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Dan Loney
25 Jun 2006, 03:57 AM
Reason ten trillion not to have MLS play during the World Cup.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you just watched your team perform in the World Cup like it was sponsored by the American Kennel Club. In most nations, you would have a proper interval to digest this tragedy. And then, you would be able to reorient yourself back to club loyalty. Not only that, but every fan would get the benefit of preseason hope. No matter how sad or useless your club actually is, you would still be able to hope that this season would be the miracle year.

If, on the other hand - and once again, I'm speaking purely hypothetically - that your favorite club is mired deep in last place while putting on performances worthy of Leonard Pinth-Garnell. Where, then, would such a fan turn? Drugs? Alcohol? Hockey? Anime?

Even for fans whose club lives may be going well, let's face it. Watching club soccer immediately after the World Cup is, in the words of the late Michael O'Donoghue, like looking at pictures of naked women after having an orgasm. Consider the San Jose Earthquakes fans who made the trek down to look at their ex-players. Sure, the Dynamo coaches and players made sure to thank them for their support - the Quakes fans would have been within their rights to rush the field if they hadn't. But this great little example of club loyalty will be unjustly masked by the aftermath of the World Cup.

You might be saying at this point, "Golly," or something to that effect, "is there any reason whatsoever for MLS to have kept playing during the World Cup?" The answer is yes.

They chose tonight's game at the Home Depot Center as background for the next season of "The Apprentice." For those of you outside the United States who aren't aware of "The Apprentice," relax - no one in the US cares about it anymore either. I'm actually the last guy in the country who watches the show. It's like when I saw the Paul Provenza season of "Northern Exposure" - it was flattering thinking that they made an entire television show just for me.

But there was Donald Trump and everything, taking in the Major League Soccer experience. Which, tonight, was as listless as any Galaxy game I have ever seen, and I have seen literally hundreds. Naturally, it was 0-0. The United States was booted out of the World Cup two days before. Mexico was booted out that very morning. The Galaxy have been utterly unwatchable since last November in any case. What, exactly, were they expecting?

I would have liked to have been the one at AEG who took Mark Burnett's call asking for permission to film. "Wait, you actually expect a professional soccer team to be in business the last week of June? Are you that ignorant? Why would you even want soccer to be a part of your show if you know that freaking little about the sport? You're calling me up and saying you're unaware of the World Cup? Why are you wasting my time with this? Nah, I'm just kidding, we'll be playing. The 24th work for you?"

So the couple hundred thousand people still watching "The Apprentice" will say, "Huh. There's a soccer league." And the couple hundred thousand people watching regular season MLS will say, "Huh. Apprentice is still on." Had MLS taken a break during the World Cup, they would have missed this magnificent opportunity.

I do have to share this story. One unfortunate production assistant came up to the Riot Squad member known as "Sam's Army Grunt," and was asked to sign a release form. "Go pound sand," she was told. By far the highlight of the evening.

Asprilla9
25 Jun 2006, 04:18 AM
i wonder how long Bruce Arena would last in a Donald Trump Apprentice-style board room?

DT: Bruce, you were team leader and your venture failed. miserably. any reason why I shouldn't fire you?
BA: well, my goalkeeper likes to aimlessly boot the ball 55 yards away to no one, and one led directly to a goal for the opposition
DT: Not buying it, Bruce.
BA: ok, the German ref had an in for us, and called a faux penalty, which led to the venture breaking down
DT: Not buying that one, either.
BA: Ok, well not enough of our youngsters play in Europe...
DT: That's it, I've had it with you. you are just one excuse after another. i hate excuses. Bruce Arena...
BA: don't say it mister Trump
DT: Bruce Arena... yeh fired.

Rowdies4ever
25 Jun 2006, 04:53 AM
Given that there are major international competitions every summer anyway that the USMNT should be playing in (World Cup, Olympics, Gold Cup, Copa America, etc.), what is the justification for MLS playing any summer games at all?

The reason for playing in the summer (IIRC) really dates back to the NASL days: fear of direct competition with the NFL, and the desire to temporarily borrow European players "on loan" from European clubs over the summer months. Well, we don't borrow players on loan from European clubs anymore, and the sports and entertainment market is so balkanized now anyway that it makes no difference whether we are competing for audience with the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, or whatever.

What is wrong with the same schedule most of Europe uses, Fall-Winter-Spring, with perhaps a winter break to avoid the worst of the weather in the winter? Only a few of the MLS teams experience the worst of the winter weather anyway. The MLS season is short enough to accomodate a winter break and maybe some creative scheduling or rescheduling to avoid or to make up for bad winter weather. That leaves the summer months for US national team members to play, and MLS teams could still make money playing international friendlies and maybe club tournaments over the summer months.

Hell, screw the winter break anyway. If Green Bay Packers fans can take the winter weather in open air stadiums, so can we. MLS seems to appeal to fans who enjoy suffering, anyway. Might as well go for the full body experience. :D

Moonsault
25 Jun 2006, 08:13 AM
They chose tonight's game at the Home Depot Center as background for the next season of "The Apprentice." For those of you outside the United States who aren't aware of "The Apprentice," relax - no one in the US cares about it anymore either. I'm actually the last guy in the country who watches the show.

Watched the very first season here in Germany - the episodes were shown every saturday @2 AM. :D But the show wasn't that popular and I probably was the only german who watched ""The Apprentice". At least it was the first and last season shown here in Germany. ;)

DoctorD
25 Jun 2006, 09:27 AM
Only a few of the MLS teams experience the worst of the winter weather anyway. Only a Floridian could write this.

Pcp Yoko
25 Jun 2006, 10:22 AM
Why not take a break during the WC? The Japan and Korean leagues do during the WC and they play roughly the same season as MLS.
A mid summer break would allow participation in the Copa America too w/o MLS disruption.
Even if I ws in the uS now there is no way I would consider going to a MLS game with the WC on.
In '94 I made a trip to the US for WC'94. My homebase was in San Jose and before the final I went to the then San Jose team indoor match and after watching 6 WC games is was really a let down. Should have gone and seen a movie or something.

MattR
25 Jun 2006, 11:01 AM
They should take June/July off every year.

stangspritzring
25 Jun 2006, 01:01 PM
Why bother? Pack the games in a wednesday-Saturday-wednesday schedule? Have you seen teams who've played that schedule? Talk about road weary...Sure, my home club's doing just fine after a couple such series, but the quality of play definitely drops by game 3...The major risks MLS faces with moving to a fall-winter-spring schedule are:
1- attendance based on the weather. Until more teams are profitable with their won stadiums, they can't really afford to take any more of a hit than they already do. Once they have their own stadiums, this is much less of a concern.
2-Competition with youth leagues and tournaments. Not just soccer, either...Softball, baseball, and basketball also interferes to a great degree.
3-Club form: Why take a break when in-form clubs would likely suffer, and out-of-form clubs would start to lose whatever cohesion they were starting to get?

I think the schedule running counter to the average euro schedule would be a great opportunity for MLS clubs to be able to send players overseas for loans, if that could be worked out a little better...maybe partnerships with teams in England, Germany, Italy, so players could keep fit while training with other clubs in their home club's off season.,..

Beakmon FC
25 Jun 2006, 01:07 PM
I liked the ideas Dan had in his column on American Soccer News


http://www.americansoccernews.net/columnists/loney/060622loney.shtml

Suspend the league schedule, but play friendlies with local PDL clubs...sounds like a great idea. I don't want a re-hash of the "MLS needs to move to a European schedule' on this thread...I am soooooooo tired of hearing that. The league gets minimal media attention now and will get ZERO if it begins its season at the same time as the NFL and College Football.

bright
25 Jun 2006, 10:45 PM
The league gets minimal media attention now and will get ZERO if it begins its season at the same time as the NFL and College Football.

Your statement is hyperbole.

MLS Playoffs already take place in November. Playing one more month won't decrease media attention. Also, we already go head-to-head with the NFL from the end of July until mid-November.

Accomodating the NFL only hurts MLS's quality of play by forcing us to play in the summer. It also creates conflicts as Dan has pointed out with the World Cup and other international SOCCER tournaments. We need to accomodate these things, not the NFL.

I don't care if the season starts in February and ends in mid-December with a summer break or it starts in August and ends in May with a winter break. Either way, we should stretch the season into mid-December, and we shouldn't care about playing an extra month at the same time as the NFL. It's not like we'd be going up against NFL playoffs or college bowl games.

Anyways, it will happen. Maybe not next year or the year after that, but it will happen, because it HAS to happen. These lame excuses about the NFL won't stop it from happening.

- Paul

ToMhIlL
26 Jun 2006, 12:36 PM
Suspend the league schedule, but play friendlies with local PDL clubs...sounds like a great idea. No, don't make them meaningless friendlies. Just take four weeks off the League schedule and play two consecutive two-leg rounds of the US Open Cup on the weekends. Start at the round of 32 with 20 lower-division clubs. With 2-leg rounds, the lower level team gets to host an MLS team. Most MLS teams would likely advance, and after playing four consecutive weeks, clubs would not lose their sharpness and would be able to go right back to the league schedule. There would be 8 teams left in the cup, so the teams would arrange the fixtures in the same way it works now.

And if your team needs its world cup players to beat the Wilmington Hammerheads, sorry, you are a pathetic excuse for an MLS team, and you aren't going far in this tournament anyway.

Bobethy
26 Jun 2006, 01:25 PM
I don't want a re-hash of the "MLS needs to move to a European schedule' on this thread...I am soooooooo tired of hearing that. The league gets minimal media attention now and will get ZERO if it begins its season at the same time as the NFL and College Football.

Beakmon is right about the last part. That is the primary reason. MLS just can't compete against Football....yet. The other big issue with playing the Fall to spring schedule is the climactic issues of the US. Europe generally has milder winters due to the atlantic current. So, in the long run MLS would have to either gravitate to southern teams, or have some sort of accomodating schedule.

However, I never get tired of debating ways to better MLS!

Bobethy
26 Jun 2006, 01:31 PM
Your statement is hyperbole.

MLS Playoffs already take place in November. Playing one more month won't decrease media attention. Also, we already go head-to-head with the NFL from the end of July until mid-November.

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Anyways, it will happen. Maybe not next year or the year after that, but it will happen, because it HAS to happen. These lame excuses about the NFL won't stop it from happening.

- Paul

Disagree and Agree.

(1) Disagree with the first part - have you seen what happened to MLS ratings when Football season starts? Like being on the Titanic. That's just the fact of the competition - right now.
(2) Agree with the second part - It's just a matter of time... (And viewership, and marketing, and TV exposure, and sold out stadiums....mostly about money.)