Mexicanos al extranjero - IV

[Manoro3]

Salcido ya tiene 26, ya deberia estar jugando en clubes mas grandes que el PSV..

¿Y de dónde sacaste este -deber-?

Seguramente por la gran trayectoria de los miles de mexicanos que han llegado a Europa antes de que cumplieran 20 años, para luego ser figuras en los equipos más grandes de Europa. Por favor.

La exportación de jugadores mexicanos a Europa básicamente no existe, y ahora sales con¨-Bueno, es que Salcido tenía que haberle dicho a su representante que si el club pretendiente no era Real Madrid, o Barcelona, o Chelsea, o Manchester United, o Lyon, o Inter, mejor ni molestarlo-

Salcido ha logrado entrar en un club de calidad, si quieres desprestigiar o demeritar hazlo en otro lugar.

[Necaxista]

Has repitido todo lo que he dicho.

Pero el Holanda de hoy no es el Holanda del 1995, y lejisimos de los 70s.

Dudo que el Ajax llegue al nivel del 1995-96. Cada dia los clubes ricos se hacen mas ricos y la distancia sigue creciendo entre los G-14 y los de mas.


Historico:confused: No mas el Ajax es historico. PSV tal vez. Pero el Feyenoord y el AZ Alkmaar.....******** no.

mmta ma conformate con que esta en un buen equipo, Y puede demostrar su calidad, jugar en la champions, y si se da la oportunidad de salir a uno de los mejores clubes pues que bueno, si no ps nimodo. Como dice tifon, prefieres que se hubiera quedado en chivas? O jugar en celta?

Oh, y es repetido eh?

[Tifón]

Has repitido todo lo que he dicho.

Pero el Holanda de hoy no es el Holanda del 1995, y lejisimos de los 70s.

Dudo que el Ajax llegue al nivel del 1995-96. Cada dia los clubes ricos se hacen mas ricos y la distancia sigue creciendo entre los G-14 y los de mas.


Historico:confused: No mas el Ajax es historico. PSV tal vez. Pero el Feyenoord y el AZ Alkmaar.....******** no.



Pues el PSV y el Ajax son parte del G-14


Y no creo que todo el G-14 se este haciendo mas poderoso, digo si es cierto que reunen a varios de los equipos mas populares del mundo, pero a nivel futbolistico no todos los equipos dan la talla.

El PSG de Francia es un equipo mediocre que desde hace mucho que no se destaca en el nivel futbolistico, el Olympique de Marseilla , hace tiempo que dejo ser el equipo dominante de Francia, y ya solo es un equipo mas en esa liga.

El borussia Dortmund es un caso extraño, porque si bien es el equipo que mas aficionados atrae (Superando por mucho al Real Madrid, Barca , Milan, etc), estan sumidos en un hoyo economico, que ha hecho que a nivel futvolistico tambien esten mal. El Bayer Leverkusen, es de los equipos menos seguidos en Alemania, y no es sino hasta tiempos muy recientes que se ha hecho un equipo fuerte.

La Juventus y el Milan estan a punto de descender a la Serie B o incluso a la Serie C1.

Etc.




Y a lo de historico, me refiero a que es ya de tradicion que los equipos holandeses sean equipos vendedores de buenos jugadores.

Y si para mi el Feyenoord si es un equipo "historico", minimo tiene una liga de campeones, cosa que por ejemplo en España solo el Barca y Real Madrid pueden presumir.

[el mero mero]

¿Y dónde sacaste este -deber-?

Seguramente por la gran trayectoria de los miles de mexicanos que han llegado a Europa antes de que cumplieran 20 años, para luego ser figuras en los equipos más grandes de Europa. Por favor.

La exportación de jugadores mexicanos a Europa básicamente no existe, y ahora sales con¨-Bueno, es que Salcido tenía que haberle dicho a su representante que si el club pretendiente no era Real Madrid, o Barcelona, o Chelsea, o Manchester United, o Lyon, o Inter, mejor ni molestarlo-

Salcido ha logrado entrar en un club de calidad, si quieres desprestigiar o demeritar hazlo en otro lugar.

Lo que quiero decir que el PSV no es un equipo que uno deberia ir a jugar cuando uno tiene 26. Si Salcido tuviera entre los 20-23, no estuviera diciendo nada yo. Pero a los 26, ya uno es un veterano en el futbol internacional. El PSV funciona como un equipo de desarrollamento del jugador joven, no es un club comprador como cualquier equipo en Inglaterra o Espana. Por eso se me hace raro que el PSV es el equipo que segun vaya a contratar a Salcido. Yo veia a Salcido en un equipo como el Atletico, Werder Bremen...algo asi.

El que si pudiera yo ver en el PSV es el Guardado, pero parece que se va a quedar en el Atlas.

[julio like woah]

im glad to see mexican players going to el estranjero..
im really glad thats happening.


it took a long time to get that to happen but now it seems more&more mexicans are beeing baught buy great european clubs..



all we need now is to not have any estranjeros in our mexican leauge play in foward possitions and we will be set..

we will have great strikers and great defenders all we need now is better midfielders and we will be unstopable buahahahah!!
..

IM SORRY FOR WHAT IM ABOUT TO SAY...

BUT THE MLS IS helping to..
locito garcia and claudio suares and palencia and i forgot that other guys name from el salto jalisco are playing really great to.. they really are our mexican players are doing really good to..

oh by the way iver heard some stuff about some mexican youngsters playing in argentina.. does any one if thats true or not..
like in fuersas basicas..

[John Jagou]

Is it possible that PSV's latest success has given them opportunity for a slight change in their philosophies? They have won the league for the past few years, and have advanced in the CL? Perhaps they were looking for more seasoned players to solidify their team for CL. Just a thought

Either way, I am happy for Salcido, and I hope he gets chIngos of playing time.

[terrible15]

im glad to see mexican players going to el estranjero..
im really glad thats happening.


it took a long time to get that to happen but now it seems more&more mexicans are beeing baught buy great european clubs..



all we need now is to not have any estranjeros in our mexican leauge play in foward possitions and we will be set..

we will have great strikers and great defenders all we need now is better midfielders and we will be unstopable buahahahah!!
..

IM SORRY FOR WHAT IM ABOUT TO SAY...

BUT THE MLS IS helping to..
locito garcia and claudio suares and palencia and i forgot that other guys name from el salto jalisco are playing really great to.. they really are our mexican players are doing really good to..

oh by the way iver heard some stuff about some mexican youngsters playing in argentina.. does any one if thats true or not..
like in fuersas basicas..


Si muchos jugadores jovenes son prestados a equipos de Sudamerica...un buen ejemplo es Chivas que presto a dos jugadores de sus fuerzas basicas al Once Caldas de Colombia...uno de ellos era delantero y termino siendo el goleador del equipo...

[terrible15]

im glad to see mexican players going to el estranjero..
im really glad thats happening.


it took a long time to get that to happen but now it seems more&more mexicans are beeing baught buy great european clubs..



all we need now is to not have any estranjeros in our mexican leauge play in foward possitions and we will be set..

we will have great strikers and great defenders all we need now is better midfielders and we will be unstopable buahahahah!!
..

IM SORRY FOR WHAT IM ABOUT TO SAY...

BUT THE MLS IS helping to..
locito garcia and claudio suares and palencia and i forgot that other guys name from el salto jalisco are playing really great to.. they really are our mexican players are doing really good to..

oh by the way iver heard some stuff about some mexican youngsters playing in argentina.. does any one if thats true or not..
like in fuersas basicas..

Don't be sorry its true...I think more Mexicans players need to take an opportunity to go play for the MLS if they're not getting playing time with their teams...

[PasionPorElTri]

pues chido no? . . . digo que bien que salcido juege en Europa, que no es eso lo que todo queriamos? . . . al menos yo si, y pues que bien que es el PSV, eh leido algunos comentarios negativos, que el PSV esto y que el PSV esto otro, digo todavia ni seva, . . . por lo menos yo, le deceo toda la suerte del mundo porque se lo merece, y que si PSV vende jugadores? pues dejenlos que vendan . . . conque SALCIDO juegue y agarre mas experiencia, y le vaya bien, pues estamos felices no? digo yo

[julio like woah]

Don't be sorry its true...I think more Mexicans players need to take an opportunity to go play for the MLS if they're not getting playing time with their teams... terrible15



i agree if mexicans dont get enough playing time in mexico (especially fowards) they should come try there luck in the MLS..
besides MLS ships players over seas to.. que tal if they come play here and end up in europe..
who knows.. i think they should start doing that more often..


and thanks terrible15 i had no idea about that.. dare i say this...
chivas might be the new atlas.. bringing up woderfull soccer talent to all the mexican and estrangero leauges..

[El Chivito]

Nothing is ever good enough! Salcido is going to a good European team and still there are questions, doubts, and negativity. Let's be happy that he is going across the pond, just two days ago we were all worried that he was not going to go any where and now that he is we are questioning the team and Salcido's age.

He is 26, not 30! He has good international experience and has had the attention of many Euro clubs for a while, big and small. This experience will add to his existing experience and may help him move to another Euro club if that is what he and PSV want. If he plays well at PSV many Euro clubs will come knocking in 1, 2, or 3 years and if not he can stay there and develop even further and become a better player for the MNT.

Great move, and best of luck.

[johan derksen]

Is it possible that PSV's latest success has given them opportunity for a slight change in their philosophies? They have won the league for the past few years, and have advanced in the CL? Perhaps they were looking for more seasoned players to solidify their team for CL. Just a thought

I don't know exactly how much PSV had to pay for Salcido, newspapers here say anything between 3 and 6 million euro's. That's not an unusual amount for the club. They paid about 5 million for Timmy Simons last year and about 7 million for Arouna Koné.

There's already a good mix of young and older players, the line up (if nothing changes anymore) would be something like this:

Gomes (Brasil) 25 years old

Reiziger (Ned) 33
Ooijer (Ned) 32
Alex (Brasil) 24
Salcido (Mex)

Culina (Australia) 25
Simons (Belgium) 29
Cocu (Ned) 35

Farfán (Peru) 21
Vennegoor of Hesselink (Ned) 27
Arouna Koné (Ivory coast) 22

*subs:

Da Costa (Portugal) 20
Ball (UK) 26
Vayrynen (Finland) 24
Aissati (Ned) 17
Afellay (Ned) 20
Beasley (USA) 24
Addo (Ghana) 27

[chololo]

Historicamente, el PSV y el Ajax son clubes grandes. Pero en el mercado economico de hoy en el futbol, no son. Se dedican a contratar a jovenes y venderlos a los clubes ricos de Europa. Farfan y De Pinho tenian entre los 18 a 21 anos de edad cuando estaban en el PSV...y que pasa? Los venden para un precio mayor de lo que pagaron por ellos. Salcido ya tiene 26, ya deberia estar jugando en clubes mas grandes que el PSV. Has de cuenta que el PSV es como el Atlas, se dedican a desarollar el judaor joven y luego venderlo. Se quedan con los veteranos que no son tan caros y con esos vetaranos han pudido ganar la liga Holandesa porque esa liga vale madre. Me entienden o no?

Y el Arsenal es un club mucho mas fuerte futbolistico y economico que el PSV. Tal vez antes no, pero hoy si.
PSV is a strong team they play the champions league their league is for sure stronger than the mexican league come it would be stupid for him to stay in chivas plus their was no interest from Arsenal it was a miss understanding

[FARFAN 17]

No entiendo su defincion de equipos grandes? , para mi el PSV es uno de los grandes del mundo. De hecho hasta el Arsenal , equipo con quien tambien se ligo a Salcido, es un equipo mas "chico" que el PSV.

Y no necesita jugar mucho tiempo en el PSV para que pueda ser trasnferido a otro equipo, ejemplo Robert de Pinho que del Atlas fue al PSV y despues casi luego luego se fue al Betis.

Igualmente, el caso del peruano Farfan que no tiene mucho que llego a Holanda y ya esta practicamente fichado por el Porthsmouth del futbol ingles.

Y estos dos casos, pues se fueron a ligas mas fuertes, pero a equipos que practicamente aspiran a nada.

I hope Farfan can stay in PSV, and not go to crappy Portsmouth. Especially if they got Salcido now, he is talented.

[Various Styles]

They have won the league for the past few years, and have advanced in the CL? Perhaps they were looking for more seasoned players to solidify their team for CL. Just a thought

That is indeed what they are looking for. To strenghten and solidify their club, and no one specially not a noob that has never played pro should be talking smack about how Salcido should have gone to a "bigger" club.

The most important thing is that Salcido will be playing Champions League thus giving more prescence to Mexicans in a prestigious tourney. The more Mexicans we have playing in the top leagues and tourneys the better.

[mexicano]

A mi me hubiera gustado que jugara contra mejores que con ninos de 18-19 anos en la liga holandesa.


al menos va a poder jugar una clase de futbol diferente a la de Mexico. Si juega con muchachos de 18-19 anos, entonces Salcido va a tener que mantenerse MUY en forma para poder competir con la velocidad, la imaginacion, y la fortaleza de los europeos.

[guado]

Pues el PSV y el Ajax son parte del G-14


Y no creo que todo el G-14 se este haciendo mas poderoso, digo si es cierto que reunen a varios de los equipos mas populares del mundo, pero a nivel futbolistico no todos los equipos dan la talla.

El PSG de Francia es un equipo mediocre que desde hace mucho que no se destaca en el nivel futbolistico, el Olympique de Marseilla , hace tiempo que dejo ser el equipo dominante de Francia, y ya solo es un equipo mas en esa liga.

El borussia Dortmund es un caso extraño, porque si bien es el equipo que mas aficionados atrae (Superando por mucho al Real Madrid, Barca , Milan, etc), estan sumidos en un hoyo economico, que ha hecho que a nivel futvolistico tambien esten mal. El Bayer Leverkusen, es de los equipos menos seguidos en Alemania, y no es sino hasta tiempos muy recientes que se ha hecho un equipo fuerte.

La Juventus y el Milan estan a punto de descender a la Serie B o incluso a la Serie C1.

Etc.




Y a lo de historico, me refiero a que es ya de tradicion que los equipos holandeses sean equipos vendedores de buenos jugadores.

Y si para mi el Feyenoord si es un equipo "historico", minimo tiene una liga de campeones, cosa que por ejemplo en España solo el Barca y Real Madrid pueden presumir.

dortmund spent like crazy. during the transfer craze of a few years ago that included the galacticos, mendieta, crespo, ferdinand, they spent too much on transfers (koller and rosicky were big ones.)

apart from that, the finances are mismanaged. they won't have complete ownership of westfalenstadion until 2017, and that's assuming they can afford the monthly payments (they had problems in 2005.)


El ajax campeon en 1995, fue un equipo muy joven, que despues vendio a todas sus figuaras a otros equipos , Kliuvert y Davids al Milan,los hermanos De Boer a Barcelona ,Seedorf al Real Madrid , Overmars al Arsenal.

that team was an exception. it was boys playing among men. kluivert and kanu were still teenagers and dominating holland and europe. too bad for kanu's heart surgery. rijkaard was the reisdent elder.

Actually, for Torrado it was a good thing to play for Tenerife and Poli Ejido. He reached promotion with Tenerife, and then Sevilla picked him up because he stood out in the Poli Ejido squad.

tenerife pulled a punk move on torrado.

after achieving promotion, they cut him in order to "cut costs" and free up foreigner space.

they were linked with some chilean guy whose name i can't remember the next week.

sevilla and racing played him too. racing's coaching change hurt him, as did the foreigner status in sevilla (baptista left the following year, alves got spanish citizenship recently, but torrado was already gone.)

This move for Salcido should be great for him, is like when Marquez went to Monaco, a medium sized club first to get used to european football. Specially because in PSV he would have more chances to be a starter than on a bigger club. After one or two seasons with PSV and if he proves what he can do, then he would move with a better chance to succeed on a bigger club, just ask Marquez

monaco isn't exactly a medium sized club.

rafa won the french championship his first year, and was also defender of the year.

its odd how barca picked up christanaval before rafa, who was there with him at monaco. even though i'm glad he didn't get there until barca got their act together.


don't underestimate psv.

they're not a chelsea, or a barca, but they are hardly a small club. it would be far from a bad move for salcido. champion's league experience would hardly be bad.

also, arsenal's core that won the premiership is either gone (vieira, pires,seaman, word is campbell wants out) or aging. arsenal might've been economically stable before, but the new stadium has set them back. it is hardly the same arsenal.

the transfers they make now are the same as psv's - yong guys. lupoli, smith, fabregas, van persie, hleb, reyes, vela,clichy.

psv is at a similar level to werder, and the advantage they have over atletico is the CL (not anymore than aguirre is there - i hope.)

they're mostly a feeder team.

but who says they can't feed slacido to a bigger team? they could just be the next stepping stone.

psv is hardly a bad option.

el supuesto mero mero is just a hater.

[El Kapitan]

monaco isn't exactly a medium sized club.

rafa won the french championship his first year, and was also defender of the year.

its odd how barca picked up christanaval before rafa, who was there with him at monaco. even though i'm glad he didn't get there until barca got their act together.



I knew some people won't get this one, I'm thinking at Euro Level, there's the big guns from the big leagues like Man U, Real, Barca, Chelsea, Arsenal, Milan, etc, the most advertised names at a global stage, compared to them, Monaco is a medium sized club.

This has more to do with the brand positioning, how many mexican guys knew that Monaco had a football team in the french 1st division before Rafa got there?, very few, only the die-hard fans. In the other hand a team like Man U doesn't need to get a mexican player to be recognized by a mexican regular fan.

[julio like woah]

im a pretty big PSV Eindhoven fan ever sense Mateja Kezman was there leading goal scorer...

dude P.S.V IS a pretty big team in holland..

ever sense they had that record of not losing at PHILIPS STADIUM!!

any who.. that was nonsense the point is that carlos salzido is going to be in a great club like P.S.V. we should really be happy for him.. this club is big in europe belive it or not..

no one really wants to paly them at home..

any who the point is that salzido is at a great club and if he take advantage of this.. he will move on to bigger and greater things who knows maybe next year he'll be playing with real madrid or machesterunited and winning la liga or fa cups and the epl tittle.... or everything at once.... whos to say.. lets just be happy for him and see what happens.. the end..

[El Pipiripau]

Hello everyone, I'm new to the forum.

I'm also very happy to see Salcido go to PSV. Even if it's not the biggest team, it's for the betterment of Mexican soccer that the more players to make it in Europe the better. Players like Borgetti, Osorio, Salcido, and of course Rafa are paving the way for future generations of Mexican footballers. I eventually want it to become a non-event when a Mexican goes to Europe and succeeds. These players are going to change the perception of Mexican soccer.