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bsas
03 Jul 2006, 04:37 AM
Just my evaluation about the players and whether I see them in 2010 or not:

Pato : has proved that he deserved his place as our goalie in this tournament. Unfortunately could not be there for the PK, because he seems to have a good experience in that. Maybe he would have stopped some, and without a cheat ;) But it's now time to look for a younger keeper. We have plenty of prospects with Fraco, Ustari and maybe Barbosa as well.

Ayala : this guy has been incredible. His positioning is first class, and he is always jumping higher and more precisely than the opponent, however tall they are. I really hope he can still be with us in 2010, because though he won't run that much, he is very solid and anticipates very well.

Heinze : coming back from injury, he has shown the great defender he is. I hope next WC he will still be there and in better shape.

Coloccini : people were blasting him, but his last match has shown that he is back to his pre Confed cup final shape. He has a great future with our NT imho.

G. Milito : a possible replacement for Ayala. Very good positioning and anticipation, but does he jump as high? Also he will have to clean up his act, because he has shown some dangerous tackles in the penalty box.

Cufré : again a player that was despised, yet he has been very good in his few appearances. May develop into one of the players for 2010.

Burdisso : a shame he got injured because he defended his right side very well. I still feel Colo, when in shape, to be a better choice there, though.

Scaloni : what to say? I am not convinced. I think/hope this will be his last appearance on the field for the NT. Ideally, he could get a place as an assistant to the coach, to cheer our guys with his humour...

Sorin : has worked his soul out, as usual. But not as effective as before, specially on crosses. I think he may be too old for 2010, and he also may not remain the captain when Pekerman leaves.

Mascherano : a great actuation, and a very promising prospect for 2010. This guy is our future.

Cambiasso : a very low profile player, but everyone will remember him for the 2nd goal against S&M. He has shown his presence in midfield throughout. He may also be too old for 2010 though. Younger players will pick up I think.

Maxi : this boy has the potential to become a great one. Hardly anyone knew him before this WC, but his goals have attracted lot of attention on him. Should be there in 2010.

Lucho : has not shown anything in this WC, unfortunately. Surprising when one knows how efficient he has been with Porto. Maybe a player who needs to be in control, like Riquelme.

Riquelme : had a good WC, when we all were expecting him to have an amazing one. Has been a Zidane-light (as in France-Switzerland) when he could have been a real Zidane (as in France-Brazil). I think this was his last WC, because it's a player that needs to be in control, and we can't give him control as he's getting old. I see Messi taking up the nr 10.

Aimar : was good when he had the chance to play. He's a delicate machinery: gets injured easily, but when in shape, he can make a difference. He deserves a last shot in 2010.

Saviola : had a great WC. Has shown that we could still count on him and that he was a danger to any defences. He'll be one of the choices for 2010.

Crespo : our best striker, has shown he's class. But I'm afraid this will be his last WC. Can't see him as sharp with 4 years more. We'll have to find a replacement to him, and someone tall, because we need at least one guy to threaten defences in the air...

Cruz : very disappointing. He came with a good aura, as having scored more goals than Adriano at Inter, but seeing the shape of Adriano, it didn't mean shite. I hope it's last time we see him with NT. Specially that his diving at the slightest touch is annoying.

Palacio : he ridiculed himself on the field, against IC. But then no one was there to assist him. I still feel he can become one of our main strikers, maybe to replace Crespo.

Messi : what to say.... Everyone's heart was bleeding to have him on the bench when our team was defeated. He is our future. He will turn into a Diego-like nr 10, and lead our team to many victories. This is my deep feeling.

Tevez : the second pillar to our temple... A combination of talent and hard work. Will definitely be there in 2010, with more hunger than ever.

Whatever it is, all these guys will have to fight hard for their places against very promising outsiders: Aguero, Gago, Rosales, Ustari, Barbosa, ...

Pekerman
03 Jul 2006, 05:22 AM
Riquelme should not have started if he was nurturing an injury or not playing up to his potential. As a huge fan of Riquelme ( Particularly his Boca jr days) I feel deeply deceived by him. He had immense potential but he did not live up to it. Not even close. Where is the dominant Riquelme that hyptonised his markers ? Where is the Riquelme that takes venomous shots from any angle ? He could not even get ONE shot on target. Riquelme was supposed to be our enganche. But most of the time he acted as a central midfielder and kept passing the ball back. He was too slow and too damn predictable.

I realise that he had his moment of genius. I realise that he was not playing particularly bad. He was doing a good job at keeping possession.

But that is not enough for a player wearing our #10 shirt. In my opinion Aimar or Messi would have offered us so much more. Even D'Alessandro would have allowed for a more dynamic system.

I feel bad for Aimar. I do not think he will ever shine with the national team. Why do people keep bringing up injuries as if that is what kept him on the bench. Aimar was totally fit in this World Cup and the one before.

Bottom line: Riquelme should not be in our squad in 2010. He is too much of a reliabilty. You need to base the entire team around him and frankly we were limited in the attack because of him. Even when we exploded against Serbia he was not an important factor.

I would go for something like this in the future:

--------------Ustari-----------
Burdisso---Gonzalo--Milito---Heinze
----------Mascherano-----------
----Maxi/Lucho--------Gago-----
------------Messi--------
--------Tevez---Aguero---

Lucho's performances in this World Cup were not remarkable. But he only played in the game against Germany. I do not think that this can represent his talent correctly.

EL MONO MARIO
03 Jul 2006, 09:10 AM
The future looks bright. Ayala, Cufre, Scaloni we may never see again.. Remember... There are still Andres D'Alessandro's out there that if they can live up to potential they are national teamers... MArtin Demichelis, players at Velez and Newell's like Ignacion Scoco...... Some will stay some will go.. But the future is there like always.. Players do NOT concern me rather a good coach.. And the list is short. VERY SHORT!

sohka88
03 Jul 2006, 09:15 AM
Riquelme was supposed to be our enganche. But most of the time he acted as a central midfielder and kept passing the ball back. He was too slow and too damn predictable.


When I sad this a few months ago everyone jumped on me... now everyone sees it.

Riquelme is TOO slow. I say he goes backwards 95% of the time.

--------------Ustari-----------
Burdisso---Gonzalo--Milito---Heinze
----------Mascherano-----------
----Maxi/Lucho--------Gago-----
------------Messi--------
--------Tevez---Aguero---

I like this lineup but there is no one going up the flanks..... Neither Heinze nor Burdisso will do what Sorin did.
Lucho should not be there though... He has shown 0 in the NT.

Please no D'alessandro

bsas
03 Jul 2006, 09:17 AM
I like this lineup but there is no one going up the flanks.....

Rosales is great on sides. I have great hopes to see him included in the next NT.

ilovefotball
03 Jul 2006, 09:24 AM
it is too early to predict our team for 2010. some of this guys are not going to be as good as they are now, and some new faces might emerge in this 4 years . only players who i am certain to be in NT in 2010 and whom i hope should be there are Messi, Tevez, Aguero, Aimar, Heinze, Gonzalo, Lucho, Mascherano, Ustari, Gago, Maxi. and i hope new talents who can make our team better emerges within 3 years.

ElMuneco
03 Jul 2006, 10:18 AM
You guys are forgetting about Cavenaghi and Maxi Lopez. If these two are able to get some playing time with there respective clubs, then maybe they'll be able to show what kind of player they were back in Argentina. Cavenaghi is just in a bad situation in Russia and should move on to a Spanish club. As for Maxi Lopez, with his move to Mallorca, hopefully it will help his development as a player cause sitting on the bech at Barcelona wasn't doing him any good.:o

GringoTex
03 Jul 2006, 10:33 AM
Riquelme should not have started if he was nurturing an injury or not playing up to his potential. As a huge fan of Riquelme ( Particularly his Boca jr days) I feel deeply deceived by him. He had immense potential but he did not live up to it. Not even close. Where is the dominant Riquelme that hyptonised his markers ?


???? Riquelme dominated the midfield in every single game. If he wasn't taken out against Germany, you guys win. That's when Germany started controlling the tempo of the play.

For me, Riquelme was the best player in the World Cup. Sure, he didn't take shots, but he didn't need to.

in da soup
03 Jul 2006, 11:20 AM
i agree w you gringo, we had many good perfromers in this wc, ayala was undoubtedly the best.

but our troubles started when peker, inexplicably, replaced romy with cuchu.

romy had a great tournament.

sohka88
03 Jul 2006, 01:06 PM
As for Maxi Lopez, with his move to Mallorca, hopefully it will help his development as a player cause sitting on the bech at Barcelona wasn't doing him any good.

Are you kidding? Maxi lopes blows... I don't even know y barcelona got him.

locoxriver
03 Jul 2006, 04:39 PM
When I sad this a few months ago everyone jumped on me... now everyone sees it.

Riquelme is TOO slow. I say he goes backwards 95% of the time.

--------------Ustari-----------
Burdisso---Gonzalo--Milito---Heinze
----------Mascherano-----------
----Maxi/Lucho--------Gago-----
------------Messi--------
--------Tevez---Aguero---

I like this lineup but there is no one going up the flanks..... Neither Heinze nor Burdisso will do what Sorin did.
Lucho should not be there though... He has shown 0 in the NT.

Please no D'alessandro

Yup.. Now that we lost, people finally realized how bad Riquelme did.. But truthfully, he had been performing that way the whole World Cup.. I would say that, and people would go crazy on me.. :rolleyes:

As for Lucho showing "0" in the National Team, what games have you been watching? In this World Cup, he barely played one game.. and against Germany.. I think people are underrating his performance that day.. But anyway, that's still one game.. He played great in the WCQ, in the Olympics, in Copa America.. He was one of our best players for a long time..

Please no D'Alessandro? Then who? Name me someone who can support more than him for our team.. Get back to me on that one..

Pekerman
03 Jul 2006, 05:04 PM
D'Alessandro made a huge mistake by going to Germany. Otherwise I always saw him as a national team player. He had a good half season in England and now he will finally play in la liga like he should have from the start.

Players like D'Alessandro are unfortunate to go to leagues that do not suit them. River should look for the personal interest of their players not just for the money. I am looking forward to watching D'alessandro, Aimar and the Milito brothers at Zaragoza next season. It is going to be a real treat.

I do not understand why is Maxi Lopez even mentioned. Sure he had some potential but he should not be considered for the NT. He is not a player of that caliber. I can name about a dozen argentine strikers who deserve a shot before him.

locoxriver
03 Jul 2006, 05:30 PM
I do not understand why is Maxi Lopez even mentioned. Sure he had some potential but he should not be considered for the NT. He is not a player of that caliber. I can name about a dozen argentine strikers who deserve a shot before him.
Agreed.

leoriver
03 Jul 2006, 09:09 PM
1. El Pato-actually did well in this WC but will be too old for the next one in 2010.So our future for now are Ustari and Lux

2.Ayala- will also be old come around 2010 but im hoping for a miracle and hope he is still in good shape around that time.Definitaly the player I will miss the most for our NT.Future might aswell be Lilito which I do like his play,we shall see how he developes.

3.Sorin- Well no comment here,also another great one that I highly doubt will be on the NT in 2010.A huge factor that can play all over the field.Hopefully someone with his type of skills will show up.

4.Burdisso-Did alright nothing spectacular but I still think there will be someone better by the time Argentina makes their next team.If not I don't mind if he is on the NT.

5.Mascherano- Will continue.

6. Heinze- A warrior that gave it all but also will be, what? 32 by 2010.Thanks for everything Gaby.

7.Saviola-Played well except for vs Mexico but still is a player worth having and still has a bright future.

8.Lucho Gonzalez-Great player and I think he still has alot to show and prove.Still has a future with the NT.

9.Crespo- Did what he could,knowing he's a player that depends on people to give him chances inside the box.As of now I don't see a player like him in Argentina right now and i'm a fan have having un 9 with his style just like el Batigol,somebody with height inside the area is very important.

10.Riquelme- he's 28 right now and will be 32 for when 2010 comes around,he will definitaly be too slow by then.

11.Maxi-Huge factor that can play on the right or on the left with good chances of getting to the opponents goal.Hopefully he will also be around for a good while.




Aimar-he will have to be at top of his game if he wants to have any chances at the NT,played very little but you can tell he's a special player to have.Hopefully he can stay healthy.

Messi- OUR FUTURE,NUFF SAID.


Milito- has a bright future ahead of him,a very physical player and I think he might very well be our next sweeper.I'm happy if that does happen.

Cruz- A good sub to have but won't be around to play with the NT.


Coloccini-Who knows what will happen with him.

Scaloni-Would have a better chance if he trys stand up comedy for a change.

Palacio-Has alot of potential and is a great player.Hopefully he will go to Europe and develop more.We are going to need him

Cambiasso-Regardless many don't like him I think he's an excellent player maybe not that great in recovering but he will be a great sub to have.DFon't know if he also will be ina any of the coaches minds that will take over the NT.

----------------------------------future---------------------------------

Aguero
Ustari
Messi
Cavenaghi
D'Alessandro

and many more....

GringoTex
03 Jul 2006, 11:14 PM
Yup.. Now that we lost, people finally realized how bad Riquelme did.. But truthfully, he had been performing that way the whole World Cup.. I would say that, and people would go crazy on me.. :rolleyes:


Anybody who thinks Riquelme wasn't the reason for everything good about Argentina this World Cup doesn't understand what's going on. Today's game isn't based on speed- it's based on ball control- and Riquelme is the best in the world at it.

Castroman
03 Jul 2006, 11:15 PM
Sorry to disappoint u but i think half of these guys wont make it near 2010!!!!

the midfield?

u got players like Gago, Torres, Montillo, Biglia, Ocampo, Gracian, Rosales, Santana, D`Alessandro coming up and trust me they dont like slow tempo!

2010 i would go for something like this


--------------Ustari
Ferarri/Zabaleta----Palleta/Gonzalo-----Millito/Heinze-----Mareque/Clemente

Maxi/Rosales-----Messi--------Gago----------D'Alessandro

------------------Aguero--------Cavenaghi

Bench??? i dont know u pick
Barbosa, Lux, Carrizo
Samuel, Garay, Cabral, Both Botinelli Brother, Barroso, Broggi, Santana, Mascherano, Aimar, Cardozo, Cabrera, Lucho, Barrientos, Montillo, Insua, Torres, Castroman, Sccoco, Zarate, Tevez, Saviola, Lopez, D.Millito, Frutos, Higuain.

leoriver
03 Jul 2006, 11:27 PM
Disappoint me? I just evaluted their performances of this wc.I know half of them won't be there and that Argentina has alot of material to work with.Really can't wait to see what or whos the next coach and what ideals he has.

elciclon
03 Jul 2006, 11:37 PM
as much as i like barbosa lux ustari, i think that if he keeps his level up saja should be the keeper at 2010, he went down a knotch but is recovered now that his back at sl. his back to his old self. his going to have the age and experience.