Your Starting 11 Against Togo

[allezlesbleusno1]

L'Equipe:

http://lequipe.fr/Football/CM2006_FRA_TOGO_syst_1.html

Sans Zidane suspendu, les Bleus devraient revenir à un 4-4-2 avec deux milieux excentrés contre le Togo, même si d'autres options restent envisageables. Tour d'horizon.

Raymond Domenech a déjà utilisé deux types de 4-4-2 : l'un avec deux meneurs excentrés et deux attaquants de pointe, l'autre avec un milieu en losange. Ce dernier système semble taillé pour Zidane et a montré les limites qu'il imposait à Vieira sur le côté droit.

C'est le choix le plus vraisemblable, celui du 4-4-2 classique, avec meneurs excentrés, qui a orchestré l'essentiel de la première saison de Domenech à la tête des Bleus et qui était venu à bout du Costa Rica il y a huit mois (3-2).

[sl7vk]

Given the young Togo team and the need for goals. I see Raymundo opting for a 5-5-0. Reinforce the midfield and play on the counter.

[awmhamodat]

I would actually like silvestre on the left , he plays good there.i would be afraid if he plays centre , but left is good.

For mid , DROP ********ING VIERA ALREADY>If we wanna score 2 goals , we gotta let go of the 2 def mids.Leave makele by himself.He have more space for himslef , and will make better work defensively than both them together.

I fear that our dummass coach would play vikassh instead of zidane.and stick with one man upfront.I would have saha , he is going to be really important for a team like togo , at target man is readyy needded here.I would pla ribery instead of zidane , I know he didn't play that well 1st game , But really , Im willing to take chance now.we need to score.

Ps. I have a really strong feeling that if domench still picks his usual formation , that we will not only not be able to score , we will lose to togo.Im really hoping im wrong.

[allezlesbleusno1]

Domenech hinted Trezeguet would start against Togo, with France switching from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-4-2 formation.

"David could play a part," Domenech said of his 32-goal scorer.

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5713098

[lefutur]

I would actually like silvestre on the left , he plays good there.i would be afraid if he plays centre , but left is good.

For mid , DROP ********ING VIERA ALREADY>If we wanna score 2 goals , we gotta let go of the 2 def mids.Leave makele by himself.He have more space for himslef , and will make better work defensively than both them together.

I fear that our dummass coach would play vikassh instead of zidane.and stick with one man upfront.I would have saha , he is going to be really important for a team like togo , at target man is readyy needded here.I would pla ribery instead of zidane , I know he didn't play that well 1st game , But really , Im willing to take chance now.we need to score.

Ps. I have a really strong feeling that if domench still picks his usual formation , that we will not only not be able to score , we will lose to togo.Im really hoping im wrong.

Everything you say here is true. Especially about your predictions for Domenech's probably formation. :mad:

[ilv2]

just heard on the radio that:

vikash and silvestre are likely to be titulaire against togo :( :(

[BenP]

just heard on the radio that:

vikash and silvestre are likely to be titulaire against togo :( :(

Well . . . its not the end of the world if its not a straight up situation of plugging Dhorasoo in for Zidane and leaving the lineup as is . . . if not, Domenech, really does have no clue. The team needs to score goals.

[ilv2]

Well . . . its not the end of the world if its not a straight up situation of plugging Dhorasoo in for Zidane and leaving the lineup as is . . . if not, Domenech, really does have no clue. The team needs to score goals.

that's what I fear. remember that article w/ Just Fontaine...

[blackjack]

you're forgetting Sagnol. You can therefore move Gallas over as a FB and take out Givet.

Sagnol is left out by design. I know it seems strange, but I do have a reason for it. I just do not trust Sagnol on the left side at all. I want Gallas on the right so his pace can eliminate the need for a wing-back there. With Malouda on the left, Givet is playing more of a centre-back than Gallas is, and I like him at CB better than I like Sagnol.

[ilv2]

Sagnol is left out by design. I know it seems strange, but I do have a reason for it. I just do not trust Sagnol on the left side at all. I want Gallas on the right so his pace can eliminate the need for a wing-back there. With Malouda on the left, Givet is playing more of a centre-back than Gallas is, and I like him at CB better than I like Sagnol.

hm what i'm not getting is why not play sagnol on the right as usual to cover that flank while gallas can be positioned as a LB, although it's not his natural position (he performed adequately there for chelsea no?). Thuram will then be the anchor in the center.

[blackjack]

hm what i'm not getting is why not play sagnol on the right as usual to cover that flank while gallas can be positioned as a LB, although it's not his natural position (he performed adequately there for chelsea no?). Thuram will then be the anchor in the center.

Sagnol has neither the pace nor the stamina to cover that side by himself in a three-man backline. There is no wingback on that side, so the defender there must have incredible speed and stamina. Sagnol is solid in those respects, but he's no Gallas. Were there an option for a right-sided wingback to play the same role as Malouda would on the left, then I'd say move Sagnol there. There is no such option though.

This is good discussion, but it's all moot because Domenech would never do anything like this.

[ilv2]

Sagnol has neither the pace nor the stamina to cover that side by himself in a three-man backline. There is no wingback on that side, so the defender there must have incredible speed and stamina. Sagnol is solid in those respects, but he's no Gallas. Were there an option for a right-sided wingback to play the same role as Malouda would on the left, then I'd say move Sagnol there. There is no such option though.

This is good discussion, but it's all moot because Domenech would never do anything like this.

ah ok gotcha, god i would love to see that in action. Dhorasoo however isn't bad defensively though, as demonstrated during his performance in the CDF final when he put on a stellar midfield show. But granted his movement around the field is quite limited (in comparison to Malouda) and his potential replacement on that flank won't have the same qualities just when you need them the most (should france find itself needing to attack but not create holes in the defense). One can also try channeling the attack through the left, while having the right play more defensively. However, that'll create problems should we still have problems breaking through as there would be a lack of options in attack.

Well, if willy gets tired we can always put in pascal....CHIMBONDA!

[CL_2004]

With no Zidane, I have a feeling Togo may win this match.

[guignol]

i fail to see what zidane has provided in the last 5 matches that we can't do without.

[allezlesbleusno1]

Zidane's absence may well be the catalyst in a victory against Togo. The formation will change, undoubtedly. His absence will also speed up the pace of the game which we've been asking for.
With no Zidane, I have a feeling Togo may win this match.

[guignol]

i just want to fluff my idea that malouda should play left back. if it wasn't for abidal that's where he would be playing today, and he would be the best in L1 (aside from eric).

don't worry that we need him too much up front. just put some bricks on the roof and bolt the shutters, there'll be hurricane warnings down the left flank no matter who he's paired with: wiltord, ribery or henry.

[guignol]

this just in:

Barthez
Sagnol--Thuram--Gallas--Silvestre
Vieira----Makelele
Ribéry--------------------Malouda
Trezeguet-----Henry.

source l'équipe

[ribery57]

Un 4-4-2 avec Trezeguet et Ribéry

C'est une information L'Equipe : les Bleus, au vu du contenu de leur séance d'entraînement de mercredi matin à Hameln, évolueront contre le Togo dans un 4-4-2 avec deux meneurs excentrés, Malouda et Ribéry, en soutien d'un duo Henry-Trezeguet. Si rien ne vient bouleverser les plans de Raymond Domenech d'ici à vendredi, l'équipe de départ à Cologne sera : Barthez - Sagnol, Thuram, Gallas, Silvestre - Ribéry, Vieira (cap.), Makelele, Malouda - Trezeguet, Henry.

[sl7vk]

this just in:

Barthez
Sagnol--Thuram--Gallas--Silvestre
Vieira----Makelele
Ribéry--------------------Malouda
Trezeguet-----Henry.

source l'équipe

Well if Ray is committed to his 2 dmids then this formation doesn't look to bad I suppose.

[lefutur]

Well if Ray is committed to his 2 dmids then this formation doesn't look to bad I suppose.

you should have emphasised the TOO in your statement.

Why 2 defensive mids when we are trying to score??!!!

The Dutch had the bollocks to play with a 3-5-2 against Argentina. Why does'nt Ray have any spine.

Just Fontaine was right, this guy won't ever see the error of his ways! :mad: