Thoughts About Argentina's Performance!!!

[Castroman]

After watching all games our boys played i am not just going for Argentina anymore as a matter afact i am proud as hell to cheer it up for this team!!!

the players played from heart what a soul and a performance they showed those players are pure class!

Although we went into this world cup fearing the coach's mistakes i really came to conclude that his mistakes did affect us. all do respect but the worst fear happened the same thing that happened to us in our friendly matches against England and Croatia. to be honest i agree with Maradona when he said that this is not Pekerman's level he gets confused and messes things up, he was actually right.

other things i liked to talk about such as ppl and fans talking about the coach needs more time a couple of yrs with these players to do well. all i have to say is guys ur not Korea and ur not Australia! ur Argentina ur players are talented u have a great league and ur a power house a monkey can put ur players together and have them play a good game! but all that counts is the subs that u make and what period of the game.

Pekerman talks about how he trusts Riquelme and subs him out! seems very confident about his playmaker.

he also concluded that we had a great tournament and we failed? Argentina didnt fail the players succeded but the coach fail! and wants to drag all others with him! Tevez is not Superman playing by himself for 120 mins up in front.

and honestly ive never seen a coach who decides on a player 1 hour before the match for an example Coloccini's situation which was decided 1 hr before the game.

anyways u may or may not like what ive talked about and said in this thread and i really would like to hear opinions and things u guys have to say back all i want to say is Argentina didnt lose they won! the players played from heart and won the match they played!

although many others should have been in the roster such as: Castroman, Zannetti, Santana, D'Alessandro, Zabaleta, Samuel, Lux, Diego Milltio

some were great in their leagues and still didnt get the chance they really deserved to be in this world cup! but i dont think any of those would forgive pekerman and neither would the ones he actually picked

[Moishe]

and honestly ive never seen a coach who decides on a player 1 hour before the match for an example Coloccini's situation which was decided 1 hr before the game.

That being said Coloccini behind Ayala and Tevez was probably the next best Argentine on the pitch yesterday. Most of your post I do agree with aside from the Santana, Castroman, Zabaleta, Samuel and Lux comment.

[Pekerman]

Zabaleta seem to be over-rated around here. He is such an average player. Have you watched his performances in La Liga ? He was anonymous for the entire season. He is a good leader but not a particularly good talent.

[elciclon]

Zabaleta seem to be over-rated around here. He is such an average player. Have you watched his performances in La Liga ? He was anonymous for the entire season. He is a good leader but not a particularly good talent.
you're right to a certain extent, zaba is decent but you're probably not going to have ayala in the backline and you need someone like zabaleta, apart from that he puts alot of balls and that is another crucial part for a player.

[Pekerman]

you're right to a certain extent, zaba is decent but you're probably not going to have ayala in the backline and you need someone like zabaleta, apart from that he puts alot of balls and that is another crucial part for a player.

Gonzalo has been one of the best defenders in Spain and Europe last season. Looks like a great prospect. Burdisso and Milito could both play in the next World Cup. Heinze would be about 31 so he has possibilities to replace Sorin ( But I do not think he is nearly as good as Sorin attacking).

Many good young defenders in Argentina as well. We need to work on continuity between the back four and hopefully we can be as solid as we were in this tournament.

[elciclon]

the thing that i think we need to improve is the fact that we had a straight back four, and sorin didnt go up as much as were used to, zaba has the ability to go up the wing in a protective manner, we still have 4 years and a new coach to look forward too, i always liked pekerman and riquelme but i think that pekerman changes werent as good as were acustumed to. and the fact that all our keepers didnt study germany's penelty takers like they did or our penalty takers look at lehmans penalty's to find the advantage like they did back in 90' with goyco. riquelme like i said i always defended but there are just some players that dont do as good on the albiceleste as they do on club level. we have to look forward to a bright future, i think that we have a world cup in africa that we need to look forward too. its in neutral soil and that we can take advantage of this. listening to el chino saja, im getting happy i am looking forward to seeing him play at the level he knows and hopefully he'll be in the form to be our #1 keeper.

[Castroman]

u guys wanna talk about a back four? ill give u a couple

Zabaleta---------Palleta-----------Botinelli-----------Clemente Rod

Ferrari---------Gonzalo-----------Millito------------Broggi

Barroso---------Garay----------Cabral---------------Mareque

wanna talk about midfielders?

Lucho---------Aimar---------Mascherano---------Santana

Castroman-----Gracian---------Gago-----------D'alessandro

Maxi Rod-----------Montillo----------Torres-------------Ocampo

Forwards??????????????

Maxi Lopez----------Tevez

Messi----------Cavenaghi

Aguero---------Higuain

Mauro Zarate---------Frutos

anyways just didnt want u guy to be a lot concerned but u can have all the talent in the world without a good coach seriously guys kiss the next cup goodbye! so what we need now is a coach that can handle a team! not take away the media! brazil have media all the time and they're the world champions for 5 times actually they're the most team that the media talks about and looks to interview because they have the best player in the world so whatever pekerman bull shitted in ur heads forget it its not a fact! 1986 media was up our ass and we still won it media has nothing to do with wrong fuc.ing subs!

[locoxriver]

u guys wanna talk about a back four? ill give u a couple

Zabaleta---------Palleta-----------Botinelli-----------Clemente Rod

Ferrari---------Gonzalo-----------Millito------------Broggi

Barroso---------Garay----------Cabral---------------Mareque

wanna talk about midfielders?

Lucho---------Aimar---------Mascherano---------Santana

Castroman-----Gracian---------Gago-----------D'alessandro

Maxi Rod-----------Montillo----------Torres-------------Ocampo

Forwards??????????????

Maxi Lopez----------Tevez

Messi----------Cavenaghi

Aguero---------Higuain

Mauro Zarate---------Frutos

Those are all great players, without a doubt, but I don't think most of them are at National Team level..

[Castroman]

they're all young and unexperienced just wait for 1 or 2 yrs and watch these guys they need to get call ups so they can get national level experience! all other players like riquelme, heinze, burdisso were the same when they were young but after getting capped a couple of times they became better and better so this is how it goes but i just answered the guys who were concerned about the future argentine team, i personally think the future team will be much better than this team, specially having aimar in with experience next to messi :>>:>:>:>:>

[cordobesenUS]

Argentina played well and we have an awsome team that makes the fans happy. Our elimination was only because our guys can't shoot penalties but as far as playing, Argentina didn't loose. The sad part for me was the fight after loosing, that was not necessary but it's going to hurt the Germans more than us, because they are going to loose Borowsky(I'm not sure if this is his name) for being an idiot. I think that our guys battled and died with dignity and best of all, without loosing any matches in time played. We have a team to hope for the future and we will have even more players coming up like Aguero. The future looks bright.

[mariealus]

Argentina played well and we have an awsome team that makes the fans happy. Our elimination was only because our guys can't shoot penalties but as far as playing, Argentina didn't loose. The sad part for me was the fight after loosing, that was not necessary but it's going to hurt the Germans more than us, because they are going to loose Borowsky(I'm not sure if this is his name) for being an idiot. I think that our guys battled and died with dignity and best of all, without loosing any matches in time played. We have a team to hope for the future and we will have even more players coming up like Aguero. The future looks bright.


Are you sure Borowski is banned from playing the next match? Where did you see this-because if it's true then maybe there is a little justice...

[bsas]

That being said Coloccini behind Ayala and Tevez was probably the next best Argentine on the pitch yesterday. Most of your post I do agree with aside from the Santana, Castroman, Zabaleta, Samuel and Lux comment.

Yes, Coloccini did great. So finally, our worries about the selected players had no foundation. Pato did well, Cufré also. Only Scaloni was a big disappointment imho. As he kept going forward, I couldn't find a reason why this guy got selected over Zanetti :confused:

So I think Pekerman selected very good players, that built up a great alchemy and showed some great football. But like others, I am very surprised about his subs. If Riquelme comes out, he should be replaced by Aimar, period. And you don't, simply don't leave Messi on the bench when you are playing a place in semifinals...

[Moishe]

Yes, Coloccini did great. So finally, our worries about the selected players had no foundation. Pato did well, Cufré also. Only Scaloni was a big disappointment imho. As he kept going forward, I couldn't find a reason why this guy got selected over Zanetti :confused:

So I think Pekerman selected very good players, that built up a great alchemy and showed some great football. But like others, I am very surprised about his subs. If Riquelme comes out, he should be replaced by Aimar, period. And you don't, simply don't leave Messi on the bench when you are playing a place in semifinals...

Pretty much agree with you.

[Castroman]

Argentina played well and we have an awsome team that makes the fans happy. Our elimination was only because our guys can't shoot penalties but as far as playing, Argentina didn't loose. The sad part for me was the fight after loosing, that was not necessary but it's going to hurt the Germans more than us, because they are going to loose Borowsky(I'm not sure if this is his name) for being an idiot. I think that our guys battled and died with dignity and best of all, without loosing any matches in time played. We have a team to hope for the future and we will have even more players coming up like Aguero. The future looks bright.


we had a great team most of them are old and u maybe not see the next world cup! not just that but we need tall and big boddied defenders like Palleta, Cabral, Garay! if u wanna compete against europeans?

[cordobesenUS]

Are you sure Borowski is banned from playing the next match? Where did you see this-because if it's true then maybe there is a little justice...


I'm not sure about this, but everyone is pointing their finger in that direction, also now there is evidence that Torsten Frings punched Julio Cruz and could be suspended, he was already notified by Fifa about being investigated. Unfortunately, Maxi Rodriguez was also caught punching Schweinsteiger in the back and probably will be suspended.Cufre also will probably be suspended for kicking Mertesacker. Either way from what I'm reading everything started because our players where saying things to the Germans as they took their penalty kicks in order to make them nervous and when finally one German put his finger in his mouth after scoring the winning ok as to tell them to be quiet, our players snapped and couldn't control themselves. The mor i find out about what happened the more it sucks.

[cordobesenUS]

we had a great team most of them are old and u maybe not see the next world cup! not just that but we need tall and big boddied defenders like Palleta, Cabral, Garay! if u wanna compete against europeans?

I think we will only loose Ayala, Aimar, Sorin, Riquelme and Cruz, maybe I'm forgeting someone else due to age. But the more thay go the better, because now we can finally reestructure the team, bring new blood to it. Aguero, Messi, Zabaleta, Ustari, Tevez and other that will be discovered will get a chance and we have good players. I don't think we are far from winning a WC, Argentina played better than Brasil this tournament, we didn't loose in 120 minutes.

[elciclon]

if im sad about something is ayala, his a tremoundus player and deserves alot more, his given everything and hopefully he has a miracleous (sp?) four years and at least get to sit on the bench to a world cup that i demnad that we win with all the talent that we are going to produce, same goes to aimar but on a lesser level.