View Full Version : Ferdinand & Campbell Sub?
Bruckner283
20 Jun 2006, 04:46 PM
Greetings All,
I am not trying to be a smartass but could someone please explain to me the why and the whatfor about the Sol Campbell & Rio Ferdinand sub? I thought Rio was doing fine before the sub (and I thought Sol did a fine job as well). It seemed to me a wasted sub when Sven could have used it on a possible Beckham/Lenin (as Beckham was effectively taken out of the game) sub or even (dont laugh) a Walcott sub to get him some time and or experience. Your thoughts? Just wondering and thanks!
'Strobaby
20 Jun 2006, 04:52 PM
I think we all knew someone would have to come in for Wayne at some point. So that's one sub already reserved. We expected Rooney's sub to be Crouch, but Owen's injury took up a second sub, and Crouch came on then. It's easy to see why Stevie came on for Wayne -- he's great going forward and scored. It's not as easy to understand why Rio came out, unless Sven was trying to get Sol some minutes and confidence. Theo is going to have to be put on the pitch at some time during this WC. I would rather he gets his minutes in the group stages than the knock-out rounds, but the all-knowing Sven apparently intends to blood Theo in a meaningful match. If Owen's out for the rest of the WC, Theo is going to get on the pitch.
B Rock
20 Jun 2006, 04:58 PM
If Owen's out for the rest of the WC, Theo is going to get on the pitch.
Not a chance in hell.
If Sven wasn't willing to risk Walcott in this game he certainly won't be willing to in a knockout game.
We'll see a 4-5-1 with a central midfield of Carragher, Hargreaves, and Carrick before we'll see Theo set foot on the pitch.
'Strobaby
20 Jun 2006, 05:09 PM
At some point, he's going to have to, or put one of them up front on his own. I'm not comfy with the idea of Rooney playing 90 in the next match, maybe let Theo on the pitch with 10 minutes left. There's no way England can win it all with only two forwards, neither of whom are out-and-out strikers.
Teso Dos Bichos
20 Jun 2006, 06:04 PM
I am not trying to be a smartass but could someone please explain to me the why and the whatfor about the Sol Campbell & Rio Ferdinand sub?
Ferdinand had a groin injury. It's time to worry, particularly given how the defense completely fell apart when he left the pitch. Terry also showed that he cannot function without someone to cover his usual mistakes.
Stud83
20 Jun 2006, 06:27 PM
According to Sven's post-game comments Rio is ok, just didn't want to risk it.
nicephoras
20 Jun 2006, 07:03 PM
Terry also showed that he cannot function without someone to cover his usual mistakes.
LOL Teso's great - you can just read what he writes and know the opposite is correct.
Teso Dos Bichos
21 Jun 2006, 02:02 PM
You clearly didn't watch the game, as anyone who did knows that I am correct.
BridgeMonkee
21 Jun 2006, 02:13 PM
Terry also showed that he cannot function without someone to cover his usual mistakes.
lol
Bloody hell Teso, we know that Terry isnt one of your beloved Mancaneers, but come on, Terry is a bloody good defender and to say otherwise really does make you sound like a complete idiot*
* I know you're an idiot, but you're not supposed to make it too easy for me, at least pretend you know something about the English game
Teso Dos Bichos
21 Jun 2006, 02:22 PM
He's a very good stopper but is not capable of holding a defense together on his own. For him to play at his best, he needs to partner fast central defender and midfield protection. That prevents him from being raped for pace and helps to prevent him from being isolated one-on-one. With Ferdinand and Hargreaves he had that and ambled along without doing a great deal. Once Ferdinand went off Terry was the key man in quite 'weak' defense and struggled to hold things together. If you watch games with Terry he tends to make a few mistakes here and there but they never cost anyone, thanks to the setup he is in. That wasn't the case last night. I've never said he isn't a great defender but he is overrated because of the unit he is a part of. I also highlight his mistakes, something no-one ever does. Take him out of his comfort zone and he doesn't look half the player.
BridgeMonkee
21 Jun 2006, 02:24 PM
He's a very good stopper but is not capable of holding a defense together on his own.
He can hold an entire team together on his own. He should be the Captain.
Footstomper
21 Jun 2006, 03:51 PM
He can hold an entire team together on his own. He should be the Captain.
Stop bloody saying things I agree with. The defence was weaker without Rio? Well duh!!!!
Chewmylegoff
21 Jun 2006, 04:24 PM
whatever you may argue, it remains a fact that the defensive organisation fell apart when ferdinand went off. this is not to say that terry is a bag of shit, but that is what happened in the match.
sendorange
21 Jun 2006, 04:40 PM
It is true that Terry does ideally need a quick defender alongside him, especially at this level of football where individual weaknesses are more often exposed.
However defensively we only had problems from setpieces, corners and one long throw tossed into the penalty area. As much the whole team's fault as the centrebacks. It is not as if Sweden were getting anything through the middle.
A lot of credit has to go to Sweden for their setpiece delivery, which they had clearly worked on. While we looked like a team that had done fck all in training, except jogging slowly round the pitch then an afternoon off shopping with the WaGs.
Chewmylegoff
21 Jun 2006, 04:43 PM
It is true that Terry does ideally need a quick defender alongside him.
However defensively we only had problems from setpieces, corners and one long throw tossed into the penalty area. It is not as if Sweden were getting much through the middle.
no. but we had pretty serious defensive problems in the areas you point out. it was shambolic. and since they kept winning corners it was a bit of a problem...
sinner78
21 Jun 2006, 05:04 PM
A lot of credit has to go to Sweden for their setpiece delivery, which they had clearly worked on. While we looked like a team that had done fck all in training, except jogging slowly round the pitch then an afternoon off shopping with the WaGs.
makes you wonder what the hell sven does in the training camp.
The team are clearly out of condition and have all kinds of issues with tactics and set pieces.
Its just a holiday camp .no wonder the players love grandpa sven so much.
makes you wonder what the hell sven does in the training camp.
The team are clearly out of condition and have all kinds of issues with tactics and set pieces.
Its just a holiday camp .no wonder the players love grandpa sven so much.
I read a few days ago that England had just trained in the afternoon for the first time. Wtf? They should have been training in the afternoon almost every day.
sinner78
21 Jun 2006, 05:10 PM
I read a few days ago that England had just trained in the afternoon for the first time. Wtf? They should have been training in the afternoon almost every day.
They havent done anything intensive at all.
Its all light work .no suprise we fade in the 2nd half so often.
Chewmylegoff
21 Jun 2006, 05:30 PM
They havent done anything intensive at all.
Its all light work .no suprise we fade in the 2nd half so often.
whilst watching shit daytime tv today i stumbled across a piece on blue peter about the england training camp.
i got the impression that all they do is sit around playing video games all day. sven is such a wanker.
sinner78
21 Jun 2006, 05:35 PM
whilst watching shit daytime tv today i stumbled across a piece on blue peter about the england training camp.
i got the impression that all they do is sit around playing video games all day. sven is such a wanker.
If this is the case then no wonder the boys constantly die in the 2nd half.
He is an amateur .