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Stinky Shinguards
11 Jul 2006, 11:13 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else agree that the AR missed the call in the WC Final that took away what would have been Italy's second goal? Yes, there was a player in offside position but he did not actually touch the ball. The player next to him who was in onside position touched the ball, and touched the ball well enough to go in. I thought I understood FIFA's new interpretation of Rule 11 and not actually calling it til the player in offside position touched the ball. Even in FIFA's animation on Rule 11, it shows an exemplar of two players, one in onside position and one in offside position, with the onside player scoring- answer no offside. Do you think the AR mistook which player was involved? or considered both in offside position?:confused:

jacoismyhero
11 Jul 2006, 11:21 PM
From the replay, I took the goal-scorer to be in offside position, as well as the attacker next to him. I wasn't playing CLOSE attention, but that's what it looked like on camera. Nonetheless, Italy won.

usatowin
11 Jul 2006, 11:46 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else agree that the AR missed the call in the WC Final that took away what would have been Italy's second goal? Yes, there was a player in offside position but he did not actually touch the ball. The player next to him who was in onside position touched the ball, and touched the ball well enough to go in. I thought I understood FIFA's new interpretation of Rule 11 and not actually calling it til the player in offside position touched the ball. Even in FIFA's animation on Rule 11, it shows an exemplar of two players, one in onside position and one in offside position, with the onside player scoring- answer no offside. Do you think the AR mistook which player was involved? or considered both in offside position?:confused:

Please refer to the Laws of the Game, rather than the NFHS rules, as there are some minor differences between Law 11 and Rule 11.

MassachusettsRef
11 Jul 2006, 11:50 PM
I thought two players were in offside positions. One was "clearly" offside (one full body) and didn't play the ball. The goalscorer was about a half body ahead, in my opinion, so was also offside.

GalaxyOne
11 Jul 2006, 11:54 PM
The goalscorer was also pretty clearly offside. It was the right call.

USSF REF
12 Jul 2006, 12:03 AM
Law 11:rolleyes:

david58
12 Jul 2006, 01:07 AM
The goalscorer was also pretty clearly offside. It was the right call.
And the teammate that was furthest off at the touch did his best to get a head on it, clearly participating and attempting to play and offside.

bluedevils
12 Jul 2006, 07:46 AM
I thought two players were in offside positions. One was "clearly" offside (one full body) and didn't play the ball. The goalscorer was about a half body ahead, in my opinion, so was also offside.

I think so, too, but I wonder if the AR was able to take in and correctly process all the information, or if he put the flag up for the obviously-offside player (who did not head the ball into the goal) and wasn't actually sure if Toni (who DID head the ball into the goal) was offside. There were quite a few players lined up near the offside line at that FK and it would have been difficult to sort through all of it, as a number of players were in a position to get their head on the end of the FK.

Stan
12 Jul 2006, 12:41 PM
I thought that the goal-scorer was offside. The AR was able to line up with the restraining line because it was a free kick. He may have been somewhat screened from the goal-scorer, but it looked as if he could tell that at least two, if not three blue jerseys were offside. France may have scooched up a little bit just before the kick (I didn't record the game, but recall the replay), but I remember being surprised at the Italians not keeping themselves onside.

I thought it was a good call, and not one where the AR needed to analyse degrees of interference with play by non-goal-scorers.