unless you carried out (or know of) a scientific study to prove it is impossible for a ball to bounce out due to backspin, then the evidence of it actually happening rather points towards you being wrong. Your "theory" isn't proof, it's just your threory.

here's referee david elleray's take on it.
David Elleray, the referee, admitted as much after the game. With the score at 2-1 to the tiddlers, Chesterfield's Jonathan Howard hit a fierce shot which rebounded off the crossbar and over the Middlesbrough goal-line. Elleray originally suggested that he had blown for a foul by Andy Morris, but after watching the video replay clearly changed his mind. "I've seen the video and I accept the ball crossed the line," he said. At 3-1 it would surely have been lights out for Middlesbrough.

I guess it must have just broken the laws of physics then? and those TV replays must have all been wrong.


Nobody here is claiming England's 3rd went in, but to claim it is impossible for such a shot to cross the line and bounce out is a rather unconvincing claim.

[Zuras]

Still waiting for your video evidence, not more blathering from the intellectual wags of England.

As a side note:
It's clear from the video that it did not go in. There's no way he SAW IT GO IN. Do you understand? That was no honest mistake because he could have never seen it go in.

[Stud83]

Tens of thousands of football games at google video or youtube. Go find one that's completely in and reflects out.

Since when did google or youtube start showing football games? Or you mean your knowledge of most games is limited to 30 second highlights from the above mentioned sites?
I just listed 2 goals on the previous page. The fact that you haven't seen is entirely your problem, don't you agree? If you don't believe me, go to club forums and search for discussion threads during/after the games I mentioned, and ask there - maybe someone has those videos. Both times the ball clearly went in off the bar and bounced out.

[nicephoras]

It's clear from the video that it did not go in. There's no way he SAW IT GO IN. Do you understand? That was no honest mistake because he could have never seen it go in.

That's why its called a MISTAKE.
Do you understand?

[Prenn]

That's why its called a MISTAKE.
Do you understand?

No he doesn't. Time to close this thread, do you agree?

[Zuras]

Since when did google or youtube start showing football games? Or you mean your knowledge of most games is limited to 30 second highlights from the above mentioned sites?


Uh, duh. Like a ball going completely in and hitting the bar and then bouncing out would not make the highlights, huh? DUH.

I just listed 2 goals on the previous page. The fact that you haven't seen is entirely your problem, don't you agree?


Nope. I looked. Didn't happen that way. You were completely wrong. Disagree? Prove it.

Both times the ball clearly went in off the bar and bounced out.

What do you mean "went in off the bar"? The ball went completely over the goal line and then reflected out? IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, not including tornado force winds or the bar being made out of styrofoam. What COULD have happened is the ball going passed the bar and hitting the net, then bouncing out.

[Zuras]

That's why its called a MISTAKE.
Do you understand?

How could it be a mistake? He wasn't mistaken. He could not have possibly seen that as in because it never goes in.That was a purposeful call. If it had gone in and he called it that it did not go in, THAT could have been an honest mistake. Not seeing something is quite different from "seeing" something that was never there to see to begin with. One is a mistake, and one is purposeful mistruth.

[nicephoras]

No he doesn't. Time to close this thread, do you agree?

Yup.

[nicephoras]

This thread has been provisionally re-opened, but any more trolling will see it closed - permanently this time.

[Stud83]

What do you mean "went in off the bar"? The ball went completely over the goal line and then reflected out? IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, not including tornado force winds or the bar being made out of styrofoam. What COULD have happened is the ball going passed the bar and hitting the net, then bouncing out


To quote a certain sports brand commercial... Impossible is nothing ;)

Just wanted to post a link of a goal scored by Ryan Giggs against Ajax over the weekend. The ball hits off the top of the bar, bounces over the line, and then back out.

http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=Ajax_vs_Manchester_United___0___1_Ryan_Giggs.zip

[unclesox]

To quote a certain sports brand commercial... Impossible is nothing ;)

Just wanted to post a link of a goal scored by Ryan Giggs against Ajax over the weekend. The ball hits off the top of the bar, bounces over the line, and then back out.

http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=Ajax_vs_Manchester_United___0___1_Ryan_Giggs.zip
Repped. :)
Same thing happened with Spain -v- Brazil in 1986 as I mentioned earlier. Only in that case the goal wasn't given although the side replay showed the whole of the ball clearly bounced passed the line.
Yes, it can happen, folks.