What happened at the end of Ger-Arg?

[Mountainia]

Did anyone see what all the pushing and yelling was about at the end of the Germany vs. Argentina game? I was watching on Univision, and couldn't understand what they were saying, and I didn't quite catch the start of whatever that was.

[LarsSon]

Did anyone see what all the pushing and yelling was about at the end of the Germany vs. Argentina game? I was watching on Univision, and couldn't understand what they were saying, and I didn't quite catch the start of whatever that was.
Someone on Argentinas subs bench players kicked on Germanys player that was laying flat on the grass and thats how the upset feelings started...i think. Argentina are sore losers..maybe they are bad losers..maybe they were provoked..who knows?

[Ll Br]

Well, they said in the tv that Bierhoff(ex-player froma Germany who´s now some kind of coach of the NT) said somethings or celebrated the result to insult some argentinians like Heinze and Cufre.Anyway, nothing that argentinians wouldn´t do if they´ve won the penaltis shootout...

[musicl]

When the two teams where lined up to watch the penalties being taken, both teams were shouting at each other or something, then because of what was being said the Argentinians (especially Heinze) were trying to confront the Germans but the ref held them back. Then once the penalties were over one of the Argentines kicked a German on the leg due to what happened in the centre circle during the penalties, then what you saw on TV happened.

Quite entertaining i thought. :)

[Calexico77]

All I know is that it looked like one Argentine bench player did a running, leaping elbow slam onto one of the German staff during the chaos.

[LarsSon]

Well, they said in the tv that Bierhoff(ex-player froma Germany who´s now some kind of coach of the NT) said somethings or celebrated the result to insult some argentinians like Heinze and Cufre.Anyway, nothing that argentinians wouldn´t do if they´ve won the penaltis shootout...
I have a bad feeling about this? Argentina get upset easily but not this upset like they did against Germany. Someone on the German team must have said something to upset Argentina.

[naus]

Argentinian bench player Cufre kicked German player Mertesacker in the shin (Mertesacker was napping on the grass), resulting in Bierhoff calming Cufre down, and the subsequent brawl between the two teams.

Cufre (Argentina) got a red card for it at the 120 minute (after the penalty shootout).
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17 CUFRE Leandro
Date of birth: 9 May 1978
Height: 177 cm
Weight: 76 kg
Position: Defender


Two words come to mind: sore loser.

[LarsSon]

Argentinian bench player Cufre kicked German player Mertesacker in the shin (Mertesacker was napping on the grass), resulting in Bierhoff calming Cufre down, and the subsequent brawl between the two teams.

Cufre (Argentina) got a red card for it at the 120 minute (after the penalty shootout).
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/06/t/pla/l/193984.jpg
17 CUFRE Leandro
Date of birth: 9 May 1978
Height: 177 cm
Weight: 76 kg
Position: Defender


Two words come to mind: sore loser.
If that is true Argentina deserve anything bad that comes their way...they should be disqualified for the next world cup.

[naus]

Here's from Reuters:

Argentina and Germany players clash (Update 4)
Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:05 PM BST
By Mike Collett

BERLIN, June 30 (Reuters) - Players and officials from both teams clashed on the pitch and an Argentine substitute was given a red card after Germany beat Argentina 4-2 on penalties to reach the semi-finals of the World Cup on Friday.

Although German coach Juergen Klinsmann and his Argentine counterpart Jose Pekerman played down the incident, FIFA are likely to take a very dim view of it especially as TV pictures were beamed to a huge global audience.

Argentina's Leandro Cufre, an unused substitute, got the red card after the penalty shootout, FIFA said in its official match report.

German team manager Oliver Bierhoff, caught in the middle of the melee which immediately followed the penalty shootout, said he had intervened after an Argentina substitute trod on German defender Per Mertesacker.

"Per was pretty angry about what was a very unsporting thing to do and the players started going at each other. I saw that and wanted to put myself between them so the players didn't do anything stupid," Bierhoff told reporters.

"I'm very sad in a way that a picture like that has gone out into the world," the former international striker said.

Klinsmann put it down to the heat of the moment.

"I'd like to remind people that in football there is so much tension, so many emotions and if it goes all the way to penalties someone can lose control.

"Football is just so emotional. It's just normal. It's no big deal, no problem at all."

Pekerman added: "At times emotions run away with themselves at a match and it's not what we feel.

"Germany and ourselves have great respect for each other and this was a thing in the heat of the moment."

INCURRING WRATH

FIFA officials and referee Lubos Michel were all caught up in the chaos and punches and kicks appeared to be thrown in scenes which went on for approximately 90 seconds in front of a 72,000 crowd.

The trouble appeared to start when midfielder Tim Borowski gestured towards the Argentina players to "keep quiet" having scored his penalty to make it 4-2 in Germany's favour.

Several of the South American players walked towards him and when Esteban Cambiasso's final Argentina spot-kick was saved by German goalkeeper Jens Lehmann, the Argentina defender Fabricio Coloccini approached Germany's Oliver Neuville.

Borowski said Argentinian players had made "certain movements" to try to provoke him before he took his penalty.

"I don't want to go into details but the movements were there and the Argentinians can't exactly declare themselves innocent," he told reporters. "They're not exactly saints."

FIFA will examine video footage of the incident and both teams could be liable for heavy fines or other sanctions. (Additional reporting by Andrew Gray)

[naus]

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/06/30/PH2006063001284.jpg
German coach Juergen Klinsmann, right, and team manager Oliver Bierhoff, second from right, hold back Argentina player Fabricio Coloccini (5) after Germany's 4-2 shootout win in the quarterfinal World Cup soccer match between Germany and Argentina at the Olympic Stadium in Berlin, Germany, Friday, June 30, 2006. (AP Photo/Thomas Kienzle)

[usatowin]

It would be a real shame for Germany if this leads to suspensions for the next game. Hopefully FIFA does the right thing and anyone seen on tape kicking or throwing punches receives suspensions for violent conduct (3 match minimum). But I get the feeling they won't so Germany doesn't lose players.

[naus]

Excerpt from CNN:

Cufre sees red after shootout loss Friday, June 30, 2006 Posted: 2043 GMT (0443 HKT)
[top portion snipped, identical to above Reuters article]

Germany skipper Michael Ballack blamed the Argentines for starting the trouble saying after the match: "I think the first provocation came from Argentina. They were shouting at our players during the penalty shoot-out
"They said something we couldn't understand but I think they tried to influence our penalty takers.

"When we scored the last penalty, Tim Borowski put his fingers to his lips and they were a bit mad."

FIFA will examine video footage of the incident and both teams are liable for heavy fines or other sanctions.

[LarsSon]

Here's from Reuters:

Argentina and Germany players clash (Update 4)
Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:05 PM BST
By Mike Collett

BERLIN, June 30 (Reuters) - Players and officials from both teams clashed on the pitch and an Argentine substitute was given a red card after Germany beat Argentina 4-2 on penalties to reach the semi-finals of the World Cup on Friday.

Although German coach Juergen Klinsmann and his Argentine counterpart Jose Pekerman played down the incident, FIFA are likely to take a very dim view of it especially as TV pictures were beamed to a huge global audience.

Argentina's Leandro Cufre, an unused substitute, got the red card after the penalty shootout, FIFA said in its official match report.

German team manager Oliver Bierhoff, caught in the middle of the melee which immediately followed the penalty shootout, said he had intervened after an Argentina substitute trod on German defender Per Mertesacker.

"Per was pretty angry about what was a very unsporting thing to do and the players started going at each other. I saw that and wanted to put myself between them so the players didn't do anything stupid," Bierhoff told reporters.

"I'm very sad in a way that a picture like that has gone out into the world," the former international striker said.

Klinsmann put it down to the heat of the moment.

"I'd like to remind people that in football there is so much tension, so many emotions and if it goes all the way to penalties someone can lose control.

"Football is just so emotional. It's just normal. It's no big deal, no problem at all."

Pekerman added: "At times emotions run away with themselves at a match and it's not what we feel.

"Germany and ourselves have great respect for each other and this was a thing in the heat of the moment."

INCURRING WRATH

FIFA officials and referee Lubos Michel were all caught up in the chaos and punches and kicks appeared to be thrown in scenes which went on for approximately 90 seconds in front of a 72,000 crowd.

The trouble appeared to start when midfielder Tim Borowski gestured towards the Argentina players to "keep quiet" having scored his penalty to make it 4-2 in Germany's favour.

Several of the South American players walked towards him and when Esteban Cambiasso's final Argentina spot-kick was saved by German goalkeeper Jens Lehmann, the Argentina defender Fabricio Coloccini approached Germany's Oliver Neuville.

Borowski said Argentinian players had made "certain movements" to try to provoke him before he took his penalty.

"I don't want to go into details but the movements were there and the Argentinians can't exactly declare themselves innocent," he told reporters. "They're not exactly saints."

FIFA will examine video footage of the incident and both teams could be liable for heavy fines or other sanctions. (Additional reporting by Andrew Gray)
If this is the case....let argetina pay for it. If Germany had nothing to do with the fight someone has to pay the price. I know argentina can be sore losers but this aint worthy a good team like Argentina. If they cant behave...pay the price..they should be punsihed..no doubt.

[naus]

It would be a real shame for Germany if this leads to suspensions for the next game. Hopefully FIFA does the right thing and anyone seen on tape kicking or throwing punches receives suspensions for violent conduct (3 match minimum). But I get the feeling they won't so Germany doesn't lose players.
Germany did nothing wrong. They won't lose any players.

[LarsSon]

But GERMANY I have my doubts. I know Argentina are sore losers but honestly..they lost to sweden..didnt make a huge deal out of it...they were very cool about it. I have still a feeling about some German players that provoked argentina. They behaved against Sweden why didnit they against Germany that was so sooo much better? Still i wonder ............

[bestianera]

Argentinian bench player Cufre kicked German player Mertesacker in the shin (Mertesacker was napping on the grass), resulting in Bierhoff calming Cufre down, and the subsequent brawl between the two teams.

Cufre (Argentina) got a red card for it at the 120 minute (after the penalty shootout).
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/06/t/pla/l/193984.jpg
17 CUFRE Leandro
Date of birth: 9 May 1978
Height: 177 cm
Weight: 76 kg
Position: Defender


Two words come to mind: sore loser.
Cufré has possibly the worst reputation amongst serie A players; he's usually out there on the pitch mainly to provoke and commit dirty fouls.
I don't find it hard to believe that he's started this shameful fight all by himself

[Fabaraby]

Ugly scenes mar Germany triumph (BBC)

Germany and Argentina players clashed on the pitch after the hosts' quarter-final victory in Berlin.

Ex-striker Oliver Bierhoff, now part of the German backroom team, appeared to be at the centre of the melee.

Fifa officials and referee Lubos Michel were involved, while Argentina's unused substitute Leandro Cufre was sent off for unsporting behaviour.

Bierhoff said: "Fans have shown they can get on with each other. We should be able to do the same as sportsmen."

Punches and kicks appeared to be thrown in chaotic scenes which went on for approximately 90 seconds in front of a 72,000 crowd.

Bierhoff told German TV that he intervened after Cufre trod on German defender Per Mertesacker, leaving the player lying on the ground.

The trouble seemed to start when midfielder Tim Borowski gestured towards the Argentina players to "keep quiet" having scored his penalty to make it 4-2 in Germany's favour.

Several of the South American players walked towards him and when the final Argentina spot-kick was saved, the Argentina defender Fabricio Coloccini approached Germany's Oliver Neuville.

Punches were thrown in a brief melee before it was broken up.

"It's a shame that in a game like a quarter-final such pictures end up getting sent around the world," Bierhoff added.

Germany coach Jurgen Klinsmann put the trouble down to the intensity of Germany's dramatic win.

"I'd like to remind people that in football there is so much tension, so many emotions and if it goes all the way to penalties someone can lose control," he said.

"Football is just so emotional. It's just normal. It's no big deal, no problem at all."

And he was backed by Argentine coach Jose Pekerman.

"At times emotions run away with themselves at a match and it's not what we feel. Germany and ourselves have great respect for each other and this was a thing of the moment," he said.

[LarsSon]

Cufré has possibly the worst reputation amongst serie A players; he's usually out there on the pitch mainly to provoke and commit dirty fouls.
I don't find it hard to believe that he's started this shameful fight all by himself
Like I said, this should be punished. If anyone know who started the fight ..and that was him ...make sure he never plays intertantional games anymore. It's not good for football in general. Now everyone wonders who is to blame. Germany is in doubt because they host world cup...it is better things get solved so there is no questions who is resposible. Argetina are sore losers but never this bad...if one players are responsible for the whole thing let him pay the price........

[usatowin]

Germany did nothing wrong. They won't lose any players.

You could be right, but I doubt there was absolutely nothing from them in that huge mass. We'll have to see what comes of the tape review.

I saw the report, but did anyone actually see the card shown? I kept one eye on Michel the whole time and kept the TV on til coverage ended. It also wasn't on the initial report on the FIFA site or their match tracker. Jim Allen has said on his site that in the US, showing the card isn't important, but after the Merk stink it appears FIFA thinks otherwise.

[Wotan]

Argentinian bench player Cufre kicked German player Mertesacker in the shin (Mertesacker was napping on the grass), resulting in Bierhoff calming Cufre down, and the subsequent brawl between the two teams.

Cufre (Argentina) got a red card for it at the 120 minute (after the penalty shootout).
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/06/t/pla/l/193984.jpg
17 CUFRE Leandro
Date of birth: 9 May 1978
Height: 177 cm
Weight: 76 kg
Position: Defender


Two words come to mind: sore loser.
ONE word comes to my mind after looking at that mug! "WANTED":mad: