England/Great Britain [Archive]

Dont Tread

13 Jul 2006, 03:25 PM

Hey I was just wondering why exactly England, Whales, Scotland, and N Ireland play as their own teams during matches. Why doesnt GB play as one country?:confused:

Purr4Pires

13 Jul 2006, 03:33 PM

Hey I was just wondering why exactly England, Whales, Scotland, and N Ireland play as their own teams during matches. Why doesnt GB play as one country?:confused:

Because the United Kingdom of Great Britain is a political union made up of four countries: England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

Dont Tread

13 Jul 2006, 03:38 PM

Oh i always thought they all had forms of Gvmt. but were all ruled by GB. Like Puerto Rico and the USA. Allthough Puerto Rico has their own team....

Andy TAUS

14 Jul 2006, 03:40 AM

Because the United Kingdom of Great Britain is a political union made up of four countries: England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.I'd like to see the 4 passports for those 4 countries. I presume that there are 4 reps at the UN, too. :p

Wales & Northern Ireland, countries? Why not Cornwall, while you're at it? :confused:

Perhaps you meant to say that FIFA recognises, as a matter of history & expediency, the 4 FA's of Great Britain as separate FA's. :)

Placid Casual

14 Jul 2006, 03:49 AM

Hey I was just wondering why exactly England, Whales, Scotland, and N Ireland play as their own teams during matches. Why doesnt GB play as one country?:confused:

Great Britain is only 3 countries. England, Scotland and Wales. I assume you mean play as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

What Andy Taus said as well.

Knave

14 Jul 2006, 12:39 PM

I'd like to see the 4 passports for those 4 countries. I presume that there are 4 reps at the UN, too. :p
Got that right ...

By this logic the Republic of California should have its own national team too:

http://www.polisites.us/DEMO/CC/McDonald/plogos/calbear.jpg

(Actually, I'd be cool with that. We'd still kick ass in CONCACAF!)

Alex_K

14 Jul 2006, 12:56 PM

Hey I was just wondering why Whales play as their own team during matches.

They are pretty slow, but damn, they do have amazing keepers!

Sorry, I couldn't resist ;).

P1brit

14 Jul 2006, 01:03 PM

If GB played as one team most people would be upset at the makeup of the team. Right now it basically would be Giggs + 10 english players.

Most Scots would rather die than support a GB team. Nothern Ireland and Wales aren't to far behind them in this sentiment.

I personally don't care. Because this whole St. George's cross has only become a big thing in terms of England support during the last ten years.

ussoccerFan12358

14 Jul 2006, 01:54 PM

So why do the Scottish support the Curling team from Great Britain, or do they?:confused:

RegginaCalcio

14 Jul 2006, 02:52 PM

So why do the Scottish support the Curling team from Great Britain, or do they?:confused:

I believe Scotland has their own curling team :p

Purr4Pires

14 Jul 2006, 03:07 PM

I'd like to see the 4 passports for those 4 countries. I presume that there are 4 reps at the UN, too. :p

Wales & Northern Ireland, countries? Why not Cornwall, while you're at it? :confused:

Perhaps you meant to say that FIFA recognises, as a matter of history & expediency, the 4 FA's of Great Britain as separate FA's. :)

Not sure if you're just trying to be amusing...I think you've misunderstood entirely...

Scottish_Morton

14 Jul 2006, 03:17 PM

I'd like to see the 4 passports for those 4 countries. I presume that there are 4 reps at the UN, too. :p

Wales & Northern Ireland, countries? Why not Cornwall, while you're at it? :confused:

Perhaps you meant to say that FIFA recognises, as a matter of history & expediency, the 4 FA's of Great Britain as separate FA's. :)

What a load of ignorant crap!

Dont Tread

14 Jul 2006, 04:13 PM

Not sure if you're just trying to be amusing...I think you've misunderstood entirely...
no its a logical question,,,by most standards theyre not considered soverign nations

Purr4Pires

14 Jul 2006, 04:24 PM

no its a logical question,,,by most standards theyre not considered soverign nations

Still not understanding.
I never said anything about sovreign nations. I used the term political union. Maybe it would be clearer to use the term constituent countries.

Visit the Prime Minister's website. There is a good explanation there.

http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page823.asp

Dont Tread

14 Jul 2006, 04:27 PM

I guess my question is that why does FIFA let "Countries" such as American Samoa and Guam have their own team when they are technically part of another country.

Purr4Pires

14 Jul 2006, 04:57 PM

I guess my question is that why does FIFA let "Countries" such as American Samoa and Guam have their own team when they are technically part of another country.

How are they "technically" part of another country?

Dont Tread

14 Jul 2006, 05:05 PM

Samoa-http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/aq.html
defense is the responsibility of the US
The US formally occupied its portion - a smaller group of eastern islands with the excellent harbor of Pago Pago - the following year.

Guam-http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gq.html
Guam was ceded to the US by Spain in 1898. Captured by the Japanese in 1941, it was retaken by the US three years later. The military installation on the island is one of the most strategically important US bases in the Pacific.
noun: Guamanian(s) (US citizens)
defense is the responsibility of the US

Puerto RIco-http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/rq.html
Puerto Ricans were granted US citizenship in 1917. Popularly-elected governors have served since 1948. In 1952, a constitution was enacted providing for internal self government. In plebiscites held in 1967, 1993, and 1998, voters chose not to alter the existing political status

etc...

M

14 Jul 2006, 05:07 PM

I'd like to see the 4 passports for those 4 countries. I presume that there are 4 reps at the UN, too.

I have an EU passport issued by the UK - perhaps you should be proposing a single EU-wide team?

ThreeApples

14 Jul 2006, 05:18 PM

I guess my question is that why does FIFA let "Countries" such as American Samoa and Guam have their own team when they are technically part of another country.It's just been common practice in international sports for non-sovereign territories to have their own representation if they have some level of local autonomy and are not fully constituent parts of the ruling country.

Purr4Pires

14 Jul 2006, 05:29 PM

Samoa-http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/aq.html
defense is the responsibility of the US
The US formally occupied its portion - a smaller group of eastern islands with the excellent harbor of Pago Pago - the following year.

Guam-http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gq.html
Guam was ceded to the US by Spain in 1898. Captured by the Japanese in 1941, it was retaken by the US three years later. The military installation on the island is one of the most strategically important US bases in the Pacific.
noun: Guamanian(s) (US citizens)
defense is the responsibility of the US

Puerto RIco-http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/rq.html
Puerto Ricans were granted US citizenship in 1917. Popularly-elected governors have served since 1948. In 1952, a constitution was enacted providing for internal self government. In plebiscites held in 1967, 1993, and 1998, voters chose not to alter the existing political status

etc...

I guess I can go into political specifics about Guam, American Samoa, and Puerto Rico, but I think we will just keep going in circles!

We may as well deal with this in terms of FIFA and nothing else.
FIFA "lets" them have their own leagues because they have met FIFA criteria for membership through their various Associations.