View Full Version : Brasil vs. France (Luis Medina Cantalejo) [R]
Alberto
30 Jun 2006, 09:48 PM
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/06/t/ref/l/187224.jpg
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/ref/187224_MEDINA_CANTALEJO_Luis.html
Very experienced referee had a good match in his last match. Italy vs Australia
bestianera
01 Jul 2006, 07:13 AM
go tell that to the sore losers from Australia and especially USA :rolleyes:
ManiacalClown
01 Jul 2006, 02:33 PM
go tell that to the sore losers from Australia and especially USA :rolleyes:
What does the USA have to do with this? He never officiated one of our matches.
bestianera
01 Jul 2006, 02:39 PM
sorry, you're obviously not one of those sore losers.
This referee happened to have conceded the late pk to Italy vs. Australia, and Italy is not very popular amongst american posters these days
ManiacalClown
01 Jul 2006, 02:40 PM
sorry, you're obviously not one of those sore losers.
This referee happened to have conceded the late pk to Italy vs. Australia, and Italy is not very popular amongst american posters these days
Can't be a sore loser. We didn't lose to Italy. :D
MidwestRef
01 Jul 2006, 03:09 PM
sorry, you're obviously not one of those sore losers.
This referee happened to have conceded the late pk to Italy vs. Australia, and Italy is not very popular amongst american posters these days
Yes, I can't stand the diving of the Italians (I guess there's a commercial on the Internet showing "diving practice", where the coach blows the whistle and the players go down in agony), but the ITA-AUS PK was a great call. Medina absolutely deserves this assignment. He's been excellent the entire tournament.
nylaw5
01 Jul 2006, 04:00 PM
sorry, you're obviously not one of those sore losers.
This referee happened to have conceded the late pk to Italy vs. Australia, and Italy is not very popular amongst american posters these days
If Australia wouldn't have fouled, then there would have been no penalty. Put blame where it is due.
So far he is having a very good half, got the two decisions in the last five minutes right on.
nylaw5
01 Jul 2006, 04:59 PM
POST GAME -
Too bad, up until the second half he was my favorite ref of the tournament, I am not saying he was terrible or even remotely decided the game, but a couple calls left me scratching my head and I think he will not see another active assignment.
How about Brazil though? Where were they? France deserved that one.
olafgb
01 Jul 2006, 05:39 PM
He let go a bit too much. In the first half he whistles hand ball against Ronaldo at the free kick - if he considered this to be intentional (which is okay) then he has to whistle pk as Ronaldo was in the box. Ronaldo had two awful dives at the end of the game, at least the second should have been his second yellow. Mediocre performance by Cantalejo, but at least he had no influence in the score.
branko97
01 Jul 2006, 06:01 PM
Was France offside on the goal? The two players in the middle certainly were in an offside position, though Henry was on. What's the call?
MidwestRef
01 Jul 2006, 06:15 PM
Was France offside on the goal? The two players in the middle certainly were in an offside position, though Henry was on. What's the call?
By any current interpretation, this is a good goal. The two France players in the middle of the field were not actively involved in the play. The ball went so far over their heads and to Henry, who was onside. The only possible interpretation for offside would be that the keeper was influenced by the two offside players to keep from getting to the far post and Henry. However, I think you would have a very difficult time defending that decision.
bestianera
01 Jul 2006, 06:32 PM
Yes, I can't stand the diving of the Italianslike you can remember a dive of any significance by an italian player in this tournament?
Ted D
01 Jul 2006, 06:39 PM
He did okay. Missed a couple, but it's expected. Nice job from him.
JakeV
01 Jul 2006, 07:20 PM
like you can remember a dive of any significance by an italian player in this tournament?
If I remember right, the foul that led to the free kick on which the Italians scored their goal against the US was actually a dive by (I think) Pirlo.
However, I don't really think the Italians have dived more egregiously than any number of other teams in this tournament. So all the talk about the "diving Italians," as if they were the sole or even primary offenders, is starting to get old.
Sandoz
01 Jul 2006, 08:13 PM
He did okay. Missed a couple, but it's expected. Nice job from him.
Agree. Referee was good today. He gave the correct call (yellow) on the Juan take down. This was not an ejection since another brazilian player was next to him therefore this did not qualify as denying a goal scoring opportunity. Near the end, Ronaldo should have been given a second yellow and ejected for diving. This was the only serious mistake as the ensuing free kick could have resulted in Brazil tying the game.
Never can understand why when I am assistant referee and staying with next to last defender, offensive player looks at me from offside position and is surprised to be called offside. There was one instance today where Henry was rightfully called offside while looking right across at the assistant referee... I know it's not always possible but I am surprised at how many times professional players never look where the assistant referee is positioned on the field in order not to be called offside.
MidwestRef
01 Jul 2006, 09:09 PM
like you can remember a dive of any significance by an italian player in this tournament?
Pope's first yellow card for openers (great sell to seal the yellow card), which then turned Pope's deserved yellow in the second half into red. Several fouls in the second half of USA-ITA that should not have been called (don't remember the exact situation without going back to the tape, but it was clear Larrionda bought some diving). A couple of dives by del Piero in the AUS game, neither of which were called fouls.
I'm not saying the Italians are the only team diving. There are plenty of other teams diving, and even some guys on teams not known for diving like the US (Dempsey). What I will say is that the Italians have a history of diving, and it's pretty much accepted throughout the soccer world, like it or not.
Ref Flunkie
01 Jul 2006, 09:30 PM
Agreed that he had a good game. Missed some, some fouls I thought were cautions that were not given, a few others given that I thought were soft. Overall though, he controlled things well.
I thought he did an excellent job except for the inexplicable non-PK handball call.
I'm actually not sure the late foul call on Ronaldo was a dive - it looks to me like Thuram catches his back foot.
KMJvet
01 Jul 2006, 11:52 PM
By any current interpretation, this is a good goal. The two France players in the middle of the field were not actively involved in the play. The ball went so far over their heads and to Henry, who was onside. The only possible interpretation for offside would be that the keeper was influenced by the two offside players to keep from getting to the far post and Henry. However, I think you would have a very difficult time defending that decision.
I think clearly the offside attacker were involved in the play as they distracted both goakeeper and defenders.
Passive offside is a subjective and crap rule.
macheath
01 Jul 2006, 11:59 PM
His ARs were excellent as well. On one offside call, just before the French goal, a ball came in when Henry and another French attacker were in an offside position. But the ball was first played by a third French player who was not offside. AR let the play go, but when the ball was headed forward to Henry, still in the offside position--up goes the flag. Henry acted like he didn't get it, after putting the ball into the net, but it was perfectly done by the AR--didn't call it against the offside players on the initial play of the ball, but hit them when appropriate on the subsequent play. It all happened very quickly, seemed to confuse the announcers, but very, very well done by the AR.