BVB General Discussion 2006/2007 Part I [R]

[footyfan1]

All, this is a post to our BVB list from one of the listers. I was going to post on this, but his says everything I wanted to say.

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Guys,

I think Röber will be history tomorrow. Of course I don't think it's his fault, but the management needs to try everything to get the situation under control and not give the team a chance to hide behind this coach or his predecessor.


I expect TvH (Thomas von Heesen) to take over tomorrow. He has apparently been scouting players for us already (among them Croatian striker Mladen Petric from FC Basel) and is rumored to have penned a 3-year contract from the summer as well. I think Watzke spent his Sunday trying to talk TvH into taking over NOW to turn the ship around and prevent it from sinking.


Also, there was an incident in Bochum around assistant coach Bernd Storck. Roman Weidenfeller was giving an interview to a TV crew after the match and Storck walked past him, saying out loud: "Another one who doesn't get his ass up!"


I think the chemistry between the team and Röber/Storck is toxic - if there ever was a chemistry between all of them, that is...


Pathetic shit, but it's still nine matches to play and we need to leave/keep three teams behind us. Fullstop.


KC

[Duncan Idaho]

From what I've read TvH seems to be also done. He seems to not want to take over the team now and so the clueless Dortmund Management is supposed to look at other candidates

[footyfan1]

From what I've read TvH seems to be also done. He seems to not want to take over the team now and so the clueless Dortmund Management is supposed to look at other candidates

That is the word I'm getting too. We do know Roeber has already stepped aside.

As he resigned, he said he was doing so because the team doesn't seem to grasp the seriousness of the situation.

I totally agree with him and I blame him for NONE of this. He did the best he could with this team of punk ass prima donnas!!!

Now, we would be fine if the person who is really at fault would "resign" by keeping his f#cking nose out of football operations!

HANS-JOACHIM WATZKE!

HE'S THE REAL PROBLEM!!!

[david29]

Ok, while I'm not prepared to rule out van Heesen just yet, who do we have as possible candidates?

Kohler? I would have thought his name would have been thrown around so far, even if it had no basis. Magath? Would he bother, especially considering what happened with HSV? Of those who might even be interested in the long term, who is there that would be willing to deal with the s**t that's going on at present?

I guess we'll hear plenty more in the next few days, but if anyone has some ideas or suggestions I'd love to hear them. God knows I need some cause for optimism at the moment.

[footyfan1]

Ok, while I'm not prepared to rule out van Heesen just yet, who do we have as possible candidates?

von Heesen is history. Forget about him.


Kohler? I would have thought his name would have been thrown around so far, even if it had no basis.

Kohler has not done a very good job at the places he has coached. However, as I've been saying over on our e-mail list, we don't need a great coach right now, we need a great motivator.......


Magath? Would he bother, especially considering what happened with HSV?

What do you mean "considering what happened with HSV?" That he refused to take their job? He would have had he not found out that they'd already offered it to Huub Stevens before Magath was fired by Bayern.

Magath didn't want to take a job already offered to a colleague. Magath's own words......


UPDATE: Kicker is reporting that Magath AND SAMMER have already turned them down.....


Of those who might even be interested in the long term, who is there that would be willing to deal with the s**t that's going on at present?

I think a few would. We do have the foundation for a good team, we just need to get rid of some of the dead weight. Especially Degen!


I guess we'll hear plenty more in the next few days, but if anyone has some ideas or suggestions I'd love to hear them. God knows I need some cause for optimism at the moment.

I can't say there is any. In that same kicker article, it says BVB are talking to Thomas Doll.

I don't mind that because we need a motivator, not a great coach and Doll is a motivator.

However, I'd hire a "BVB Guy" like Juergen Kohler first.

KC reported that they were also considering youth coach Heiko Herrlich, but if Herrlich's mentality as a coach is anything like his as a player, I don't want him either.

[footyfan1]

When a coach who tried all he could like Jürgen Röber did and he resigns from a six-month job after two months saying, "I have come to the conclusion that some on the team are not grasping how serious the situation is", then we have real problems.

As I was saying earlier, I don't think we need a "great coach", we need someone who will put a foot up these guys' asses.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Damn, you know you're in deep shit when Sammer turns you down!

I was thinking Neururer could be a good temporary replacement: shit coach, but very effective in the long term. At most of the clubs he has coached, he has turned them into a very good team on a temporary basis before he eventually loses control and whatever team he's coaching sinks. BUT, he is a very good motivator, and 9 games should be a short enough time for him to have a positive effect on the side. Of course, he is a diehard Schalke fan, so that probably rules him out.

Koehler would be suitable: he is extremely popular among the Dortmund fans(i believe so atleast, you guys know more about this than i do) and he was never THAT bad at his clubs. In Duisburg last year he just had a side too weak for the 1. Liga, not his fault they got relegated.

Those would be my two main choices.
And Horst Koeppel, though i don't think he could fit into the dortmund system.

[footyfan1]

Damn, you know you're in deep shit when Sammer turns you down!

Would YOU leave a cushy job like Sammer has to try to save the quickly sinking ship that is BVB??

Honestly, I wouldn't!


I was thinking Neururer could be a good temporary replacement: shit coach, but very effective in the long term. At most of the clubs he has coached, he has turned them into a very good team on a temporary basis before he eventually loses control and whatever team he's coaching sinks. BUT, he is a very good motivator, and 9 games should be a short enough time for him to have a positive effect on the side. Of course, he is a diehard Schalke fan, so that probably rules him out.

Looks like it will be Doll. Doll can't coach for shit, but he's supposedly a decent motivator.

Personally, I think it's the wrong choice, but if he can keep us out of the bottom three, I'll be grateful.

Right now, with the strife within the team, I really don't know that any coach, save for Magath can do it. And he turned us down.

I don't blame him either.



Koehler would be suitable: he is extremely popular among the Dortmund fans(i believe so atleast, you guys know more about this than i do) and he was never THAT bad at his clubs. In Duisburg last year he just had a side too weak for the 1. Liga, not his fault they got relegated.

Dude, Kohler is my choice, but I think the f#cking clueless emperor (Watzke) is too stupid to call him.


Those would be my two main choices.
And Horst Koeppel, though i don't think he could fit into the dortmund system.


Koeppel is an old BVB trainer. He trained our amateur side before he went to Gladbach too. Why wouldn't he fit?

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

According to the BLÖD-Zeitung Doll will make it.
Contract till 2008, von Heesen won´t join Dortmund in summer.

Doll new BVB coach (http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/sport/bundesliga/2007/03/13/bvb-roeber-doll/trainer-frage-dortmund.html)

[footyfan1]

BVB will hold a news conference at 10:30 AM CET on Tuesday to announce Thomas Doll as the new coach. Word is he's signed a contract good though next season. He's expected to bring along Ralf Zumdick as his assistant.

Best of luck to him. With this team of squabbling prima donna bitches, he's going to need it.

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

kicker (http://www.kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/362751/) also has the news: Doll is new BVB coach !!!

[footyfan1]

kicker (http://www.kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/362751/) also has the news: Doll is new BVB coach !!!

See my previous word about it.

Doll was not my choice, but I'm going to get behind him and hope we get the Thomas Doll of last season.......

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Koeppel is an old BVB trainer. He trained our amateur side before he went to Gladbach too. Why wouldn't he fit?

Koeppel is a really tough coach, hard as nails. That's the impression i've got of him. And the impression i have the Dortmund team is of one that wouldn't react too well to being told they're lazy and should seriously consider getting off their ass(though whatever coach tells them this is 100% correct). BvM said it, he was then ousted straight away. Koeppel could generate the same reaction.

Then again one could also look at it the other way and say that a hard man like Koeppel would pprovide the perfect kick in the ass for Dortmund'splayers. depends on what side a person looks at it.

Btw, i never knew he was coach of Dortmund's amateur team.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

kicker (http://www.kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/362751/) also has the news: Doll is new BVB coach !!!

It worked for Hamburg two seasons ago, we'll see what happens now. I wouldn't be overjoyed right now if i was a Dortmund fan.

[Borussia]

von Heesen won´t join Dortmund in summer.


That surprises me a lot!



Doll was not my choice

I know, I know ... so I immediately thought of you after the announcement. :-)

If Jos Luhukay didn't get the job in MG, I'd have preferred Thomas Doll. Now he's the new manager in Dortmund. Good luck!

[Hendrik]

Keith, you catched Röber's interview over at westline? http://www.westline.de/fussball/bvb/index_22200.php

Some shocking statements (at least for an outsider like me) regarding some players.

[footyfan1]

Keith, you catched Röber's interview over at westline? http://www.westline.de/fussball/bvb/index_22200.php

Some shocking statements (at least for an outsider like me) regarding some players.



Yeah, I saw it. I'll post a version of it my friend translated here.

And I totally agree with Roeber. Some of what he said made me sick to read, but I'm mad at those players, not at Roeber.

Roeber did try, but when you have a bunch of prima donna, punk ass bitches like we do in Dortmund, you get the shit we have now.

HORRIBLE JOB BY MANAGEMENT BUILDING THIS TEAM! SIMPLY HORRIBLE!!!


I've just told some others on e-mail that Doll's worst enemy in this thing will be his own team.

Doll said in the press conference he's going to work on that right away.

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"Don't want to work"


Dortmund (wl) - Ruhr Nachrichten reported it on Monday, now it's official: Borussia Dortmund's coach Jürgen Röber (53) quit his job. In the afternoon, we reached the disillusioned (ex-)coach - but not in the Ruhr area - he was already in his house in Berlin.

Herr Röber, has the short stint with BVB harmed your career?
Röber: For an outsider, it might appear so, yes. People who know football also now what kind of a difficult task I had. I don't want to talk bad about it, but I am also not ready to be nailed to the wall.



What are your reasons for the problems at BVB?

That's very complex. We could talk about quality, about injuries, about suspensions, but also about the mentality of some players. All-in-all, that's what lead to me saying: I didn't recognize myself in Dortmund and I think the players never saw the real Jürgen Röber.



Please explain?

I often had a crap feeling in the guts during practice. It told me: Send this player or that player into the locker room. He can get changed if he doesn't want to work. I could have thrown some players out of the team - I actually thought about it quite often.



You could have done it.

How, without alternatives? I was only able to take 16 players to Hannover. But maybe I still should hae done it. I came to BVB to enjoy myself. I have seen how the people suffer with the club. But I think that not all players have understood that yet. Some probably saw my intended 6-month stint here as a welcome "alibi". I hope my successor will save the club. I really do!


There are "big names" on the BVB team – Metzelder, Wörns, Kehl – but right now it's only the names that are big.

All three take refuge in words and think, like Metzelder, that only four or five top clubs in Europe are good enough for them...

That is correct.


You yourself have always called Metzelder the "head" of the team. A mistake?

At the beginning, I thought he was different. Today, let me put it this way: In the practice session, I always ran in front of the team. Sometimes Kringe joined me. Metzelder likes to stick to the end of the group.



That means, you don't consider him and others a role model in practice.

Last week, Metzelder and Kehl were out of practice most of the time (with injuries, KC). In the Friday session, I had the team play 10 against 8. But those two prefered to run a bit and didn't want to join after being without "ball practice" for a week. Imagine that! I had to talk them into joining the team.



Then came the Bochum match. And all the excuses.

I can't hear it anymore! Wörns blames it on the midfield. Where was he in the recent weeks? Where was he when Bochum scored? Where was he in Bochum at all?



The criticism on the opening goal was mostly targeted towards Philipp Degen.

Unbelievable, he gets it from everybody at the end anyway. But (in that scene, KC), Philipp was the "ärmste Sau" - translated as "poorest pig", meaning the one who everybody picked on or sth like that (KC)


Because Kehl didn't attack the man on the ball and Degen has to battle Wörns' man for the tackle?

Right on! Philipp couldn't do anything except pulling a red card for a tackle from behind. And then he gets blamed for all of it, too.


What did you do wrong?

I should have played Brzenska instead of Wörns. And I shouldn't have fielded Kehl. He still cannot do the short, fast tackles. But I was influenced, because everybody told me how important these names are for the team.

***I take that to mean Watzke made Roeber play Woerns and Kehl!



Which BVB pros are for you "untouchable" - character-wise?

Kringe. But also Brzenska. They always give 100%, they always play full power. Even if they are not the best players altogether.

Your assistant coach had an infight with goalie Roman Weidenfeller in the mixed zone after the match. Why?


Bernd Storck is an honest person. When asked in an interview what role the coach plays in the whole disaster, Weidenfeller first didn't reply and then said he doesn't want to get his tongue burned.

And Storck then said to Weidenfeller that "he doesn't have any balls" (literally from German: "doesn't have an ass in his pants").
And Roman wanted him to repeat it in front of the full team.


Did he?
Of course!

[footyfan1]

I'd have preferred Thomas Doll. Now he's the new manager in Dortmund. Good luck!

Well, he was not my choice, but while he may not have my full confidence, he does have my full support.

He has a very difficult job in front of him in which his own team is his worst enemy.

I hope the other BVB fans will get behind Doll too.

[benztown]

I was also shocked by what Röber said. I don't think highly of Röber, but in this case he seems to be the victim. I still can't believe how "professional" football players can act that way.

Maybe I'm a little bit too "romantic", but if those players don't do what they do with passion and commitment, then they should consider some other profession. But even if they don't enjoy playing football, one should think that they are professional enough to give it all in order to be a successful (read rich) player.

Röber really should have put players like Metzelder and Kehl (who he singled out) into the second team. That way Metze could have kissed his Madrid deal goodbye if he didn't finally work on his attitude.

[footyfan1]

I was also shocked by what Röber said. I don't think highly of Röber, but in this case he seems to be the victim. I still can't believe how "professional" football players can act that way.

I'm almost relieved to see that it isn't just in America where athletes act this way......



Maybe I'm a little bit too "romantic", but if those players don't do what they do with passion and commitment, then they should consider some other profession. But even if they don't enjoy playing football, one should think that they are professional enough to give it all in order to be a successful (read rich) player.


I'm not defending them at all, but yeah, you're being a big too romantic. Times have changed and the game has changed. I think the game has changed mostly for the good, but players changes have been horrible.



Röber really should have put players like Metzelder and Kehl (who he singled out) into the second team. That way Metze could have kissed his Madrid deal goodbye if he didn't finally work on his attitude.

Reading Roeber's words, I'm almost certain that "The Clueless Emperor" (Managing Director Watzke) made him play Metzelder, Kehl and Woerns.