All the Sol haters please stand up...

[dustcowpoke]

and get off his back. Contrary to what many think Sol Campbell did a great job in defense. He barked off orders when he came in, giving leadership and a veteran presence, he cleared the ball out of the penalty box and blocked one shot that was sure to test shakey Robinson.

Why blame Campbell for a mistake that Robinson made for not coming out to snatch the ball? :confused: Also if you have it on tape look again and see that A. Cole is running toward the near post. He should've marked a man, not run away from the ball. But no, you England fans are too blind to realise Campbell had a great performance just because the whole England back 4 gave up a silly goal. :(

What is this about him not being match fit? He played in the Champions League final and scored versus Barcelona's world class defenders.

[B Rock]

Why blame Campbell for a mistake that Robinson made for not coming out to snatch the ball?

Because he didn't clear the ball on the second goal and the set piece marking went to hell after he entered the game.

Its pretty easy actually. What are you on about? :confused:

[dustcowpoke]

Because he didn't clear the ball on the second goal and the set piece marking went to hell after he entered the game.

There were four England defenders within clearing distance (including Ashley Cole running away from the ball) of that ball yet you blame one of them. Oh I get it now, it's just the Arsenal haters on this board.

[three lions]

There were four England defenders within clearing distance (including Ashley Cole running away from the ball) of that ball yet you blame one of them. Oh I get it now, it's just the Arsenal haters on this board.

Sorry Dust, but that was an easy clearance that Sol should have cleared. On that play he had the important role of the "front line" as the ball came in to him..Ashley Cole also should have held his spot on post rather than shading in near Robbo. But, Sol must make that clearance.. Bottom line

[Alan D]

Sol should have cleared the second goal but I think he played pretty well overall and I was impressed with that tackle he made as well.

[BridgeMonkee]

I like Sol, what Englishman doesnt? But he has had a poor season and he is not the player he was. He was okay last night and two years ago he was still awesome.

[lost]

and get off his back. Contrary to what many think Sol Campbell did a great job in defense. He barked off orders when he came in, giving leadership and a veteran presence, he cleared the ball out of the penalty box and blocked one shot that was sure to test shakey Robinson.

Why blame Campbell for a mistake that Robinson made for not coming out to snatch the ball? :confused: Also if you have it on tape look again and see that A. Cole is running toward the near post. He should've marked a man, not run away from the ball. But no, you England fans are too blind to realise Campbell had a great performance just because the whole England back 4 gave up a silly goal. :(

What is this about him not being match fit? He played in the Champions League final and scored versus Barcelona's world class defenders.


That is 5 tournaments and counting that Sol has represented England at, and for me he is still yet to put a foot wrong. Plus he came in yesterday, first kick of a ball at the tourney, England buckling, well, practically collapsing, what does Sol do? Comes straight in, makes game winning tackles, barks at all around him(People say Sol is not a talker at the back, my arse!), and England go on to get the draw. Yes the Edman throw in was a total f%%k up at the end, but 4 players were culpable for this( see my thread in the WC group B discussion room), so singling Sol out here would be pointless.

BTW, Great thread, needed saying

[Spur_Forever]

Sol fecked up, period.

As anyone who has ever played in defense (at any level) will tell you, it's a cardinal sin not to attack the ball, and instead to let it bounce in front of you - which is exactly what Sol did. He used to be a great defender, but those days are now long gone.

Don't get me wrong, Ashley Cole and Robinson were also at fault, but there is no way a central defender of any stature can let a throw-in bounce in front of him, then miss the ball when he tries to clear it.

[thebigman]

terry was at fault for the second goal more than campbell

sol has been on/off, on his day i prefer him to terry

[schafer]

the set piece marking went to hell after he entered the game.



The set piece marking was terrible the entire second half, had nothing to do with Sol.

[schafer]

terry was at fault for the second goal more than campbell

sol has been on/off, on his day i prefer him to terry

Terry was not more at fault for the goal, I don't see how you can say that. He missed the header, but it was indecisiveness on the part of Robinson/lack of communication that caused the goal. Very harsh to put more blame on Terry than anybody else at the back. Especially whoever was marking Larsson/Mellberg.

[Stretch Armstrong]

Respect to Sol Campbell.



No other England defender would have been able to make that lunging block tackle on the edge of the box. It was reminincent of him at his best.



Its ridiculous that some people are absolving Terry of any blame for the second goal. He was sweeping the play and he completely lost the flight of the ball leaving Campbell exposed and unable to right his feet in time.


A bad error from Terry in my book.


Dread to think what people would be saying about Rio or Sol had either of them missed the ball the way he did

[schafer]

Respect to Sol Campbell.



No other England defender would have been able to make that lunging block tackle on the edge of the box. It was reminincent of him at his best.



Its ridiculous that some people are absolving Terry of any blame for the second goal. He was sweeping the play and he completely lost the flight of the ball leaving Campbell exposed and unable to right his feet in time.


A bad error from Terry in my book.


Dread to think what people would be saying about Rio or Sol had either of them missed the ball the way he did

Terry didn't play well, but Campbell watched the ball bounce past him. Both were to blame, but to say it was more Terry's fault is wrong, IMO. And as for Campbell being 'unable to right his feet in time', what does that mean? What was Campbell doing there except to cover if the ball got through?

[thebigman]

lol are all xhelsea fans since abramovich took over in denial?

[leg_breaker]

Campbell was a complete joke.

[schafer]

lol are all xhelsea fans since abramovich took over in denial?

Denial about what? Terry has to take blame for the goal, but no more or less than Campbell and whoever was marking Larsson.

[Stretch Armstrong]

Terry didn't play well, but Campbell watched the ball bounce past him. Both were to blame, but to say it was more Terry's fault is wrong, IMO. And as for Campbell being 'unable to right his feet in time', what does that mean? What was Campbell doing there except to cover if the ball got through?




The ball came direct from a looping throw in and should be meat and drink to any defender esp Terry who normally excels in the air. Terry saw it ALL the way but inexplicably missed it. Campbell's position is pretty much perfect IMO(marking a sly run from Ljungerg) as it looks a straightforward clearance for Terry and he is looking to step forward in the confidence of seeing Terry makie a god connection/clearance. Suddenly he is forced to move quickly and he isnt agile enough to get the ball away as he is in a very awkward position and not expecting the ball to come his way.




It was CLEARLY Terry's ball and he failed to clear it. Campbell may have lacked the agility to get it away but the only CLEAR error is Terry's IMO




http://youtube.com/watch?v=aNah9O1feFA&search=sweden%20england

[Stretch Armstrong]

Although looking at it both Cole and Hargreaves let the runners get goal side.


Either way the original throw in really should nt have been a problem in the first place.


It was a simple header that Terry COMPLETELY misjudged and yet the media and fans alike seem to completely overlook it

[lost]

Does no one think that Gerrard completely messed up any sort of intercepting header from the throw in, he jumped for it and mis calculated how high the ball was, this was the start of the chain of events whereby the ball was allowed to basically go in almost untouched by swedes.

[schafer]

The ball came direct from a looping throw in and should be meat and drink to any defender esp Terry who normally excels in the air. Terry saw it ALL the way but inexplicably missed it. Campbell's position is pretty much perfect IMO(marking a sly run from Ljungerg) as it looks a straightforward clearance for Terry and he is looking to step forward in the confidence of seeing Terry makie a god connection/clearance. Suddenly he is forced to move quickly and he isnt agile enough to get the ball away as he is in a very awkward position and not expecting the ball to come his way.

It was CLEARLY Terry's ball and he failed to clear it. Campbell may have lacked the agility to get it away but the only CLEAR error is Terry's IMO




http://youtube.com/watch?v=aNah9O1feFA&search=sweden%20england


I agree Terry is at fault for missing the header, but you can't absolve Sol b/c he wasn't expecting it. Also, noticed on the clip it looked like Hargreaves was marking Larsson, but no one has mentioned that.