South Korea vs. France [R]

[ilv2]

Geopolitically, France is in a much better spot than Korea.

care to explain that?
I am well aware of the korean penninsula changing hands continually throughout it's history, but please the continent of europe is an entire mess in itself, and that has a lot to do with it's geopolitical attributes. History has shown countless times that Europe, and France included, isn't the most stable of places as a result of exactly that.

[melonbarmonster]

Life was pretty short and brutal in Asia as it was in Europe throughout history: wars, changing of kingdoms and dynasties, attempted conquests and expansion, etc.. What set Korea apart is the fact that it's always found itself between a rock and a hardplace throughout history. It's relatively small compared to its neighbors and always was caught in between conflicts by bigger and more powerful neighbors all the way up to the Cold War and even now. Being in a precarious position in context of larger conflicts Korea had to play bigger parties off of each other to survive. At least France was able to weather historical conflicts and instability on its own merits instead of having to be the perpetual underdog caught in conflicts of overwhelmingly bigger external factors.

care to explain that?
I am well aware of the korean penninsula changing hands continually throughout it's history, but please the continent of europe is an entire mess in itself, and that has a lot to do with it's geopolitical attributes. History has shown countless times that Europe, and France included, isn't the most stable of places as a result of exactly that.

[Its only Ray Parlour]

To the person that asked before. France have to beat Togo 2-0 to be assured of qualification.

[ribery57]

If we can't beat Togo 2-0 then i think we'll put Domenech on the guillotine. Traître à la patrie !

[guignol]

I find it a little bit disconcerting that no one is willing to give credit to where Korea do best: stamina... isn't it possible that Korea could play at a hectic pace, wear France out, score a goal near the end and win? pretty prophetic. but it wasn't korea that imposed the pace, france dominated even more than i thought. they ran out of poop in the last 15 minutes, but they should have put the game away before then... they did in fact, viera's goal was not just over the line, it was a ball-length ot two past over the line. the official really stitched us up, and not only on his.

and in the last 15 minutes, if we're up by 2, then, chimbonda and givet for sagnol and thuram, instead of reinforcements up front, and the second half ends the way the first did. but even without this...

barthez! :mad: he was far from reassuring against switz, but last night he was a disgrace! that goal he's reaching in agony for... christ almighty it was barely as high as the bar. but when 1) you never come off your line 2) you mistime your jump and 3) you're a midget, well s*** happens! :eek:

a minute later he almost throws the winner in for korea al by himself. and then he stands on his line and watches a ball roll... not out; obliging gallas to concede the corner, when coupet would have had the ball in hand and thrown it to abidal 40 metres up the field, thinking (silly greg) that just maybe getting the ball upfield fast might help his team win! barthez does this consistantly, he thinks slowing the pace down helps his wheezing buddies, but a couple of times in the first half we had korea on the ropes, and it would have been better to pour it on!

[guignol]

Trez, who looked so hungry on the sidelines... on the sidelines! that's just it! where's that hunger go to when he's on the pitch?

[guignol]

you could say barthez indirectly screwed us over (like agianst senegal) but im sure coupet would have don the same. no way. first of all, coupet would have HAD the ball at the get go. and if not, there's no way that goal get's over coupet. before every half, he jumps at the bar; sometimes he touches it with his ear, sometimes even with his chin. barthez doesn't look like he could even get an elbow on it. l'équipe put his (generously) at 4.5, with the remark that kills... L'exemple-type du match détestable.

except for the great fabien, though, i think france played well. i felt that the formation used against switz was good, but just needed to be positioned 10 metres higher, and that's just what they did (actually it was more like 15 metres). the whole block was closer together, and the result showed, by all rights it's 2-0 at half.

sagnol played the same game, but made in into the corner, and his long passes didn't have to be as long.

thuram and gallas had the juice to play higher, unfortunately only for 75 minures, but that should have been enough.

abidal did everything right again, except miss the togo match, and i think his card was severe. i don't see how the korean could dive like that, it looks clear he had to be touched, but at the best angles on TV, it looked like abidal didn't even touch him. i can't swear to that though.

those criticizing viera must have seen a completely diffrent game than me. or else they're expecting the monster pat of a few years ago. he was good, even beyond almost scoring twice. we even saw more of him than of makalele, which is a good thing in both directions; the liferafts are most comforting when you don't see them!

malouda was more on the right than the left, if it bothered him it wasn't much. wiltord was perhaps not great, but you can't say he wasn't good. i admit he was cooked when he came out, perhaps ribéry should have started the half.

zidane was the best he's been in a long time. he's not the zizou who was voted player of the century in a FIFA poll a couple of years ago? who is????

henry too bad he wasn't as good on the first two as on the third, but he was all over the field, and if we had korea spinning for 60 minutes, a lot of it was due to him.

[Metropolitan]

Guignol, you forget the obvious. This team is old, it can play well but not longer than 60 minutes.

When you have old players like this, you have to make early substitutions. The only reason why we haven't win yesterday's game is because we haven't put Ribéry in at the 45th minute and Zidane out at the 60th minute.

There's only in France that we find it natural to make play a 34 year-old player during the 90 minutes of a full game.

[guignol]

Guignol, you forget the obvious. This team is old, it can play well but not longer than 60 minutes.

When you have old players like this, you have to make early substitutions. The only reason why we haven't win yesterday's game is because we haven't put Ribéry in at the 45th minute and Zidane out at the 60th minute.

There's only in France that we find it natural to make play a 34 year-old player during the 90 minutes of a full game.they were good for 75' and not a minute less. except for zidane.

but you're right. if raymond is going to pick chimbondas, diarras and sahas, it should be to use them.

[Reignking]

That Zidane yellow might have been the worst card of the tournament (and this is coming from an American). Are protests allowed? Can it be repealed?

[Ballon d'or Identity]

That Zidane yellow might have been the worst card of the tournament (and this is coming from an American). Are protests allowed? Can it be repealed?
Well this card against Korea was deserved, but the one against the Swiss was a joke.
He kicked the ball on a set piece before the ref whistled and got a yellow for that.
Two or three matches after, the same thing happened, and nothing.
I mean they either have instructions or they don't. It's a different competition from one match to the other :(

And no it's impossible to overrule what a ref did.

[guignol]

personally it's not zidane's card that worries me. it's abidal's!! :eek:

[ruudgullit]

Well this card against Korea was deserved, but the one against the Swiss was a joke.


The card against Korea wasn't deserved either. That Korean nancy boy went down like he had been shot by a gun. The contact was so minor on replay, the defender sold it to the utmost. The more I see things like this the more I become a proponent of post match video review and correction.

[matabala]

Good result for the France with Suisse beating Togo. I wouldn't want to be SK playing Suisse for the qualification if the ref in the Togo match is any indication. Blatter and his FIFIes will do anything to insure the Suisse go through. The French will get the benefit of every doubt on game day 3 as well. Politics and football - Euro style.

[jambon-beurre]

Good result for the France with Suisse beating Togo. I wouldn't want to be SK playing Suisse for the qualification if the ref in the Togo match is any indication. Blatter and his FIFIes will do anything to insure the Suisse go through. The French will get the benefit of every doubt on game day 3 as well. Politics and football - Euro style.

Like here :
http://wktk.vip2ch.com/vipper6156.gif

:rolleyes:

[lefutur]

Like here :
http://wktk.vip2ch.com/vipper6156.gif

:rolleyes:

just painful

:mad:

[guignol]

Good result for the France with Suisse beating Togo. I wouldn't want to be SK playing Suisse for the qualification if the ref in the Togo match is any indication. Blatter and his FIFIes will do anything to insure the Suisse go through. The French will get the benefit of every doubt on game day 3 as well. Politics and football - Euro style.good result? a nil or a togo win means we only need to beat togo to advance, and have good chances to win the group. now we need to beat togo by 2 goals.

but it's all cacademic. if we can't beat togo by two goals, better off all the players go home and get ready for next year!

as for your eurostyle politics, what team has the world cup record for valid goals against them not counting? it's neither switz, france or togo, but they play in group G. you get ONE guess ;) .

[sl7vk]

I'm so sick of these terrible officials....... They are really ruining this World Cup.

[sl7vk]

So what do we need.... To beat Togo by 2 goals or more?

[Douai]

So what do we need.... To beat Togo by 2 goals or more?
That's what I have heard, which isn't great news since we have only scored 1 goal in this wc.EDIT:Actually we technically scored 2 goals in the wc so far.Maybe it won't be that hard to score 2 goals against Togo.