View Full Version : Official England - Trinidad and Tobago POST Match Thread II [R]
Toon³
16 Jun 2006, 05:59 PM
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England 2 - 0 Trinidad and Tobago
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vapotrini
16 Jun 2006, 06:13 PM
I must say I'm a little taken back by the English response given their history (maradona and all). It's one thing for the incident to have happened and their fans say, yeah bad call... hard luck guys. However, I see the majority of English fans here almost justifying what was done because they apparently in their minds... "deserved" to win. Deserving to win has absolutely nothing to do with it. That's a pretty piss poor excuse if you ask me. Infact, I'd say it's pathetic.
Trust me, Karma is a bitch and if you get screwed out of this world cup due to a bad call, there's not a single person around the world that's gonna feel badly for you.
RazorGrass
16 Jun 2006, 06:14 PM
It's easy to cry "conspiracy", a lot harder to actually back up the claim.
It's not hard to back up that claim at all. Just look at any game in the past say 20 years and you will notice a distinct pattern.
Equal fouls are RARELY penalised for the bigger footballing nations.
Like Ardiles? I recall him being a very well-respected player in England. So who exactly are all these Argentine players that got booed?
Oh please! Remember the Falkland Islands War? Then Maradona's handy blessing from 'God'? You really want to act like English fans had a love affair with Argentine playerss. Gimme a break. They would not even come to England for years to accept contracts for safety reasons. And, Ardiles was booed when he played for quite some time.
Mercyrose
16 Jun 2006, 06:15 PM
right....firstly rastafarianism is a religion...cut out all the 'he should cut his hair' talk........and i bet you if a tnt player had grabbed an english players shirt and whipped him around in an attempt at a header...the ref might have noticed it???(i'm just saying)not only that i am certain all you english fans who are calling TnT fans 'whiners' would be doing all the whining........it's just that people are disappointed and are expressing it.....you guys would do the same!!! Oh and i have a legitamate question.....alot of you said that trinidad put ten men behind the ball(not that i agree) what else should they have done?...according to all you well informed football folks trinidad and tobago is a terrible,terrible,horrid,weak team? so if they defended why was that bad?....oh i know why beacause there is a law that says once the odds are against you you must just sit there and take it up the butt!!!! right how silly of me....why in the world would anyone want to play with heart and soul when they are sooooooo obviously outclassed by soooo many wonderful, amazing, superb,fantastic teams....man thanks for clearing that up guys!!
that second goal was brilliant tho (damn gerrard)
go soca warriors!!! *waits to see which putz is gonna insult her or put up more aranold pics*
FatAndUgly
16 Jun 2006, 06:29 PM
right....firstly rastafarianism is a religion...cut out all the 'he should cut his hair' talk........and i bet you if a tnt player had grabbed an english players shirt and whipped him around in an attempt at a header...the ref might have noticed it???(i'm just saying)not only that i am certain all you english fans who are calling TnT fans 'whiners' would be doing all the whining........it's just that people are disappointed and are expressing it.....you guys would do the same!!! Oh and i have a legitamate question.....alot of you said that trinidad put ten men behind the ball(not that i agree) what else should they have done?...according to all you well informed football folks trinidad and tobago is a terrible,terrible,horrid,weak team? so if they defended why was that bad?....oh i know why beacause there is a law that says once the odds are against you you must just sit there and take it up the butt!!!! right how silly of me....why in the world would anyone want to play with heart and soul when they are sooooooo obviously outclassed by soooo many wonderful, amazing, superb,fantastic teams....man thanks for clearing that up guys!!
that second goal was brilliant tho (damn gerrard)
go soca warriors!!! *waits to see which putz is gonna insult her or put up more aranold pics*
This post sounds familiar - did you think it was important enought to post twice?? I don't know anything about Sancho's religion, and frankly don't care. If your religion specifies that you have 5-inch fingernails and you cut someone's face in the match, you're gonna be at fault. If someone refuses to take off a necklace and gets choked by it, oh bloody well. Long hair in sports can be a liability sometimes, period, and this is one of those times.
p.s. (off topic alert!) I was under the impression that rastas chose to wear dreads because it symbolized the way the 'lion of judah' looked, and it also represented rebellion to the oppressor. It wasn't necessarily going against rastafarianism to cut one's hair - it was more that they weren't going to bow to another authority to do so.
Captain Flashart
16 Jun 2006, 06:29 PM
I must say I'm a little taken back by the English response given their history (maradona and all). It's one thing for the incident to have happened and their fans say, yeah bad call... hard luck guys. However, I see the majority of English fans here almost justifying what was done because they apparently in their minds "deserved" to win. Deserving to win has absolutely nothing to do with it. That's a pretty piss poor excuse if you ask me. Infact, I'd say it's pathetic.
Trust me, Karma is a bitch and if you get screwed out of this world cup due to a bad call, there's not a single person around the world that's gonna feel badly for you.
I'm sensing a little hostility here. Anyway, there's no such thing as Karma. But that's probably one for the Existentialism messageboards
Mercyrose
16 Jun 2006, 06:48 PM
just wanted my point to be read...lol...... and ummm i think that they're not allowed to cut their hair or the hair of others......i think samson is tied up somewhere in there too......not really sure...and just cause it's there doen't mean it needs to be pulled...right? i dunno i'm just bummed at the hair pulling i'm still backing england tho..it's just that it kinda sucked...and tnt did play with all all their hear and soul and to see all those post calling us losers and wankers or whatever made me kinda steamed...whatever i've said my piece...laterz
england66
16 Jun 2006, 06:59 PM
probably no INTENT to pull the guys hair....there was just so damn much of it and they were so close would have been tough for the friggin mop not to get in the way....
Shackleton
16 Jun 2006, 07:06 PM
probably no INTENT to pull the guys hair....there was just so damn much of it and they were so close would have been tough for the friggin mop not to get in the way....
Agreed. I accidentally yank people's heads round all the time. Definitely an accident. :rolleyes:
Chewmylegoff
16 Jun 2006, 07:06 PM
if fouling another player is cheating, then every player on the pitch, and every player in every country's team is a cheat.
So, it would be wrong to call Maradona a cheat?
what does maradona have to do with fouls?
Shackleton
16 Jun 2006, 07:15 PM
if fouling another player is cheating, then every player on the pitch, and every player in every country's team is a cheat.
So, it would be wrong to call Maradona a cheat?
what does maradona have to do with fouls?
He committed an infamous one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkWXKolHoY&search=hand%20of%20god
sinner78
16 Jun 2006, 07:22 PM
Agreed. I accidentally yank people's heads round all the time. Definitely an accident. :rolleyes:
at least this incident gives you a distraction from the trainwreck of the USMNT campaign.
must make you feel wanted.
start a charity for tragic impoverished defenders who had their dreads slightly tugged in games.
Mercyrose
16 Jun 2006, 07:25 PM
slightly?? i bet if sancho's neck got broken yall woulda said he was faking...
'get up you faker!!..it was a slight tug.....stop holding your neck at that weird angle on purpose' lol sorry
*hides*
It's not hard to back up that claim at all. Just look at any game in the past say 20 years and you will notice a distinct pattern.
Equal fouls are RARELY penalised for the bigger footballing nations.
A purely subjective opinion...
Oh please! Remember the Falkland Islands War? Then Maradona's handy blessing from 'God'? You really want to act like English fans had a love affair with Argentine playerss. Gimme a break. They would not even come to England for years to accept contracts for safety reasons. And, Ardiles was booed when he played for quite some time.
The implication of your post was that Maradona's Hand of God caused all Argentinian players to get booed. Sowhat on earth does a war that took place four years earlier have to do with anything? And,again, exactly who were these players that got booed because of the Hand of God? Ardiles, btw,was so "hated" in England that he was appointed coach of a team less than three years later.
Chewmylegoff
16 Jun 2006, 07:36 PM
He committed an infamous one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkWXKolHoY&search=hand%20of%20god
who did he foul?
Shackleton
16 Jun 2006, 07:48 PM
who did he foul?
Your question seems to assume that you must foul an opponent to commit a foul. That's incorrect.
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following four offences:
tackles an opponent to gain possession of the ball, making contact
with the opponent before touching the ball
holds an opponent
spits at an opponent
handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his
own penalty area) [emphasis added]
Your question seems to assume that you must foul an opponent to commit a foul. That's incorrect.
He asked "who did he foul", not "how did he foul".
Mercyrose
16 Jun 2006, 07:58 PM
^^^ exactly...shacklebolt is saying that a person wasn't fouled....it was a hand ball...which is a foul......unless he was asking who the opposing team was?...and it was england in that case
Chewmylegoff
16 Jun 2006, 08:01 PM
Your question seems to assume that you must foul an opponent to commit a foul. That's incorrect.
fouling is fouling another player. the section of the rules you quoted is titled "fouling and misconduct".
a foul is a foul, a handball is a handball.
Shackleton
16 Jun 2006, 08:07 PM
fouling is fouling another player. the section of the rules you quoted is titled "fouling and misconduct".
a foul is a foul, a handball is a handball.
Let's clarify--are you saying that handling is NOT a foul?