Yellow card accumulation is stupid

[burbod01]

I hate this rule... sure, FIFA is trying to keep players on the correct side of the law, but you can't do that when every ref has a different interpretation of the law. Some give yellows for handballs, some don't. Some give yellows for tackles, some don't. The whole point is to get players to play within the rules, but how can they if they don't know how the ref is going to call the game?

All referees are handing yellows out like condoms at college. This has no effect on how the players play; it does, however, force the fans to sit through an important match without seeing the best players. Red cards do the same, but these aren't handed out improperly. The red card suspension doesn't need a supplement.

FIFA should get rid of the accumulation rule, it just makes the fans miss out and it isn't fair to teams like Ghana who has to play Brazil without Essien.

[usatowin]

Or the players could stop lying and cheating and play beautiful. :cool:

[burbod01]

Or the players could stop lying and cheating and play beautiful. :cool:


i know he isn't playing as beautiful as he could be, but you reminded me of something... Ronaldo (the fat one) got a yellow for shooting on net after being called offsides... seconds before, an Australian player was confused and didn't follow a legitimate through-ball because of crowd noise... Ronaldo didn't even hit it very long after he was called.

Maybe the refs should let us play beautiful... sometimes hard, fair tackles ARE beautiful.

[Valknut]

Or the players could stop lying and cheating and play beautiful. :cool:

And to accomplish this cards need to be given for diving. Have there been ANY?

[burbod01]

And to accomplish this cards need to be given for diving. Have there been ANY?


There was one (that I can remember, probably more)... sad thing is I can't remember which teams or which ref... even sadder is it wasn't a dive.

[usatowin]

And to accomplish this cards need to be given for diving. Have there been ANY?

Not the point of this thread though. He wants an end to accumulation. Without it who cares if you get a yellow card trying to steal a PK? The extra penalty needs to be there.

A small percentage of cautions have been harsh, but there's far more for late tackles, diving, etc that haven't been given.

[lanman]

I'm not too sold on the current system. With the cards being wiped out after the group stage it allows a player going into the third game knowing that any booking would essentially be a "free" yellow. I would prefer to see the system changed so that a ban is enforced if a player is booked in consecutive games - not simply for the accumulation of two yellows. Cards would roll over from the last group game so to still have an effect in the 1st knock-out round.

[DrJo]

i know he isn't playing as beautiful as he could be, but you reminded me of something... Ronaldo (the fat one) got a yellow for shooting on net after being called offsides... seconds before, an Australian player was confused and didn't follow a legitimate through-ball because of crowd noise... Ronaldo didn't even hit it very long after he was called.

Maybe the refs should let us play beautiful... sometimes hard, fair tackles ARE beautiful.

Soccer is a contact sport. I would love to see the stats for # of cards given out between this Cup & last one. It's absurd the amount of cards that are being awarded -- I agree, just let the boys play. Today's game, Eddie Lewis tackled some guy (I think it was, I can't remember) and 7 min into the friggin game a card came out. USA's game against Italy -- Mastroeni gets a RED before even being given a warning. The tackle wasn't any worse than another --

Tackles are definitely sometimes beautiful and definitely part of the game. I'll say it again, soccer is a contact sport and shirt tugging and elbows are part of the game.

[Ref Flunkie]

I'm not too sold on the current system. With the cards being wiped out after the group stage it allows a player going into the third game knowing that any booking would essentially be a "free" yellow. I would prefer to see the system changed so that a ban is enforced if a player is booked in consecutive games - not simply for the accumulation of two yellows. Cards would roll over from the last group game so to still have an effect in the 1st knock-out round.


Yup, I like that idea too. I was originally thinking of bumping it up to 3 yellows in the preliminary round, but that is really too many.

[burbod01]

I'm not too sold on the current system. With the cards being wiped out after the group stage it allows a player going into the third game knowing that any booking would essentially be a "free" yellow. I would prefer to see the system changed so that a ban is enforced if a player is booked in consecutive games - not simply for the accumulation of two yellows. Cards would roll over from the last group game so to still have an effect in the 1st knock-out round.

The current system doesn't allow players to have a "free" third game... I don't know where you got that idea... why do you think Holland and Portugal were holding out all their yellow cards? Essien has to miss playing Brazil.

This brings up another point... players who know they have a yellow and who are willing to control their game still don't know if their control is enough (hence the mass sit-outs). There needs to be more continuity between referees for any kind of accumulation system to work.

[lanman]

The current system doesn't allow players to have a "free" third game... I don't know where you got that idea... why do you think Holland and Portugal were holding out all their yellow cards? Essien has to miss playing Brazil.

What I meant was if they hadn't been booked in the first two games then a yellow in the third game has no bearing outside of that game as it is wiped off before the next round. A player knows he can pick up a late yellow card in that game and it will have no impact whatsoever.

[burbod01]

What I meant was if they hadn't been booked in the first two games then a yellow in the third game has no bearing outside of that game as it is wiped off before the next round. A player knows he can pick up a late yellow card in that game and it will have no impact whatsoever.

That's how soccer should be... the only card that should carry over is a red. I thought that is why they have the two different colors.

[leftback4]

Yellow cards are apart of the game. FIFA's rule is bogus. This reminds me of my soccer tournaments when I played at the U-10 level. Even then I think you could get 3 or some cards before having to sit out a game. I wouldnt be happy with it but would accept a card limit before you sit out, but not 2!!! especially when they're handing them out like candy. FIFA is ruining our "beautiful game" by taking out player and weakening teams. Players have waited 4 years to play in the biggest tournament of the world and are being benched because these card happy refs. This does nothing but hurt the quality of play and the overall enjoyment of the WC.

[KMJvet]

And to accomplish this cards need to be given for diving. Have there been ANY?
There are 3 that I know. The one called on Luis Perez in Mex-Port. The one given by Dracula in the torrential downpour match. And the one called against Holland but I can't remember if it was on Robben or Van Persie. They're both diver types so which one escapes me now.

[FutbolArbitro]

Multiple times I've started to reply to this thread, and then deleted my reply. I can tell that I'm in the minority when I say that far too few red and yellow cards have been given. Violent conduct and serious foul play has often not received the red card that it deserved, and hence the outrage when it was actually given to the USA's MASTROENI. In many of the matches unsporting play is allowed, and when it is not sanctioned, oponents retaliate and intensity escalates. Or players dive, delay the game, dissent decisions without a card. This is not "the beautiful game."
If you really want to watch the beautiful game, then the players must play the beautiful game, and they will only play the beautiful game in a beautiful way when the unbeautiful actions are properly and consistently sanctioned.
There, I said it and finally hit the "submit reply" button...

[burbod01]

Multiple times I've started to reply to this thread, and then deleted my reply. I can tell that I'm in the minority when I say that far too few red and yellow cards have been given. Violent conduct and serious foul play has often not received the red card that it deserved, and hence the outrage when it was actually given to the USA's MASTROENI. In many of the matches unsporting play is allowed, and when it is not sanctioned, oponents retaliate and intensity escalates. Or players dive, delay the game, dissent decisions without a card. This is not "the beautiful game."
If you really want to watch the beautiful game, then the players must play the beautiful game, and they will only play the beautiful game in a beautiful way when the unbeautiful actions are properly and consistently sanctioned.
There, I said it and finally hit the "submit reply" button...

Mastroeni's foul was pretty bad and deserved some kind of card, as did De Rossi's... that isn't the issue... the issue is accumulation.

All refs give cards for different things, so each game should not have anything carry over except for reds (which has been the accepted stipulation for as long as I can remember: serious foul play deserves a suspension). The problem is this carrying over of (often ticky-tac) yellows... ones that might not have been called by a different ref crew.

Graham Poll let a Croatian literally push him... other refs would have yellowed him the second the Croatian said a word... not enough consistency