PK Scenarios - Pls Clarify

[Footballer]

I'm somewhat embarrassed to ask this, but as they say, "The only dumb question is the one not asked" or "Let's ask it on BigSoccer.com instead of not knowing when this comes up on the field."

Anyway, the kicker of the PK rockets the ball off the crossbar/goal post and it came right back to him. He cannot touch that ball a second time.

Now, what if the kicker of the PK shot the ball and the GK parries it right back to the kicker. Can he touch it?

In the LoTG, it reads, "The kicker touches the ball a second time (except with his hands) before it has touched another player."

So, based on that, it seems the PK taker can shoot it again if the GK parries it right back to him.

I just want to make sure that is the case.

[misltek]

The ball must touch another player. The goalkeeper is another player. Therefore, if your shot deflects off of him or touches him in any way and bounces back to you, you can touch the ball again.

If it bounces from a bar or post and does not touch the goalkeeper or any other player, you cannot touch the ball again. PENALTY: IFK for the defending team at the point of infraction.

[misltek]

Except in the goal area...then, at the spot of the goal area line parallel to the goal line etc......

Also, this is not valid in Kicks from the Mark. Once the ball is kicked, the kicker may not touch it a second time (PK shootout).

[refmike]

This is really not a silly question.

The answer is correct - the kicker can play the ball if it comes back from the keeper.

But note that this is different in normal play where control by the keeper must be considered. For example, an offside player cannot take the ball deflected from a keeper - he is still offisde. But if the keeper controlls the direction of the ball and it goes to an offside player, it can be played because the keeper (defender) had control and that resets the offside. On a PK, there is no question of control. Any contact allows the kicker a second shot.

[BC_Ref]

So, based on that, it seems the PK taker can shoot it again if the GK parries it right back to him.

I just want to make sure that is the case.

Just make sure you are asking about a penalty kick rather than kicks from the mark. If you are, your analysis is bang on. A parry from a keeper allows the kicker to kick it again. Just remember that the keeper is just a player dressed in a funny outfit and allowed to touch the ball sometimes. Vital if you are acting as AR where one team's keeper likes to wander around.

[Law5]

This is really not a silly question.

The answer is correct - the kicker can play the ball if it comes back from the keeper.

But note that this is different in normal play where control by the keeper must be considered. For example, an offside player cannot take the ball deflected from a keeper - he is still offisde. But if the keeper controlls the direction of the ball and it goes to an offside player, it can be played because the keeper (defender) had control and that resets the offside. On a PK, there is no question of control. Any contact allows the kicker a second shot.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. An offside player on a penalty kick? Why did the referee allow the kick to be taken if there was an attacking player standing closer to the goal line than the ball?
I also strongly object to the casual use of "that resets the offside." Please tell me where the term "resets" appears in the Laws of the Game or FIFA Q&A.

[refmike]

I said IN NORMAL PLAY. I was trying to make a distinction between the rule in a penalty kick and any other time when the keeper touches the ball. For NORMAL play, we must consider touch vs control but for a PK, any contact allows the kicker to have a second go at the ball.

[usatowin]

This is really not a silly question.

The answer is correct - the kicker can play the ball if it comes back from the keeper.

But note that this is different in normal play where control by the keeper must be considered. For example, an offside player cannot take the ball deflected from a keeper - he is still offisde. But if the keeper controlls the direction of the ball and it goes to an offside player, it can be played because the keeper (defender) had control and that resets the offside. On a PK, there is no question of control. Any contact allows the kicker a second shot.

Just to keep it simple: The Laws clearly state either touched by or controlled/played by. Touched means touched. Controlled/played means a deliberate and successful play, ie just because he tries to head it out, if it skips off him and goes backwards, the offside isn't reset.