Team A won but team B "DESERVED" to win?

[mtlfan]

After reading alot of posts over the past month, i noticed alot of people saying that the team that "DESERVED" to win didn't and they are bitter about that.

But what does that mean anyways??, let us take the Final for example since its fresh in everyones mind, Italy dominated in the first half, then the next 70 minutes france came on VERY strong and attacked relentlessly, so i've read people saying France "Deserved" to win. But did they really?, at the end of the day isn't it all about putting the ball in the net, if they failed to do that then why would they deserve to win??, i'm using this match only as an example.

IF your team played Flawlessly and had more posession than the opponents, but failed to capitalize on their chances and lost say 1-0 to a conceded corner, why did they "DESERVE" to win.

Anyone?

[cured]

I'd really only bring that comment out if I felt one team dominated the other but a cheap tactic or dive here and there and the team playing poorly was awarded with a goal they didn't deserve. The WC final wasn't that case. The italians owned France in the first half, didn't have the stamina to maintain their play in the second half and France came out and played better. but both teams had great chances and italy had a second goal wiped away due to an offsides call.

The only game I can really say one team deserved to win over the other was a qualifying game the US played in Guatemala some years back. With a 1-0 lead and not allowing the guatemalans anything, one of guatemelan forwards took a cheap shot against our keeper and soon aftwards scored the equalizer. Soon after that, they scored again to win the game after not doing anything for the first 85 minutes. That game was highway robbery, IMO.

[jerrito]

I'd really only bring that comment out if I felt one team dominated the other but a cheap tactic or dive here and there and the team playing poorly was awarded with a goal they didn't deserve. The WC final wasn't that case. The italians owned France in the first half, didn't have the stamina to maintain their play in the second half and France came out and played better. but both teams had great chances and italy had a second goal wiped away due to an offsides call.

The only game I can really say one team deserved to win over the other was a qualifying game the US played in Guatemala some years back. With a 1-0 lead and not allowing the guatemalans anything, one of guatemelan forwards took a cheap shot against our keeper and soon aftwards scored the equalizer. Soon after that, they scored again to win the game after not doing anything for the first 85 minutes. That game was highway robbery, IMO.


I think that was very much on the mark. And I totally agree.

[QuakeAttack]

I'd really only bring that comment out if I felt one team dominated the other but a cheap tactic or dive here and there and the team playing poorly was awarded with a goal they didn't deserve. The WC final wasn't that case. The italians owned France in the first half, didn't have the stamina to maintain their play in the second half and France came out and played better. but both teams had great chances and italy had a second goal wiped away due to an offsides call.

The only game I can really say one team deserved to win over the other was a qualifying game the US played in Guatemala some years back. With a 1-0 lead and not allowing the guatemalans anything, one of guatemelan forwards took a cheap shot against our keeper and soon aftwards scored the equalizer. Soon after that, they scored again to win the game after not doing anything for the first 85 minutes. That game was highway robbery, IMO.

The player was Carlos Ruiz. You should be familiar with him. :D

[ftotti1]

i don't see how France deserved to win they got a dodgy penalty call and Zidne nearly missed that the italians hit back dominated the 1st half then came out scored as goal to be judged off side tired but held resolute and conceded no goals to hold on and win in penalties against a dirty french team who dove the entire first half then head butted and elbowed people in the head.:mad:

[Excape Goat]

France did doimniate during the 2nd half and extra time, but Italy did have many good chances during the same period. Toni had a goal disallowed. Pirlo nearly scored with a freekick. Henry got a few good chances too. France did not really deserve to win.

[Paolo Rossi]

It all is pretty easy, actually. There are no "deserved" wins, nor are there "undeserved" losses, just wins, draws, losses - basta. All that "deserved/undeserved" business is just meaningless post-game banter by coaches, players, pundits and fans. Due to the low-scoring nature of the game, there is a huge factor of luck in football - you cannot really earn it.

[johan neeskens]

What, we're no longer allowed to be bitter in football?

[Caesar]

What, we're no longer allowed to be bitter in football?
There's a special exclusion clause for the Dutch.

[johan neeskens]

There's a special exclusion clause for the Dutch.

And we deserve it too.

[maize]

And we deserve it too.

Haha, I can feel the pain. At least your being a good sport about it!

[DaveyGorgeous]

France played very well. Italy won, they lost.

Who "deserves" to win will never be remembered so who cares

[benztown]

After reading alot of posts over the past month, i noticed alot of people saying that the team that "DESERVED" to win didn't and they are bitter about that.

But what does that mean anyways??, let us take the Final for example since its fresh in everyones mind, Italy dominated in the first half, then the next 70 minutes france came on VERY strong and attacked relentlessly, so i've read people saying France "Deserved" to win. But did they really?, at the end of the day isn't it all about putting the ball in the net, if they failed to do that then why would they deserve to win??, i'm using this match only as an example.

IF your team played Flawlessly and had more posession than the opponents, but failed to capitalize on their chances and lost say 1-0 to a conceded corner, why did they "DESERVE" to win.

Anyone?

I almost totally agree with you.

The only exception I'd make is if there are some wrong desicions by the ref that totally change the outcome. And I'm not even talking about a dive that results in the deciding penalty like the one in the Italy vs. Australia game. If Australia was leading until that dive, things would have been different, but since they weren't able to score, they didn't deserve to win.

Another example was the goal by Vieira that wasn't given. It was a goal and France would therefore have deserved to win, even though they didn't.

[Reazzurro90]

Another example was the goal by Vieira that wasn't given. It was a goal and France would therefore have deserved to win, even though they didn't.

Where exactly was this "goal" that Viera scored? Or are you referring to what happened in the penalty box with Zambrotta?

In that case, what about Toni's annulled goal? Or the first penalty that was in the game? Had that not existed, wouldn't have the game technically ended with an Italian 1-0 victory?

[johan neeskens]

Haha, I can feel the pain. At least your being a good sport about it!

The Dutch still can't watch the 1974 final, that's how bitter we are.

[johan neeskens]

France played very well. Italy won, they lost.

Who "deserves" to win will never be remembered so who cares

As a follow-up to my previous post, I don't think the football world has forgotten the 1974 no. 2, and how they played throughout the tournament. If you were to compare the number of books written about the German 1974 squad and the Dutch 1974 squad in any case.

In short, the really painful losses are remembered. This world cup final wasn't painful at all though in that regard.

[DaveyGorgeous]

As a follow-up to my previous post, I don't think the football world has forgotten the 1974 no. 2, and how they played throughout the tournament. If you were to compare the number of books written about the German 1974 squad and the Dutch 1974 squad in any case.

In short, the really painful losses are remembered. This world cup final wasn't painful at all though in that regard.

I see your point Johan, it is definitely remembered with those that sufferred the loss. I mean I'll always remember Italy's loss to Brazil in PKs of '94 but I feel that loss is more remembered by those who endured it, not by the entire soccer community as a whole (this comes over time). But for recent history, yes it is remembered...

Like when this world cup final took place and it went into PKs some people asked me "Oh Italy lost in the finals on Pks in 94? Ohhh yeaaa thats right... yea Brazil won, right?" Sad but true...

[johan neeskens]

I see your point Johan, it is definitely remembered with those that sufferred the loss. I mean I'll always remember Italy's loss to Brazil in PKs of '94 but I feel that loss is more remembered by those who endured it, not by the entire soccer community as a whole (this comes over time). But for recent history, yes it is remembered...

Like when this world cup final took place and it went into PKs some people asked me "Oh Italy lost in the finals on Pks in 94? Ohhh yeaaa thats right... yea Brazil won, right?" Sad but true...

Bitter and undeserved losses are part of the game though. Part of what makes football special. Without the bitterness there wouldn't be any rivalries, for starters, and what would football be without rivalries.

[Autologic]

I see your point Johan, it is definitely remembered with those that sufferred the loss. I mean I'll always remember Italy's loss to Brazil in PKs of '94 but I feel that loss is more remembered by those who endured it, not by the entire soccer community as a whole (this comes over time). But for recent history, yes it is remembered...

Up until this final only us italian fans knew the true pain of losing the world cup final on pk. Its a terrible feeling.

[DaveyGorgeous]

Up until this final only us italian fans knew the true pain of losing the world cup final on pk. Its a terrible feeling.

Ain't that the truth... wash that feeling down though Autologic with the new taste of our 4th Cup