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GrandeCannavaro
13 Jul 2006, 05:59 PM
I saw this posted on another thread and felt it deserved an easy to find reference. GuyArthur posted it on one of the Zidane-Materazzi official threads. (see after my commentary below)

There are 8 offenses for either punching, slapping, stomping or butting opponents. These read like a criminal's wrap sheet and he should consider himself lucky that he commits this violence on a field where he can't be arrested.

Now let me save many of the naysayers some trouble. Materazzi is no angel. In fact I will say he is dirty and aggressive and violent. But that doesn't matter. Who kept their cool and who lost it? I was on a internationally syndicated radio show before the final saying that I was a huge Italy fan, but also being a fan of Zidane, if Italy had to lose, I wouldn't mind seeing Zidane raise the trophy. That was of course before the final. So I have no axe to grind and simply have no problem calling it as it is. The truth of the matter is I don't know whether I am more shocked with what Zidane did or by the many who try and excuse it. He is an incredible football player. IMO, he remains in top of all time, even after the incident. But what he did was wrong. It was wrong for his image. It was wrong for his teammates. It was wrong for the sport. And it was wrong for the country he represents.

In the final, go back and watch a particular moment. Henry takes a soft shot in the 2nd half which Buffon easily blocks. After the block, Buffon walks up to Henry and they exchange words. Primarily because a French player had gone down, but Henry kept playing and took the shot while his teammate was down. I don't know exactly what Buffon says, but I'm sure it was something along the lines like why are you taking a weak shot when your man is down. However, Henry's reaction is very clear what he says, even to a non professional lip reader (being sarcastic here). He says "VAFA CULO" Go F Yourself. Now Buffon doesn't drop kick Henry. He shrugs it off, stays in the game, and then makes a great save against Zidane later in the game. I'm not telling this story because it was Henry saying something dirty to Buffon. If I can find an example of an Italian player saying something dirty to a French player and the French player not reacting, I will gladly note it as well. In fact, I'm comfortable saying that even though I don't have visual proof, I'm sure several Italian players said dirty things (as did French players) without French players blowing their tops and vice versa. And those French players stayed in the game, played their hearts out, and were around to make big plays that could have changed the game.

The difference is how Zidane reacted to the comments. And here are instances of his past. One or two incidents I could understand. But 8?
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Zinédine Zidane has been sent off 14 times in his career, two more than Vinnie Jones. Here are those red cards in full . . .

Sep 1993: Marcel Desailly, the Marseilles defender, punches him and the Bordeaux midfield player retaliates in kind.

Aug 1995: Slaps Thorsten Fink, a Karlsruhe player, in the face.

Oct 1995: Sees red for a tackle from behind on Frédéric Mendy, a Martigues player.

Sep 1996: At Juventus, sent off against Perugia after two bookings.

Jan 1997: Punches Enrico Chiesa, of Parma.

June 1998: Stamps on Fuad Amin, the Saudi Arabia captain, during World Cup finals.

Oct 1998: Commits a two-footed challenge on Paolo Sousa, the Inter Milan player.

Oct 1999: Receives a second yellow card for diving against AS Roma.

Sep 2000: Late challenge on Emerson, the Deportivo La Coruña midfield player, in Champions League.

Oct 2000: Butts Jochen Kientz, of SV Hamburg, and receives five-match ban.

Feb 2004: First sending-off at Real Madrid for thrusting hand into face of Pablo Alfaro, the Seville defender.

May 2004: Sent off for second booking after a rash challenge on Djalminha, the Deportivo midfield player.

April 2005: Tries to punch Quique Álvarez, the Villarreal defender.

July 2006: Butts Marco Materazzi in chest during World Cup final

Nanbawan
13 Jul 2006, 06:14 PM
It's pretty obvious than in this final, Zidane was walking away from the initial exchange of words, and Materazzi kept on abusing him. Now, there's also a big difference between saying '******** off' and what has been said apparently. Zidane is not the complete idiot you're trying to depict. In yesterday's interview, he clearly indicated that it went well beyond what you usually hear in a football match. ZZ is not a vicious or dirty player, but he doesn't cope well with constant aggression, that's a fact hence his record. Yet, most people will remain aware that he's far far more than the 'serial killer' you're describing...

GrandeCannavaro
13 Jul 2006, 06:26 PM
Now, there's also a big difference between saying '******** off' and what has been said apparently. ..

What was apparently said?????? Both Zidane and Materazzi have made statements (both of which were clearly understated). Zidane said it was above and beyond, Materazzi said it was the usual stuff.

You (as a French fan) tell me you want to believe Zidane. Of course you do, why wouldn't you? I may tell you I want to believe Materazzi. So who do we believe? I have presented proof with the 8 incidents that Zidane has a history of violence. So it appears there doesn't have to be extra mitigating circumstances for him to attack another player. Or are you saying in all those 8 cases he was insulted?

Can you show proof that Materazzi has badgered another player with his words enough to have himself attacked (EIGHT TIMES!!!!!!)

ElverGun
13 Jul 2006, 06:43 PM
Can you show proof that Materazzi has badgered another player with his words enough to have himself attacked (EIGHT TIMES!!!!!!)


And what would that prove? That Materazzi was able to get under the skin of eight idiots who then responded with violence?

I would rather have somebody offer evidence of racism on the part of Materazzi. Just one case of racist behavior would be enough.

TimB4Last
13 Jul 2006, 06:46 PM
Even over the course of a full career, that does seem like quite a number of violent incidents. I wonder if the Italians were aware just how volatile Zidane was/is.

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La Castellane bred them tough. A scout at one of Zidane's games in his early teens had concerns about the boy's apparent placidity. The concerns grew when he saw the young Zidane scythed down in a vicious tackle and fail to respond in any way other than standing up and brushing himself down to permit the game to go on.

As the game progressed the scout was bemused to see Zidane stroll slowly across the width of the pitch, locate his assailant, place a hand on each of his shoulders and stretch him out with a headbutt.

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Growing up, Zizou was interested in two things: football and judo. Football first, judo some way behind.

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The rest is history and headlines. Marcello Lippi, who manages Italy tomorrow night, brought Zidane to Juventus, where he was an integral part of the revolution whereby Lippi had brought the moribund old club back to life.

The Italians have always admired Zidane's quiet leadership, and at the 1998 World Cup, Cesar Maldini, the Italian manager, noted he would give "five players to have Zizou in my squad".

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Zidane's displays in the latter rounds are fondly remembered. But what is often forgotten is his ugly foul on Al Shahrani, the Saudi Arabian on whom he stamped on in the first-round game, bringing a two-match suspension on himself. Zidane said afterwards the Saudi captain had made a slur against the Kabyles, the Muslim nomads of North Africa from whom Zidane is descended.

Whatever the motivation, Zidane's retribution almost cost France dearly. The next game for France was unimportant, but the second-round game with Paraguay was different and the French struggled, needing an extra-time goal from Laurent Blanc to squeeze through.

That temperament, especially in games where his desire is great, has proven to be his one hint of an Achilles heel. Back in 2000 he was sent off in successive Champions League games for Juventus. The second red was for headbutting the Hamburg player Jochen Kientz after a bad tackle. Some things never change.

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Regardless of what tomorrow night brings, his legend will be intact. What France achieved in 1998 was sufficient to ensure that. The follow-on two years later ensured Zidane would be remembered as one of the greatest players ever.

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Hmmm ... very interesting - written the day before the Final, obviously. The whole article is interesting, actually, with several clues to what happened last Sunday between Zidane and Materazzi.

Next week's meeting should be very interesting indeed!

TimB4Last
13 Jul 2006, 06:56 PM
If I were an attorney arguing that my client is not a violent player, Zidane would not be my ideal client.

If I were an attorney arguing that my client is not a dirty player, Materazzi would not be my ideal client.

We know Zidane's violent headbutt was not excusable. Case closed.

We don't know exactly what Materazzi said (and did!), information we need before we decide that his conduct was excusable. Case very much open.

GrandeCannavaro
13 Jul 2006, 06:58 PM
[QUOTE=ElverGun]And what would that prove? That Materazzi was able to get under the skin of eight idiots who then responded with violence?

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It would prove that Materazzi is so skilled with his choice of words that he can magically cause uncontrollable ire. He certainly would be a man of a special talent. I could see a new position created for him on the field-- The Instigator. Whenever you need to shut down a star player, don't bother putting your best defender on him, just assign him to the instigator. : )

BTW, if it is discovered that what he said was rascist, then Materazzi should be punished. No doubt. But if it's something about his mother, sister, wife, even calling them sluts, hookers, whores, whatever. Please. That's no reason to retire in shame. Materazzi may be a scum bag, but then Zidane is a complete idiot.

GrandeCannavaro
13 Jul 2006, 07:07 PM
If I were an attorney arguing that my client is not a violent player, Zidane would not be my ideal client.

If I were an attorney arguing that my client is not a dirty player, Materazzi would not be my ideal client.

We know Zidane's violent headbutt was not excusable. Case closed.

We don't know exactly what Materazzi said (and did!), information we need before we decide that his conduct was excusable. Case very much open.

Great post. My problem with all this started from the second I heard all the excuses for Zidane about why he had (mind you, not MAY have had) a reason. I'm interested to know the reason as well (although we may never). But what bothers me are the people who are blind and insistent to say well it must have been something catastrophic to set him off. Not true. His past has shown this. And more importantly, in their eyes , it has now become fact that Materazzi crossed the line (whatever that may be) because they can't believe that a superstar can be flawed.

In any case, crossing the line or not, that wasn't the place to settle it. Wait 20 minutes and kick his butt in the lockeroom if you are that upset. But that's not how he does things. Yet, I am to believe this case was special.

Lesson for Totti. Next time someone harasses you and picks at you all game, don't spit on them. Violently attack them and you will be considered a God. But spit on them, and you are shameful. This whole thing is such a joke.

Nanbawan
13 Jul 2006, 07:08 PM
We don't know exactly what Materazzi said (and did!), information we need before we decide that his conduct was excusable. Case very much open.

How can his conduct be excusable (Zidane was rightfully sent off) ?

What was apparently said?????? Both Zidane and Materazzi have made statements (both of which were clearly understated). Zidane said it was above and beyond, Materazzi said it was the usual stuff.


Materazzi lied. At first he did not even recognised that he insulted Zidane and also his masterpiece when he says he doesn't even know what a terrorist is.



Zidane is a complete idiot.

This assertion even in the light of what happened Sunday is meaningless, ludicrous and stupid. Enjoying the title is apparently not enough for you...

Nanbawan
13 Jul 2006, 07:14 PM
In any case, crossing the line or not, that wasn't the place to settle it. Wait 20 minutes and kick his butt in the lockeroom if you are that upset. But that's not how he does things.

Because he's not vicious. Something you struggle to understand.

Lesson for Totti. Next time someone harasses you and picks at you all game, don't spit on them. Violently attack them and you will be considered a God. But spit on them, and you are shameful. This whole thing is such a joke.

Violent...Merde, he should have aimed for the teeth ! Anyway, football would be better off spitting, racial abuse, insults and violent conducts. Zidane was rightfully sent off and he would have been dismissed for a few games, I'm not denying this part yet I'm puzzled to see that some people think FIFA should be lenient on other offenses.

Knave
13 Jul 2006, 07:22 PM
Thread Closed. We're going back to one heavily moderated official thread on this topic.