BVB General Discussion 2006/2007 Part I [R]

[August Lenz]

Yes, its right. But we have Sören Pirson from the Amas, who is a fantastic goalkeeper. But the match against Ajax was not really good. But i think Weidenfeller is in 2 weeks fit, because he said: ,,I hope, that i will be fit against Tottenham".

[footyfan1]

Yes, its right. But we have Sören Pirson from the Amas, who is a fantastic goalkeeper. But the match against Ajax was not really good. But i think Weidenfeller is in 2 weeks fit, because he said: ,,I hope, that i will be fit against Tottenham".


The club says Weidenfeller will be fit for Tottenham, but that's not what I'm worried about.

I'm worried about Weidenfeller STAYING "fit" through the season. There's no guarantee of that and we can't sit here and say Pirson is ready for the job.

I'd rather have someone with GOOD BL experience on the bench.

The only things I recall about Bernd Meier is his losing his position back at 1860 and getting his ass kicked at Gladbach after that........

Another guy on our e-mail list said Meier had been HORRIBLE this pre-season before he got hurt too.

[HeyaBVB]

The club says Weidenfeller will be fit for Tottenham, but that's not what I'm worried about.

I'm worried about Weidenfeller STAYING "fit" through the season. There's no guarantee of that and we can't sit here and say Pirson is ready for the job.

I'd rather have someone with GOOD BL experience on the bench.

The only things I recall about Bernd Meier is his losing his position back at 1860 and getting his ass kicked at Gladbach after that........

Another guy on our e-mail list said Meier had been HORRIBLE this pre-season before he got hurt too.
if someone who lives near Dortmund says .. he trusts Pirson to step up ... he may is right keith .. If they buy Melka they buy him , if not they have more confidence in our players then you have and they are closer to the team then we are ...

[david29]

Just thought I'd post a brief, off-topic, welcome to 'August Lenz'. It's always pleasing to see another Borussia supporter on the boards, especially one with such a great account name. Someone knows their BVB history!

[footyfan1]

if someone who lives near Dortmund says .. he trusts Pirson to step up ... he may is right keith .. If they buy Melka they buy him , if not they have more confidence in our players then you have and they are closer to the team then we are ...


KC lives near Dortmund too. I trust his opinion. He made me believe he doesn't think Pirson is quite ready. Will be in the future, not quite ready just yet.

BTW, everyone who "lives near Dortmund" isn't right just because of where they live.

Hell, Bense can spit on the stadium from where he lives and I trust YOUR opinion about the club more than I do his!

I'm not saying this guy is wrong. Just that I trust KC's opinion more.

And the club will do what they think is right. If they have the confidence in Meier than so be it.

It doesn't mean I have to change my mind. Just that they know something I don't.

I hope we never have to see if Pirson or Meier can do the job. But if Weidenfeller goes down, I want BVB to be prepared to keep moving forward, that's all........

[HeyaBVB]

KC lives near Dortmund too. I trust his opinion. He made me believe he doesn't think Pirson is quite ready. Will be in the future, not quite ready just yet.

BTW, everyone who "lives near Dortmund" isn't right just because of where they live.

Hell, Bense can spit on the stadium from where he lives and I trust YOUR opinion about the club more than I do his!

I'm not saying this guy is wrong. Just that I trust KC's opinion more.

And the club will do what they think is right. If they have the confidence in Meier than so be it.

It doesn't mean I have to change my mind. Just that they know something I don't.

I hope we never have to see if Pirson or Meier can do the job. But if Weidenfeller goes down, I want BVB to be prepared to keep moving forward, that's all........
I have no opinion bout Meier or Pirson .. just know that I was wrong with Weide (you know I hated him when he came *G*)

We only can wait and see what happens :) Thorsten (Teewuher from the List) and me discussed another Problem this season

namely that some of our starter 2004/2005 or 2005/ 2006 won't be first choice anymore and some of them thinking of leving the club if they don't become starters anymore, namely Odonkor and maybe Ebi

Imho the start 11 will be like this

Weide
Degen Metze Wörns Dede
Tinga/Sahin/Odonkor Kehl (Def) Pienaar (Off) Kringe
Valdez Frei

Oh and thanks for the trust :)

[smithfan]

I don't know about it. Where did you get this?


Dortmund: Auch Ersatzmann Meier fraglich

Alle hoffen auf Roman Weidenfeller

...

Dennoch: Aktuell gebe es keinen Handlungsbedarf, betont Zorc, "weil wir jetzt davon ausgehen, dass Weidenfeller fit wird und es bei Meier nichts Gravierendes ist".
Sollte sich an diesem Sachstand etwas ändern, dürfte der BVB jedoch vorbereitet sen. Es soll vor geraumer Zeit lose Gespräche mit dem früheren Dortmunder Michael Melka (28) gegeben haben, der in Gladbach zwar Boden gutmachte, aber trotz eines Vertrages bis 2007 ablösefrei wechseln könnte. JJB

Kicker vom 31.07.06

[footyfan1]

I have no opinion bout Meier or Pirson .. just know that I was wrong with Weide (you know I hated him when he came *G*)

Yeah. I remember trying to tell you that we were getting a potential future Germany #1.

Sebi and I shared that opinion of him! :)

Trust me when I tell you Bernd Meier is crap. He always has been and he's done nothing to prove he's ever gotten any better.

I believe Meier is only at Dortmund because we needed a cheap backup last season and he was near us and free.

If this club truly wants to play in Europe next season, we need to have a better #2.


We only can wait and see what happens :) Thorsten (Teewuher from the List) and me discussed another Problem this season

namely that some of our starter 2004/2005 or 2005/ 2006 won't be first choice anymore and some of them thinking of leving the club if they don't become starters anymore, namely Odonkor and maybe Ebi

I sent a translated "kicker" article to the list on Ebi yesterday. He's worried that he won't play and I've said more than once in this forum and on our list that if Ebi Smolarek is in Dortmund's starting 11 in Munich on August 11th, I'd be very upset.

Ebi Smolarek has no one to blame but himself. He caught "Koller Disease" last season. Sure he had 13 goals, but what most fail to realize is that he scored 9 of those goals in the first six weeks of the season, three of them against lowly Kaiserslautern.

Smolarek only scored four goals over the last 28 weeks of the season and only one after the winter break.

Going back to "Koller Disease", in the second half of last season, Ebi Smolarek committed some of the worst acts of open net missing I'd ever seen in all my life.

Had Smolarek scored four or five goals more, I think we at least make the Intertoto Cup and don't buy both Frei and Valdez this season. I think we would have bought Frei, but not Valdez.

As I said, Ebi Smolarek has no one to blame but himself.

However, I think Smolarek will fight it out with Amoah to be the first striker off the bench. After all, Frei and Valdez are not going to play 90 minutes every week. There will be injuries and there will be matches with weaker sides we can rest them for.

That's when Smolarek and Amoah will see the pitch.

I think Smolarek and Amoah will play quite a bit in the DFB Pokal too.

I think Odonkor will see enough playing time not to complain much. As a matter of fact, I think he may still start. I don't think we should kill the confidence Klinsmann helped Odonkor find in himself.

We've forgotten one guy who could upset all of this if he isn't sold. Delron Buckley. I know BvM has said Buckley doesn't have a future with us, but what are they going to do if they can't sell him? Release him for free? Play him on the amateur team?

I really truly hope the days of letting players who still have the potential to be productive go for little or nothing are gone at BVB.

You see, we look at that big ZERO (0) next to Buckley's name in the goal-scoring column and think, "Oh, he had a shit season."

Pretty much, but there were some matches Buckley played very well in, but just could not hit the net. And honestly, I really cannot see why Amoah is being rated above Buckley. Amoah has more potential, yes, but he didn't do any more than Buckley did for us last season. I really think that's a matter of BvM going with the guy he knows.

That being said, I think we will find a way to get rid of Buckley before this current transfer window closes.

I think we wind up keeping Odonkor, Smolarek and Amoah.


Imho the start 11 will be like this

Weide
Degen Metze Wörns Dede
Tinga/Sahin/Odonkor Kehl (Def) Pienaar (Off) Kringe
Valdez Frei


I like that. Here's how I think the whole set-up will be. First name in boldwill be my starter, then 1st backup, etc.

GK: Weidenfeller, Meier/New Guy, Pirson

Right Back: Degen, Kringe, Tinga

Center Back: Metzelder, Brzenska

Center Back: Woerns, Amedick

Left Back: Dede, Vrzogic, Kruska

Sweeper (Defensive Midfielder in front of the back four): Kehl, Kruska

Right wing: Odonkor, Amoah, Tyrala

Playmaker/Central Midfield: Pienaar, Sahin, Ricken

Left wing: Kringe, Tinga, Smolarek, Ricken

Striker: Valdez, Amoah, Tyrala, Saka

Striker: Frei, Smolarek, Amachaibou, Ricken

As you see, we will have a very versatile team and it will be harder for injuries to knock us out as they did last season.


Oh and thanks for the trust :)

LOL!! :D

Well, no matter how much we argue and disagree, I know one major thing we have in common.

We both LOVE Borussia Dortmund. And in the end, that's what counts.

[HeyaBVB]

LOL!! :D

Well, no matter how much we argue and disagree, I know one major thing we have in common.

We both LOVE Borussia Dortmund. And in the end, that's what counts.
Aye ... and


We BOTH hate Scheisse 0:6 :)

[smithfan]

Metzelder Interview:

http://media.borussia-dortmund.de/video/spezial/E-20060801_metze.wmv

[HeyaBVB]

for me he sounds pissed

[smithfan]

for me he sounds pissed

that's what I thought too.

[Gunning4Chelsea]

Yeah. I remember trying to tell you that we were getting a potential future Germany #1.

Sebi and I shared that opinion of him! :)

Trust me when I tell you Bernd Meier is crap. He always has been and he's done nothing to prove he's ever gotten any better.

I believe Meier is only at Dortmund because we needed a cheap backup last season and he was near us and free.

If this club truly wants to play in Europe next season, we need to have a better #2.




I sent a translated "kicker" article to the list on Ebi yesterday. He's worried that he won't play and I've said more than once in this forum and on our list that if Ebi Smolarek is in Dortmund's starting 11 in Munich on August 11th, I'd be very upset.

Ebi Smolarek has no one to blame but himself. He caught "Koller Disease" last season. Sure he had 13 goals, but what most fail to realize is that he scored 9 of those goals in the first six weeks of the season, three of them against lowly Kaiserslautern.

Smolarek only scored four goals over the last 28 weeks of the season and only one after the winter break.

Going back to "Koller Disease", in the second half of last season, Ebi Smolarek committed some of the worst acts of open net missing I'd ever seen in all my life.

Had Smolarek scored four or five goals more, I think we at least make the Intertoto Cup and don't buy both Frei and Valdez this season. I think we would have bought Frei, but not Valdez.

As I said, Ebi Smolarek has no one to blame but himself.

However, I think Smolarek will fight it out with Amoah to be the first striker off the bench. After all, Frei and Valdez are not going to play 90 minutes every week. There will be injuries and there will be matches with weaker sides we can rest them for.

That's when Smolarek and Amoah will see the pitch.

I think Smolarek and Amoah will play quite a bit in the DFB Pokal too.

I think Odonkor will see enough playing time not to complain much. As a matter of fact, I think he may still start. I don't think we should kill the confidence Klinsmann helped Odonkor find in himself.

We've forgotten one guy who could upset all of this if he isn't sold. Delron Buckley. I know BvM has said Buckley doesn't have a future with us, but what are they going to do if they can't sell him? Release him for free? Play him on the amateur team?

I really truly hope the days of letting players who still have the potential to be productive go for little or nothing are gone at BVB.

You see, we look at that big ZERO (0) next to Buckley's name in the goal-scoring column and think, "Oh, he had a shit season."

Pretty much, but there were some matches Buckley played very well in, but just could not hit the net. And honestly, I really cannot see why Amoah is being rated above Buckley. Amoah has more potential, yes, but he didn't do any more than Buckley did for us last season. I really think that's a matter of BvM going with the guy he knows.

That being said, I think we will find a way to get rid of Buckley before this current transfer window closes.

I think we wind up keeping Odonkor, Smolarek and Amoah.





I like that. Here's how I think the whole set-up will be. First name in boldwill be my starter, then 1st backup, etc.

GK: Weidenfeller, Meier/New Guy, Pirson

Right Back: Degen, Kringe, Tinga

Center Back: Metzelder, Brzenska

Center Back: Woerns, Amedick

Left Back: Dede, Vrzogic, Kruska

Sweeper (Defensive Midfielder in front of the back four): Kehl, Kruska

Right wing: Odonkor, Amoah, Tyrala

Playmaker/Central Midfield: Pienaar, Sahin, Ricken

Left wing: Kringe, Tinga, Smolarek, Ricken

Striker: Valdez, Amoah, Tyrala, Saka

Striker: Frei, Smolarek, Amachaibou, Ricken

As you see, we will have a very versatile team and it will be harder for injuries to knock us out as they did last season.




LOL!! :D

Well, no matter how much we argue and disagree, I know one major thing we have in common.

We both LOVE Borussia Dortmund. And in the end, that's what counts.



agree with a lot of your thoughts....but i don't see your logic on Ebi.....why would you be upset with Ebi being in the starting lineup in Munich?......his 13 goals are certainly not mind-boggling...but for a team that was at times decimated by injuries and had no other viable options in the striker position - it is not prudent to write off a player that, by all accounts, had a nice season.....while i concede - that in the spring round - he struggled - however two things must be noted....for one, Ebi is not a striker by trade.....playing at the top of the formation was a new concept for him - second - while u point out that if he bagged a few more goals - we would be in Intertoto - but what if Ebi did not bag those 11 goals in first 17 games - we might have been relegated......who would have scored? Rosicky? Odonkor? maybe Sahin or Koller with a torn knee?....

Valdez is a nice young player - but playing second fiddlle to Klasnic at Werder does not guarantee a spot in starting 11 for BVB.......
that's just my opinion....i may be wrong......but I doubt it

[HeyaBVB]

agree with a lot of your thoughts....but i don't see your logic on Ebi.....why would you be upset with Ebi being in the starting lineup in Munich?......his 13 goals are certainly not mind-boggling...but for a team that was at times decimated by injuries and had no other viable options in the striker position - it is not prudent to write off a player that, by all accounts, had a nice season.....while i concede - that in the spring round - he struggled - however two things must be noted....for one, Ebi is not a striker by trade.....playing at the top of the formation was a new concept for him - second - while u point out that if he bagged a few more goals - we would be in Intertoto - but what if Ebi did not bag those 11 goals in first 17 games - we might have been relegated......who would have scored? Rosicky? Odonkor? maybe Sahin or Koller with a torn knee?....

Valdez is a nice young player - but playing second fiddlle to Klasnic at Werder does not guarantee a spot in starting 11 for BVB.......
that's just my opinion....i may be wrong......but I doubt it

You're dead wrong here ....

Klasnic is no better striker than Valdez ... he just is protected by schaaf and he is the better partner for klose , cause valdez is more or less like klose .. (not saying he is as good) but he is the same type of striker

Klasnic feeds Klose , Valdez wants to make the goal ... thats the difference between those two

As for Ebi ... He made his goals yeah , but when we most needed him he struggled .. he not even came back on track when amoah played. He is a good nr 3 , or a good 3rd striker in a 4 - 3 - 3 but not a starter in a 4-4-2 , at least not as striker

He may will get a chance as 3rd/4th Striker or as right midfielder (behind the starter there) as he playes in Polands national team

[HeyaBVB]

http://www.bvb.de/?%9F%2Ak%97%84%EC%5Ck%E4%87%94

BVB won 13:0 against a Team from Giessen

1.Half:
0:1 Dede (12.)
0:2 Smolarek (19.)
0:3 Tyrala (20.)
0:4 Ricken (31., Foulelfmeter)
0:5 Dede (45.)

2. Half:
0:6 Frei (62.)
0:7 Frei (65.)
0:8 Amoah (67.)
0:9 Amoah (69.)
0:10 Frei (80.)
0:11 Frei (82.)
0:12 Kringe (89.)
0:13 Amoah (90.)

Man of the Match : Alex Frei ... he marked 4 Goals and 2 Assists in just 1 Halftime

I hope thats better , Death ... Fingers

[smithfan]

yeah it's Frei-Zeit! :D

Tyrala got an invitation for Germany's U19 national team. Congrats. :)

[footyfan1]

agree with a lot of your thoughts....but i don't see your logic on Ebi.....why would you be upset with Ebi being in the starting lineup in Munich?

Because we went out and got two better strikers than he is and there's no room for him in the midfield. That's why.


......his 13 goals are certainly not mind-boggling...but for a team that was at times decimated by injuries and had no other viable options in the striker position - it is not prudent to write off a player that, by all accounts, had a nice season.....while i concede - that in the spring round - he struggled - however two things must be noted....for one, Ebi is not a striker by trade.....playing at the top of the formation was a new concept for him

That excuse doesn't hold water for me. He didn't "suck" at playing striker. He actually played the position pretty well.

He just forgot the most important thing.

How to finish.




- second - while u point out that if he bagged a few more goals - we would be in Intertoto - but what if Ebi did not bag those 11 goals in first 17 games - we might have been relegated......who would have scored? Rosicky? Odonkor? maybe Sahin or Koller with a torn knee?....

Just as I can't say who would have scored them, you can't sit there and say none of the others would have stepped up. Woerns, Metzelder and Brzenska all won matches for us with goals last season.

We just don't know what would have happened.

In the situation we had, those players you named with the possible exception of Odonkor, weren't expected to score goals. Smolarek and Buckley were. And for six weeks, no one, except maybe Halil Altintop, was better at it than Smolarek.

The difference? After those first six weeks, Altintop had his little drought, but started to score again afterwards. Smolarek never recovered from his drought and that crap form went right on into the World Cup.

The only other thing that can be said for certain is that some of the sitters Smolarek found ways to miss would have put us one or maybe even two spots up in the table. Not even a lot of them. Just three to five. Really, only about three of them.

That is for certain. And they were spectacular misses. Boy, were they!

Most times, even he couldn't figure out how he'd missed it.

Like "HeyaBVB" said, when we most needed him, he struggled. And that's putting it nicely.

Trust me, I know we have a pretty good, very versatile player in Ebi Smolarek. We just needed better starting strikers and that's why I said I would have been very upset if he would be in the starting lineup in Munich.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ebi scores 6 goals or more off the bench or as a stand-in due to injury this season.

I just didn't want him starting in Munich and the way things are looking now, he won't.



Valdez is a nice young player - but playing second fiddlle to Klasnic at Werder does not guarantee a spot in starting 11 for BVB.......

"HeyaBVB" responded to that opinion just as I would have.



that's just my opinion....i may be wrong......but I doubt it

"HeyaBVB" responded to that opinion just as I would have. :)

[footyfan1]

yeah it's Frei-Zeit! :D

I hope it's "Frei-Zeit" all season! LOL!! :D


Tyrala got an invitation for Germany's U19 national team. Congrats. :)

I sure hope this kid stays healthy for us. I get the feeling he's going to be one of our top substitutes this season.

I like having guys like Tyrala, Smolarek and Amoah on the bench.

I can't help it. I've just got a GOOD FEELING about this season. I haven't felt this good about a BVB team at the start of the season in a long time...... :)

[footyfan1]

that's what I thought too.


I can't listen here at work. What was he discussing??

[kingb71]

his "sit down" with Woerns.
Doesn't look like he's too pleased w/ the results.