BVB General Discussion 2006/2007 Part I [R]

[footyfan1]

More criticism of BVB management from me.

During the first round of the season, it was made known that BVB were interested in two players in the Danish League.

FC Kopenhagen's Danish international right back Lars Jacobsen and Danish international offensive midfielder Mikkel Thygesen of FC Midtiylland.

As far as I remember, Michael Zorc admitted BVB's interest in the two players and from all accounts, they are two players who could help this BVB team.

Guess what??

A couple of weeks before the winterbreak, Jacobsen signed with 1. FC Nuernberg for next season.

And now, reports are that Thygesen is on the verge of signing with Alemannia Aachen to replace Jan Schlaudraff, who is dumping Aachen for BayScum.

According to the article posted to our e-mail list, the only question is when Thygesen will join Aachen and that will supposedly depend on when Schlaudraff actually departs for Munich.

Right now, the Schlaudraff deal is for next season, but apparently, there is a chance that the two clubs could do a deal for Schlaudraff to move to Munich immediately.

Now. My question is with all the question marks we have on our team, how in the holy mother f#ck do we allow two guys we made it known we were interested in to go to f#cking Nuernberg and Aachen??!!! :mad:

Last week on our e-mail list, I criticized Director of Sport Michael Zorc and questioned exactly what it is he does at the club. I made it known that I would much prefer Stefan Reuter, Juergen Kohler or even though I know we won't get him back, Matthias Sammer in Zorc's position.

Even back when I was calling for Sammer to be fired as coach, I said he should be promoted to Zorc's position and Zorc be "promoted" to "Chief BVB Presidential Penis Holder" or something like that.

Why? Because from anything you can see publicly, it seems that Watzke is doing the job Zorc should be doing.


Other guys who have Zorc's role at their clubs in Germany are actually going out and improving their teams whether it be for this season or next.

And as usual, BVB just sits on the sideline, content to never deal with anything until it becomes an out of control f#cking problem...... :mad:


Today's "kicker" reports that the Thygesen to Aachen deal is off......

[footyfan1]

Today's "kicker" also reports that Lars Ricken will be given a good shot to win the central midfield starting job.........

[footyfan1]

Last night, BVB played their first practice match under Juergen Roeber.

They "only" drew 1-1 at third division (Regionalliga) Wuppertal.

Frei tied the match for BVB in the 51st minute.

Here's who played.


BVB: Weidenfeller - Amedick, Kringe, Tinga, Frei, Dede, Ricken, Metzelder, Kruska, Degen, Senesie

Subs: Pirson - Brzenska, Piennar, Saka, Sahin, Hünemeier, Tyrala, Hillebrandt.
Trainer: Jürgen Röber.


I believe Woerns, Kehl and Smolarek are all sick and not injured.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Today, Hertha and Borussia Dortmund play in a friendly in Marbella.

[footyfan1]

Today, Hertha and Borussia Dortmund play in a friendly in Marbella.

And if I were Zorc & Watzke, the only guy I'd be looking for is Basturk's agent! LOL!! :D

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Try as you might, but I think he's Bayern property now....:(

Entertaining game...3:3. Srdjan Lakic scored twice for Hertha, as did Solomon Okoronkwo, which is very very good news for Hertha, as both were out of form this year. Hopefully this will kickstart them. For BvB, Phillip Degen, Nelson Valdez and Matthew Amoah scored. So I guess the luckless strikers hit gold today, hopefully (for us at least :p ) they can continue this streak to the games that count. ;)

[footyfan1]

Try as you might, but I think he's Bayern property now....:(

Not officially. Kehl was once "their property" too.

But of course, that was back when we had a guy with balls (Sammer) at BVB.

Hey, TOLH!! I was just telling the Bayern guys they should try to pay you guys for Basturk now.

Do you think Hertha has a price for him right now?

After all, you guys would be looking at losing him for nothing after the season......



Entertaining game...3:3. Srdjan Lakic scored twice for Hertha, as did Solomon Okoronkwo, which is very very good news for Hertha, as both were out of form this year. Hopefully this will kickstart them. For BvB, Phillip Degen, Nelson Valdez and Matthew Amoah scored. So I guess the luckless strikers hit gold today, hopefully (for us at least :p ) they can continue this streak to the games that count.


They always scored in the games that don't count. That's what got BVB management talking fifth place before the season in the first place. Goals in games that didn't mean a motha fockin' thing!!! :mad:

[The Old Lady Hertha]

@ Basturk...I don't know...its difficult to say really. I'm pretty sure Bayern will go after him after the season ends. But if he were to go this Winter Pause..I reckon a fee of 3-5 mio will work. We can't let him go for cheap because 1) Bayern is in the same league as us and 2) I hope Hoeness knows enough that Bayern may be desperate. So who knows, all I know is, expect the unexpected from Dieter Hoeness :(

[footyfan1]

@ Basturk...I don't know...its difficult to say really. I'm pretty sure Bayern will go after him after the season ends.

You can be pretty sure that if Bayern wants him for next season, they probably already have a deal with him as you said before.


But if he were to go this Winter Pause..I reckon a fee of 3-5 mio will work.

That's right around the figures I was thinking about. I just really think that with Deisler retiring, Bayern might come after him now. Bayern would normally never spend 3-5M on a guy they could possibly get the next season for free, but if they don't get someone now, I think they will be sucking in the CL.

I also know Basturk is the only guy out there with CL experience who they can realistically get at a decent price.

I was really hoping BVB would "get after" Basturk, especially since he grew up in the region, but I can't see BVB being able to compete with Bayern for his service if Bayern really wants him.

TOLH, I also wish BVB would take a serious shot at Bochum's Misimovic, but I have also read that you guys are in pole position to land him should Basturk leave. True??


We can't let him go for cheap because 1) Bayern is in the same league as us and 2) I hope Hoeness knows enough that Bayern may be desperate. So who knows, all I know is, expect the unexpected from Dieter Hoeness :(

Well, I know one major reason that could compel Dieter to help out his little bro.

You can get some major cash for the guy and you guys have already proven that you can play well without him this season.

I don't know. In very few situations can I say keeping a player who is out of contract at the end of the season is worth turning down a nice payday for him.

This is exactly why I wanted BVB to sell Jan Koller after the 2004-2005 season. He'd already totally hinted that he was not extending with BVB. He all but said, "Sell me, I'm not staying." To this day, I can't fathom why BVB didn't sell him.

And of course, except for the final day, he was pretty much useless to us in the 2005-2006 season, but one can't say we knew that would happen, could we?? LOL!! :D

When I suggested that Bayern go after Basturk now over on the Bayern sub-forum, some of them turned up their noses. They did the same when I suggested Misimovic for them too.

I have a couple of questions I would like to ask everyone.

Why can fans seemingly accept that Schlaudraff will keep up his current form at Bayern next season, but just decide that someone like Misimovic cannot keep up his current form at Bayern, BVB or Hertha???

I think it's crazy for Bayern, BVB and Hertha fans to turn up their noses at players doing well for "smaller" clubs in the 1. Liga.

Why can't they do the same at your club if they are doing it against the very same competition right now???

Can someone answer those questions for me??

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Well I don't know enough about Schlaudraff admittedly...I thought he was a striker, but then I looked on here and then in Winning Eleven and found that he could also play behind the strikers. He doesn't seem to be a very creative player from what I've seen...

As for Misimovic, yes it's true we're after him. The price is right (free) and the kid's got Basturk-like skills. I think Hertha would do best to slide him in at RM, and have Boateng play his natural position AM, with Gilberto/Ebert at LM. I'm excited about where Hertha is going future-wise, finally we're spending more realistically and we got the youth system. Just wished they could've started doing that a few years earlier :o

[jonam]

Well, I know one major reason that could compel Dieter to help out his little bro.



Actually Dieter is the younger brother. ;-)

[footyfan1]

Actually Dieter is the younger brother. ;-)

Thanks! I always screw that up! Guess because to me Dieter looks older.

[footyfan1]

All,

I saw in yesterday's SportBild that four Bundesliga clubs will be raising prices at their stadiums due to the new German tax hike which went into effect on 1 January. Yes, one of the four clubs is BVB. I believe the other three are Leverkusen, Gladbach and Hannover. From what I understood, prices on everything from tickets to concessions to souvenirs will go up in accordance with the 3% tax hike.

My opinion is that I do not mind this at all. A trip to the Westfalenstadion was already one of the best deals in football and even with this little tax hike, that will remain true. If we want the club to ever get back to the point that they can put a championship team on the pitch again, then we must do our part. Where you will see me get upset is when we are doing our part and they don't know what to do with the money. Anyhow, one thing I can say about our club is that they do look to take care of the fans first. And as I've said at other times, sometimes I think they worry too much about the fans, but overall it is a very good thing.

I will still do my best to get up there when I can and do my part. I hope the rest of you will too.

[jonam]

Thanks! I always screw that up! Guess because to me Dieter looks older.


Yes, Dieter looks bigger and maybe older. At all there is a difference of 12 months only.

[footyfan1]

Some "drama" going on with Smolarek again. Yesterday's "kicker" reported that he'd been fined for criticizing the training practices of Juergen Roeber and complaining about why the team is returning to the 4-4-2 and are seemingly planning to play Valdez ahead of him.

Yesterday, BVB.de posted an article saying that Smolarek did not mean to criticize Roeber's training methods. He gives his reasons in the article which should have a translation posted to the English page by our new team member Sandra later today.

I will say that if BVB are planning to play Valdez ahead of Ebi, then I agree with Ebi.

Yes, I still think Valdez is the better overall player, but he has not produced. I'd play the guys who have produced and at the striker position at BVB, that's only two people. Frei and Smolarek.

Valdez knows how to come off the bench. Hell, that was his job at Bremen. And probably why they were happy to take 4.5M for him.

Why is it that I believe that transfer fee is the major reason we're probably going to see Valdez in the starting lineup???

[footyfan1]

The Kicker Smolarek Fine Article - In German (http://www.kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/360324/)



The Smolarek "Did Not Mean To Criticize Roeber" Article At BVB.de (In German) (http://www.bvb.de/?%9F%2Ak%97%84%EC%5Cb%E3%87%9E)


Our substitute loader has not uploaded the Smolarek article in English yet. It has been done, proofed and sent to him for loading. Perhaps it will be at the English page later today.

[Gunning4Chelsea]

Some "drama" going on with Smolarek again. Yesterday's "kicker" reported that he'd been fined for criticizing the training practices of Juergen Roeber and complaining about why the team is returning to the 4-4-2 and are seemingly planning to play Valdez ahead of him.

Yesterday, BVB.de posted an article saying that Smolarek did not mean to criticize Roeber's training methods. He gives his reasons in the article which should have a translation posted to the English page by our new team member Sandra later today.

I will say that if BVB are planning to play Valdez ahead of Ebi, then I agree with Ebi.

Yes, I still think Valdez is the better overall player, but he has not produced. I'd play the guys who have produced and at the striker position at BVB, that's only two people. Frei and Smolarek.

Valdez knows how to come off the bench. Hell, that was his job at Bremen. And probably why they were happy to take 4.5M for him.

Why is it that I believe that transfer fee is the major reason we're probably going to see Valdez in the starting lineup???

after the season's end, when your boy valdez is still sitting on that goose egg - will you still say that he is a better player?....
4.5 mil for no goals in 17 BL games is a robbery at this point- yet you are a lot more reserved in valdez's case than for the ass-chewing you gave Ebi for his subpar second half of season in 06
once again, you have the wit of a rubber spoon

[footyfan1]

after the season's end, when your boy valdez is still sitting on that goose egg - will you still say that he is a better player?....
4.5 mil for no goals in 17 BL games is a robbery at this point- yet you are a lot more reserved in valdez's case than for the ass-chewing you gave Ebi for his subpar second half of season in 06
once again, you have the wit of a rubber spoon


Well, I would let that fire me up, but in this case, no. You just simply showed where your loyalties lie again.

You see, I have had the advantage of watching every BVB match so far this season.

The difference between Valdez now and Smolarek last season?

Valdez is not missing sitters that directly cost the club points. Smolarek did that so much last season that it cost us a couple of places in the table. When Nelson Valdez does that, you can bet I will rip his ass even more than I did Smolarek because Valdez cost us 4.5M Euros.

But, I would not expect you to understand that since we all can plainly see that your allegiance is not to BVB, but to #14.

The rest of that post of mine was nothing but complementary toward Smolarek and you simply focus on one sentence.

And you have the nerve to insult my intelligence?


By the way nitwit, Valdez has 0 goals in 13 matches, not 17. The way I see it, he still has eight more matches to try to match Ebi's streak of futility of two goals in 21 matches from last season.....

I hoped Ebi would stay. He has certainly proven that the horror of last season is behind him and that he is the one proven poacher we have.

But now I hope he does go just so your crybaby ass will follow him out of here.

[Gunning4Chelsea]

Well, I would let that fire me up, but in this case, no. You just simply showed where your loyalties lie again.

You see, I have had the advantage of watching every BVB match so far this season.

The difference between Valdez now and Smolarek last season?

Valdez is not missing sitters that directly cost the club points. Smolarek did that so much last season that it cost us a couple of places in the table. When Nelson Valdez does that, you can bet I will rip his ass even more than I did Smolarek because Valdez cost us 4.5M Euros.

But, I would not expect you to understand that since we all can plainly see that your allegiance is not to BVB, but to #14.
The rest of that post of mine was nothing but complementary toward Smolarek and you simply focus on one sentence.

And you have the nerve to insult my intelligence?


By the way nitwit, Valdez has 0 goals in 13 matches, not 17. The way I see it, he still has eight more matches to try to match Ebi's streak of futility of two goals in 21 matches from last season.....

I hoped Ebi would stay. He has certainly proven that the horror of last season is behind him and that he is the one proven poacher we have.

But now I hope he does go just so your crybaby ass will follow him out of here.

not true....i was a BVB fan way before Smolarek donned the yellow and black colors....
for your info - BVB sparked my interest when Flemming Povlsen was running up and down on the flank for BVB in early 90's....and thanks for playing, buddy

whether Ebi missed sitters or not is not the point....the point is that Valdez has 0 goals this season.....now doesnt that directly affect BVB's standings?

[Cris 09]

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