This is why I don't go to Norwegian Death Metal concerts anymore...

[Footix]

http://www.nme.com/news/story.htm?ID=104435

[Michael K.]

Swedish Death Metal kicks its ass six ways to Sunday, anyway.


Is there any place in the WORLD, other than Scandinavia, where you'd find metalheads articulate enough to use the world 'ambivalent'?

[ross from st paul]

wow!!! and the title of the article was a tasty li'l takeoff on a great jam song!!!
thanks for the link, footix!
plus, it's a DARN funny article!!! no WAY any of that could be fiction: it's too bizarre!!!

this is just PRICELESS!!!!
"Euronymous was stabbed to death two years later by the band's bass player Count Grishnackh, allegedly due to the fact that Euronmyous had a more "evil" reputation."
see you can TELL it's "on the continent," and not in the UK, onaccounta he's a COUNT, and not an EARL!!!

the big cheese: "and because i am so eee-vil, you shall all die the hard way: under the drill."
"there, now poor floppsie's dead, and never called me 'mother.'"

[cj herrera]

I'm just loving the idea of "Blasphemer" saying "The whole thing was an accident," and then offering the fan free tickets.

Shouldn't Blasphemer's response be
"DIE You Futile Spawn of Satan,
D-I-I-I-I-I-I-E You Soul-less Wretch,
D-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-E -E-E-E....
and here's a free T-Shirt."

[supersport]

I wonder what Tipper Gore would have to say about this?

[Red Harvest]

Get it right people. Mayhem are not death metal, they're Black metal.

Sheeshh....

[slipknotter]

Originally posted by Red Harvest
Get it right people. Mayhem are not death metal, they're Black metal.

Sheeshh....
This could spark a thread of its own. I know there's a difference, but what is it? Is black metal the bands that sing "kill your mother/kill your father/worship satan" songs?

[Footix]

I was actually asked to interview Count Grishnackh a few years ago by phone from his prison cell by his American PR guy. I was afraid he'd put a spell or something on me so I passed. That's some freaky s***.

[Alex_K]

Originally posted by slipknotter
This could spark a thread of its own. I know there's a difference, but what is it? Is black metal the bands that sing "kill your mother/kill your father/worship satan" songs?

The most important thing in Black Metal is the ideology, which is nihilistic and anti-christian (but not neceserly satanic).

[J. Books]

Originally posted by slipknotter
This could spark a thread of its own. I know there's a difference, but what is it? Is black metal the bands that sing "kill your mother/kill your father/worship satan" songs?


It is different than death metal.

I'm not an expert myself but the guitarist and drummer in my band are all goofy on the stuff, so I've heard a bit of it.

The Scandanavian Black Metal tends to be infused with Odinist and Wagnerian undertones. Both idealistically and musically. Don't be suprised to hear organs and strings on the albums.

And if you want to get nitty-gritty, Hard core Black metalers are measurably more "evil" than death metal people. More than a few of the founding fathers of the music scene are in jail or have served time for murder, burning down churches, and other unpleasantness.

[hemariva]

I cried. I'm going to play "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" on my acoustic now.

[mactheknife]

black metal is more epic/orchestral/musical
death metal is more fast/violent

i love em both, but BM is far superior. everyone should listen to children of bodom.

[Aimer, Northend Diva]

any of you know of Mortis?

[BlueMeanie]

Originally posted by Aimer, Northend Diva
any of you know of Mortis?
Yes. Mortiis is that hilarious elf-costumed weirdo with the big nose who plays extremely weird music, not really heavy metal but using certain heavy metal structures. Earlier solo stuff was a bit more ambient. He also used to be the bass player in Emperor.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005Q7GQ.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

[BakedAlaskan]

Originally posted by Alex_K
The most important thing in Black Metal is the ideology, which is nihilistic and anti-christian (but not neceserly satanic).

You linked me to this site for the music files(rams) and I should curse you for that.Like I don't spend enough time on the damn computer.It was the first time I heard Vendetta's "Go And Live...Stay And Die" in about a decade.I almost cried.

Anyway,back on topic.Here is part of the editorial notation found at the very bottom of this long page....

http://vibrationsofdoom.com/issues/doom32.htm

After all this time, few things in the music world seem to shock me anymore. As a few interviews have mentioned, I have read the book "Lords Of Chaos" from cover to cover quite a few times, and I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to understand the Black Metal scene and it's most humblest of beginnings. The quotes from scene founders and eye witness accounts from many different sides puts a whole different perspective on the church burnings and murders that took place splashed amongst the tabloids and magazines worldwide.

After many of you read the Dark Funeral interview, drunken ramblings or not, it is quite a few months AFTER the interview took place that I finally understood what Caligula was so pissed off about. His comment about people not understanding Satanism brought to light the fact that some people may follow a scene without really comprehending what may be a deeper meaning. And to answer a question, to many of my readers who may be wondering: In some ways, I do understand the logic and reasoning behind the church arsons in Scandinavia and throughout the world when Black Metal ideology is involved.

The so called "christians," the same ones who preach love, peace and turning the other cheek on one hand, were and still are responsible and accountable for much of the horrors in the known world, not only today but throughout history. The church burnings were justified as revenge for murdering and plundering the Viking lands and landmarks. For those not in the know, since the Viking culture was all but wiped out by Christianity years ago, many of these so called "historic" churches were built right on top of conquered Viking sacred ground. The "christians" razed their temples, raped and killed their women, and then to add further insult to injury, built their own churches right on the spot where the rightful owners' buildings once stood.

PEACE

[Alex_K]

Originally posted by mactheknife
black metal is more epic/orchestral/musical


I recommend you to listen to the following albums:
Sodom - In the Sign of Evil
Hellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids
early Bathory and Celtic Frost
and of course some Venom

----------------------------------
Black metal is the game I play
'cause no one show me the right way
I am a bloody Antichrist, only believe in bad
Spit at the church, Evil I get

Blasphemer. . . .
Rites of death, Return to Hell
I am Satan's child, attack you with Spell

I turn the cross upside down
and read Satanic Bible with ************ing grown
my life begins at midnight twelve
masturbate to kill myself

Blasphemer. . . .

I love to drink my own blood
my sin is my life in a war with god
I talk to the demons night to night
make love and black masses in a dark shadow light

Blasphemer. . . .

[Sodom - Blasphemer, just because i love to post lyrics]

[Alex_K]

Originally posted by BakedAlaskan
You linked me to this site for the music files(rams) and I should curse you for that.Like I don't spend enough time on the damn computer.


Sorry ! ;)

[BlueMeanie]

Originally posted by Alex_K
I recommend you to listen to the following albums:
Sodom - In the Sign of Evil
Hellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids
early Bathory and Celtic Frost
and of course some Venom
Isn't Hellhammer basically early Celtic Frost? I know Tom G. Warrior was in Hellhammer, wasn't Martin Ain, too? I don't remember.

I used to play all the above on college radio in the 80s.

Just curious, how do you guys classify Opeth? Sometimes death, sometimes goth, sometimes doom, sometimes dirge, sometimes Ottmar Liebert? Blackwater Park and My Arms Your Hearse are two of the most brilliantly diverse extreme metal albums I've heard.

[mactheknife]

my favorite black metal:

emperor (duh)
mayhem (see above)
children of bodom
dimmu borgir
symphony x
dark funeral
dark tranquility (though thats pushing it)


and though they're not death metal i feel obligated to add that at the gates rule.

hard.

[Alex_K]

Originally posted by BlueMeanie
Isn't Hellhammer basically early Celtic Frost? I know Tom G. Warrior was in Hellhammer, wasn't Martin Ain, too? I don't remember.

Basically yes. But today Thomas Fischer (Warrior's real name) hates what he did with Hellhamer. I have heard that his recently released Celtic Frost biography "Are you morbid" contains a lot of Hellhammer bashing. (reminds me that i still need to order this book. I love band biographies.)

Originally posted by BlueMeanie

Just curious, how do you guys classify Opeth? Sometimes death, sometimes goth, sometimes doom, sometimes dirge, sometimes Ottmar Liebert? Blackwater Park and My Arms Your Hearse are two of the most brilliantly diverse extreme metal albums I've heard.

Usually i don't like to classify bands (i only use the terms Speed/Thrash, Death, Black, Doom and Power/Heavy Metal) - today every band seems to name his own genre, which usually sounds quite stupid (Black Pagan Celtic War Metal ?). What was the question again ? Oh yes, Opeth... to be honest i don't know (then i usually call a band progressive, that's never wrong).