Official BVB Transfer Thread [R] Part III

[MetroChile]

I know this may not mean nothing at all (in fact, I personally don't think it actually means anything), but SkySports linked us today to Elmander.
He's generally a winger/wide midfielder/second striker type player, and we already have players for all those positions (Ondokor, Gambino, Smolarek, Van der Gun, Sahin, even Buckley and Ricken).
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=400589&CPID=14&clid=67&lid=7&title=Brondby:+Gers+bid+rejected

[HeyaBVB]

I know this may not mean nothing at all (in fact, I personally don't think it actually means anything), but SkySports linked us today to Elmander.
He's generally a winger/wide midfielder/second striker type player, and we already have players for all those positions (Ondokor, Gambino, Smolarek, Van der Gun, Sahin, even Buckley and Ricken).
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=400589&CPID=14&clid=67&lid=7&title=Brondby:+Gers+bid+rejected
Stop listening to any british source ... they suck .... If you want actual news on german soccer read kicker ....

We have what we want .. Frei and Valdez .. plus Tinga seems to be coming .... + Pienaar + Amedick .... so we spend the money for the players we wanted allready

[MetroChile]

-READING ONLINE does not count as LISTENING I suppose. ;)
-I clearly noted that we already have enough players that fill the roles that Elmander can play in.
-I do read Kicker, as a matter in fact.
-Relax, please. :)
Metro

[footyfan1]

-READING ONLINE does not count as LISTENING I suppose. ;)
-I clearly noted that we already have enough players that fill the roles that Elmander can play in.
-I do read Kicker, as a matter in fact.
-Relax, please. :)
Metro


If my friend who seemingly thinks he and "Kicker" know everything that's going on would stop and take a breath, he would realize that at one time, BVB were VERY INTERESTED in Elmander and his sainted "Kicker", did post that news.

I thought the Sky Sports report mentioned our PAST interest in Elmander and not any new interest?

Because one thing my friend there does have right is that when many British news sources want to either boost a story or make a player seem more "desired" than he actually is, they seemingly have a list of clubs they always say are interested in that player.

Somehow, despite our near ruin financially, our names never came off that list........

Whether it's true or not (In most cases it usually isn't true) they list us as being interested.

In the case of Elmander, again, we were VERY INTERESTED at him at one point until we turned our attention to Alexander Frei.

I don't think there's anything wrong with posting rumors from British sources. Learning to decipher the bullshit from the real news takes time. And even when you do post the news that's BS, there are those who know and will tell you. Don't worry about it, just keep on posting!

You have to forgive my friend there. Sometimes you'd think he hates anything English-speaking, but I don't think that's truly the case.

However sometimes........ ;)

[HeyaBVB]

If my friend who seemingly thinks he and "Kicker" know everything that's going on would stop and take a breath, he would realize that at one time, BVB were VERY INTERESTED in Elmander and his sainted "Kicker", did post that news.

I thought the Sky Sports report mentioned our PAST interest in Elmander and not any new interest?

Because one thing my friend there does have right is that when many British news sources want to either boost a story or make a player seem more "desired" than he actually is, they seemingly have a list of clubs they always say are interested in that player.

Somehow, despite our near ruin financially, our names never came off that list........

Whether it's true or not (In most cases it usually isn't true) they list us as being interested.

In the case of Elmander, again, we were VERY INTERESTED at him at one point until we turned our attention to Alexander Frei.

I don't think there's anything wrong with posting rumors from British sources. Learning to decipher the bullshit from the real news takes time. And even when you do post the news that's BS, there are those who know and will tell you. Don't worry about it, just keep on posting!

You have to forgive my friend there. Sometimes you'd think he hates anything English-speaking, but I don't think that's truly the case.

However sometimes........ ;)

I don't hate anything english speaking ... I just think british media is BULL ....

- they link us with players we were never intrested in ..
- they tell us players are injured , all BVB fans are ********ing scared, cause we allready had tw cases of "Kreuzbandriss" and then its not true what they wrote ....

Kicker is like BVB webpage ... they only bring in the news when its really done or close to be done, or if the club officially declared intrest and they don't make players injured cause it just fits them.

Oh and by the way ... if I would hate english .. why do I bother to speak/write it and why do I bother doing an LCCI Certificat in September ... although I have no ********ing clue why my english teacher , a guy from england want's me to do level 3 (which is almost the highest level)

[footyfan1]

I don't hate anything english speaking ... I just think british media is BULL ....

- they link us with players we were never intrested in ..
- they tell us players are injured , all BVB fans are ********ing scared, cause we allready had tw cases of "Kreuzbandriss" and then its not true what they wrote ....

Kicker is like BVB webpage ... they only bring in the news when its really done or close to be done, or if the club officially declared intrest and they don't make players injured cause it just fits them.

Oh and by the way ... if I would hate english .. why do I bother to speak/write it and why do I bother doing an LCCI Certificat in September ... although I have no ********ing clue why my english teacher , a guy from england want's me to do level 3 (which is almost the highest level)


That's why I said "However sometimes" and accompanied it with a ;)

You should read your own words sometime and try to take it from the view of someone else.

And as far as the British press goes, yeah, most of them are really bad, but "Bild" are just as bad and you don't mind following their stupid rumors when it is what you want to believe.........

[HeyaBVB]

That's why I said "However sometimes" and accompanied it with a ;)

You should read your own words sometime and try to take it from the view of someone else.

And as far as the British press goes, yeah, most of them are really bad, but "Bild" are just as bad and you don't mind following their stupid rumors when it is what you want to believe.........
Lol actually I only look in the bild because of the page 1 gal ....

Frings punched no one or he hits like a ********** cause Cruz said he didn't feel punched at all .--- So I wonder why in hell Frings got banned for NOTHING as Cruz said .. cause only one reason ... Depp Sepp wanted germany out of the final

[footyfan1]

Lol actually I only look in the bild because of the page 1 gal ....

We all do there!! LOL!! :D



Frings punched no one or he hits like a ********** cause Cruz said he didn't feel punched at all .--- So I wonder why in hell Frings got banned for NOTHING as Cruz said .. cause only one reason ... Depp Sepp wanted germany out of the final


Frings hits like a b!tch then. I saw the statement from Cruz. Cruz says he didn't feel anything. That's fine. I guess he wants to the world to think he's a hard ass. Frings was caught on video hitting another player. Any player gets suspended for that.

It doesn't matter how hard you hit him. It's the action itself.

One thing you say there makes no sense at all.

Why would Blatter want Germany out of the final when Germany in the final would put more money in FIFA's pocket??

If anything, they would have "cheated" to put Germany IN THE FINAL!

Number two. Torsten Frings wouldn't have made any difference last night. The better team won. And to continually sit there and insuinate Frings would have been the difference is disrespecting the great job Tim Borowski and Sebastian Kehl did last night.

I understand that you are bitter about the loss. But the truth is, the Italians were the better team last night and Germany still almost got the job done.

Don't dismiss the great job of your own team with all these conspiracy theories and whining.

Germany got further than anyone outside of Germany fans predicted they would have and I think this tournament is the dawn of another era of great German football.

Stop crying and celebrate their accomplishments.

As long as the DFB doesn't go back to the old ways, this team will become one of the best teams in the world.

I'm sorry. I made a mistake. They already are. They just need further guidance and experience.

And I've changed my mind. I hope Juergen Klinsmann stays with Germany. I don't think he's ready to take on the mission of getting the USA to the next level. I think Leo Beekenhakker (Or however you spell his name!) is better suited to that job.

Juergen would get them to the level after that...... :)

Let's get this thread back to BVB transfers. This discussion is more suited for the "2006 World Cup Discussion" thread.

[HypoLuxa]

http://www.worldfootballers.com/news.php?id=13868

Well now I miss Rosicky less and less. If what you say is true, Keith, and Rosicky's lack of motivation was induced by Sammer and his staff then I have a bit of sympathy for him. However, that was a few years ago and also, I do not recall Rosicky being placed as the sacrificial lamb for Dortmund's struggles. As a team's star player you always get scrutinized a bit more than your teammates, but that's why they get paid the big bucks (pardon the cliche). If he wants to blend in and NOT be the center of attention well then fine, but to say that Dortmund repeatedly threw him under the bus I find bang out of order. He has to answer to SOME of the criticism at least for Dortmund's average to below average play the past few years...

[footyfan1]

http://www.worldfootballers.com/news.php?id=13868

Well now I miss Rosicky less and less. If what you say is true, Keith, and Rosicky's lack of motivation was induced by Sammer and his staff then I have a bit of sympathy for him.

Not Sammer and his staff. SAMMER.


However, that was a few years ago and also, I do not recall Rosicky being placed as the sacrificial lamb for Dortmund's struggles.


Are you on our BVB e-mail (Yahoogroups) list/official BVB Fan Club??

If not, you should be.

You would have seen people putting the "blame" for s#itty TEAM performances on one man for almost three consecutive seasons. It happened on the streets up in Dortmund too. As much as Rosicky loved Dortmund when he first arrived and in his first three seasons, in the end, it was not just the sagging club fortunes, but also the over-inflated expectations of and criticisms from the fans that drove him away.

Rosicky was hyped by the team's former management as the man to lead the club to titles into the next century. They hailed him as the "savior". That wasn't that kid's fault. He even tried to deflect some of those expectations when he came in.

And those expectations were like an albatross around his neck for his entire stay in Dortmund.





As a team's star player you always get scrutinized a bit more than your teammates, but that's why they get paid the big bucks (pardon the cliche).

Dude. Almost everyone on that team "got paid the big bucks". That's one of the reasons we're in such financial trouble.

Pardon the re-use of the cliche. :D




If he wants to blend in and NOT be the center of attention well then fine, but to say that Dortmund repeatedly threw him under the bus I find bang out of order.


I honestly don't care what you find "bang out of order" here. I know what happened. And BVB's old management made a habit of throwing the entire team under the bus.

It was worse for Rosicky. THE FANS are the ones who blamed him for the team's lousy performances! That hurt him more than anything because that kid truly loved BVB, Dortmund and the fans.

I don't know that I can say that for him anymore.

As much as I love BVB, I know the club isn't perfect and they allowed some f#cked up s#it to go on within the team until we got rid of the old management and it affected some players very negatively, the "biggest" of which being Tomas Rosicky.

One of the things they did was continually try to blame the players for the club's problems when all of their stupid dealings started to come to light.

And you know what's worse??

LAZY ASS FANS, instead of finding out the truth about what was going on there, just took management at their word. If you'd been on my list you would have seen me continally pleading with the other members to not just listen to managment. I told them for a couple of years before all the problems were made public that something stunk with BVB management.

No one would listen until all their stupid dealings came to light. If the couple of guys who have been on our list for awhile will be honest, they will tell you I was right on that.

Back to players.

It's funny how BvM has turned things around with many of those same players and a couple (Odonkor & Kringe) who would have been sold or released had old management kept their man, (Sammer) and gave him his way.

As they always did.........

Funny. The more they gave Sammer his way, the worse things got. And the worse things got the more management and Sammer blamed the players and the more the fans blamed Rosicky.

No player took more heat during that time than Tomas Rosicky. And you come at me with this BS???




He has to answer to SOME of the criticism at least for Dortmund's average to below average play the past few years...

No HE doesn't.

EVERY PLAYER ON THOSE TEAMS SHOULD!!!

He's not and wasn't a one-man team and he wasn't the only "highly paid player" on the team!


Here are some reasons Tomas Rosicky doesn't have to answer for BORUSSIA DORTMUND'S performances.



Tomas Rosicky didn't make the rule that there are 11 players on a team, not just one.



Tomas Rosicky is not the reason Lars Ricken has never come close to living up to HIS potential.

Remember, Ricken not doing so is the major reason we went out and got Rosicky!

What I find funny is that somehow Lars Ricken is forgiven for not coming close to living up to the expectations the club heaped on him as a young player.

I guess you get a free pass when you're a "local boy." :rolleyes:



Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Dr. Niebaum (Former club president) took this team to the brink of financial ruin with stupid business and transfer decisions.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason most of the team turned against Matthias Sammer. Matthias Sammer was the reason most of the team turned against Matthias Sammer.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Matthias Sammer wound up causing most of the team to turn on each other.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason that somehow in the BVB shirt Jan Koller could not hit the sea if he fell off a f#cking boat in the middle of it!

People only talk about the goals Jan Koller scored in the BVB shirt, but if he would have converted not even half the "sitters" (Read: 100% goal chances) he missed over the past three seasons, we would have been in the Champions' League or UEFA Cup each season!!


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Jan Koller could manage to block his own shot at an open net with his lead foot (That actually happened!) :D



Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Christoph Metzelder was out for over 18 months and suffered a serious loss of form until this World Cup.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason we played sub-standard players like Andre Bergdolmo and Ahmed Madouni in Metzelder's absence.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Ebi Smolarek could only score two goals in the final 20 matches of this past season.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Delron Buckley couldn't score a single f#cking goal for us this past season!


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Jan Koller, Lars Ricken and Cedric van der Gun suffered knee injuries this past season.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason it took BvM half a season to finally get through to Philipp Degen.


You want to know why Tomas Rosicky gave that interview he did??

Because of years of unreasonable expectations from fans who love to spew garbage when they apparently have not a clue of what actually happened to that kid at BVB or what happened to BVB while that kid was there!

At least he wasn't like that f#ckhead Torsten Frings who demanded to join BayScum when BVB finally did the right thing and fired Matthias Sammer two years too late!

Rosicky stayed, although he made it clear he wanted to leave. Didn't cry much about not being allowed to leave, played pretty darned well for us the past two seasons and the club got a nice transfer fee for him when he left!

And he didn't go to BayScum. He also didn't stay in Germany where he could hurt the club. He went elsewhere to try to finally fully develop into the player most believe he can become.

Could you imagine if BvM would have come on board with both Frings and Rosicky to work with??

Who was it that bolted for our worst rivals when things were bleakest for our club??

Hint: IT WASN'T TOMAS ROSICKY!!!!



It's good for both sides that Rosicky is gone. He's free of the unreasonable expectations of BVB fans and the club used his transfer fee rather nicely to strengthen the club offensively. This was a "win-win" situation for him and us!

Dude, if you have it in there, please get the fantasy out of your head that BVB is this "perfect club" that does no wrong. We had some serious problems the past few years and most of it was definitely the fault of the previous club management and Matthias Sammer!

The only thing I blame Tomas Rosicky for is not being more "professional" over the past few seasons and letting his emotions get in the way at times, but football is a game played with emotion, is it not??

Dealing with the stupidly inflated expecations of BVB fans for all these years, I fully understand why he wasn't happy for the few seasons before he finally departed.

Tomas Rosicky is not and never will be a one-man team. Sure there were things he didn't do, but why is he the only one who should answer for that?

Metzelder should have to answer for his faults.
Woerns should have to answer for his faults.
Dede should have to answer for his faults.
Kringe should have to answer for his faults.
Kehl should have to answer for his faults.

and so on, and so on, and so on..........

In the Bundesliga, TEAMS win matches and titles, not individual players. After 2002-2003, BVB never got to the point that one man could make the difference.

BvM is still teaching these guys how to be a TEAM again. You obviously have no clue how much Matthias Sammer destroyed not only their confidence as a team, but he destroyed most of the trust they had in each other.

These past few seasons, BvM has had to rebuild that trust and in the process, he's had to rebuild most of the team.

Thanks to the deal with Morgan Stanley and the Rosicky transfer fee, we will now have a more complete TEAM.

And I pray to God that we BVB fans never burden another BVB player with the stupidly unreasonable expectations that were heaped upon Tomas Rosicky.

This new crew will win as a team or lose as a team. Let's make sure WE keep it that way.

[HeyaBVB]

Not Sammer and his staff. SAMMER.





Are you on our BVB e-mail (Yahoogroups) list/official BVB Fan Club??

If not, you should be.

You would have seen people putting the "blame" for s#itty TEAM performances on one man for almost three consecutive seasons. It happened on the streets up in Dortmund too. As much as Rosicky loved Dortmund when he first arrived and in his first three seasons, in the end, it was not just the sagging club fortunes, but also the over-inflated expectations of and criticisms from the fans that drove him away.

Rosicky was hyped by the team's former management as the man to lead the club to titles into the next century. They hailed him as the "savior". That wasn't that kid's fault. He even tried to deflect some of those expectations when he came in.

And those expectations were like an albatross around his neck for his entire stay in Dortmund.







Dude. Almost everyone on that team "got paid the big bucks". That's one of the reasons we're in such financial trouble.

Pardon the re-use of the cliche. :D







I honestly don't care what you find "bang out of order" here. I know what happened. And BVB's old management made a habit of throwing the entire team under the bus.

It was worse for Rosicky. THE FANS are the ones who blamed him for the team's lousy performances! That hurt him more than anything because that kid truly loved BVB, Dortmund and the fans.

I don't know that I can say that for him anymore.

As much as I love BVB, I know the club isn't perfect and they allowed some f#cked up s#it to go on within the team until we got rid of the old management and it affected some players very negatively, the "biggest" of which being Tomas Rosicky.

One of the things they did was continually try to blame the players for the club's problems when all of their stupid dealings started to come to light.

And you know what's worse??

LAZY ASS FANS, instead of finding out the truth about what was going on there, just took management at their word. If you'd been on my list you would have seen me continally pleading with the other members to not just listen to managment. I told them for a couple of years before all the problems were made public that something stunk with BVB management.

No one would listen until all their stupid dealings came to light. If the couple of guys who have been on our list for awhile will be honest, they will tell you I was right on that.

Back to players.

It's funny how BvM has turned things around with many of those same players and a couple (Odonkor & Kringe) who would have been sold or released had old management kept their man, (Sammer) and gave him his way.

As they always did.........

Funny. The more they gave Sammer his way, the worse things got. And the worse things got the more management and Sammer blamed the players and the more the fans blamed Rosicky.

No player took more heat during that time than Tomas Rosicky. And you come at me with this BS???






No HE doesn't.

EVERY PLAYER ON THOSE TEAMS SHOULD!!!

He's not and wasn't a one-man team and he wasn't the only "highly paid player" on the team!


Here are some reasons Tomas Rosicky doesn't have to answer for BORUSSIA DORTMUND'S performances.



Tomas Rosicky didn't make the rule that there are 11 players on a team, not just one.



Tomas Rosicky is not the reason Lars Ricken has never come close to living up to HIS potential.

Remember, Ricken not doing so is the major reason we went out and got Rosicky!

What I find funny is that somehow Lars Ricken is forgiven for not coming close to living up to the expectations the club heaped on him as a young player.

I guess you get a free pass when you're a "local boy." :rolleyes:



Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Dr. Niebaum (Former club president) took this team to the brink of financial ruin with stupid business and transfer decisions.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason most of the team turned against Matthias Sammer. Matthias Sammer was the reason most of the team turned against Matthias Sammer.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Matthias Sammer wound up causing most of the team to turn on each other.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason that somehow in the BVB shirt Jan Koller could not hit the sea if he fell off a f#cking boat in the middle of it!

People only talk about the goals Jan Koller scored in the BVB shirt, but if he would have converted not even half the "sitters" (Read: 100% goal chances) he missed over the past three seasons, we would have been in the Champions' League or UEFA Cup each season!!


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Jan Koller could manage to block his own shot at an open net with his lead foot (That actually happened!) :D



Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Christoph Metzelder was out for over 18 months and suffered a serious loss of form until this World Cup.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason we played sub-standard players like Andre Bergdolmo and Ahmed Madouni in Metzelder's absence.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Ebi Smolarek could only score two goals in the final 20 matches of this past season.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Delron Buckley couldn't score a single f#cking goal for us this past season!


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason Jan Koller, Lars Ricken and Cedric van der Gun suffered knee injuries this past season.


Tomas Rosicky was not the reason it took BvM half a season to finally get through to Philipp Degen.


You want to know why Tomas Rosicky gave that interview he did??

Because of years of unreasonable expectations from fans who love to spew garbage when they apparently have not a clue of what actually happened to that kid at BVB or what happened to BVB while that kid was there!

At least he wasn't like that f#ckhead Torsten Frings who demanded to join BayScum when BVB finally did the right thing and fired Matthias Sammer two years too late!

Rosicky stayed, although he made it clear he wanted to leave. Didn't cry much about not being allowed to leave, played pretty darned well for us the past two seasons and the club got a nice transfer fee for him when he left!

And he didn't go to BayScum. He also didn't stay in Germany where he could hurt the club. He went elsewhere to try to finally fully develop into the player most believe he can become.

Could you imagine if BvM would have come on board with both Frings and Rosicky to work with??

Who was it that bolted for our worst rivals when things were bleakest for our club??

Hint: IT WASN'T TOMAS ROSICKY!!!!



It's good for both sides that Rosicky is gone. He's free of the unreasonable expectations of BVB fans and the club used his transfer fee rather nicely to strengthen the club offensively. This was a "win-win" situation for him and us!

Dude, if you have it in there, please get the fantasy out of your head that BVB is this "perfect club" that does no wrong. We had some serious problems the past few years and most of it was definitely the fault of the previous club management and Matthias Sammer!

The only thing I blame Tomas Rosicky for is not being more "professional" over the past few seasons and letting his emotions get in the way at times, but football is a game played with emotion, is it not??

Dealing with the stupidly inflated expecations of BVB fans for all these years, I fully understand why he wasn't happy for the few seasons before he finally departed.

Tomas Rosicky is not and never will be a one-man team. Sure there were things he didn't do, but why is he the only one who should answer for that?

Metzelder should have to answer for his faults.
Woerns should have to answer for his faults.
Dede should have to answer for his faults.
Kringe should have to answer for his faults.
Kehl should have to answer for his faults.

and so on, and so on, and so on..........

In the Bundesliga, TEAMS win matches and titles, not individual players. After 2002-2003, BVB never got to the point that one man could make the difference.

BvM is still teaching these guys how to be a TEAM again. You obviously have no clue how much Matthias Sammer destroyed not only their confidence as a team, but he destroyed most of the trust they had in each other.

These past few seasons, BvM has had to rebuild that trust and in the process, he's had to rebuild most of the team.

Thanks to the deal with Morgan Stanley and the Rosicky transfer fee, we will now have a more complete TEAM.

And I pray to God that we BVB fans never burden another BVB player with the stupidly unreasonable expectations that were heaped upon Tomas Rosicky.

This new crew will win as a team or lose as a team. Let's make sure WE keep it that way.


I think you mean me with the LAZY ASS FANS .... How about ... BROKEN FANS who get AG2? And have no ********ing cent to go to Dortmund directly? How about stopping attacking someone for being not able to do what he would like to do most?

But besides that ... How about Tomas ruining the team spirit? He wanted to leave for more than a year so he didn't gave his best for the team anymore .... he poisened the team with his "depression". If he would have fought his ass off NO BVB Fan would have been unsad ... even you should know that real BVB fans prefer players who fight their ass off (Billy Reina was a "Publikumsliebling and he literally sucked as a player ... he just fought his ass off) Rosicky only fought every 3rd game or so ... then he had one above average game .. than he had a game he sucked ....

No one says that Rosicky was the only one who made mistakes ... the team in general was sometimes great, then it sucked like hell .... But others fought their asses off ... Rosicky surely didn'T

[HypoLuxa]

Haha It's great when someone hits a nerve with you Keith, because your rants, my friend, are top notch. One thing I will say about Rosicky is that I've always rated him as a star player. Now, whether he is team leader material is a different matter. It goes part and parcel with your Killer Instinct issue, Keith, and Dortmund's lack thereof. Some players are leaders in terms of play making but couldn't lead a troop of boyscouts through a thunderstorm. It's not their fault, it's just their way. It seems all of the fans wanted him to be the leader of the team just because he was the most talented on the field. I’ve never really gotten this way of thinking but it’s there in every sport and in every country. And when you are the face of the team, which he was unwilling or not, you do get it from all sides. If the fans beat him down with unreasonable expectations, I can understand his relief at being out of the intense pressure cooker that BvB has to be. Dortmund's wonderful following is always a double-edged sword. I can only speak for myself I guess when I say that he shouldn't have to answer for the team's ineptitude. But he is a part of the team and therefore cannot be held aside when the debate ensues as to why the team is playing like crap. Of course he cannot be held solely accountable for the team’s play whether good or bad, but he does have to answer for himself and when the buck gets passed around to him, sometimes he has to speak for the team. And that’s what I meant when I said he had to answer SOME of the criticism. If I didn't get that across clearly in my previous post then I apologize for being ambiguous.

I for one have given him a free pass when he played mediocre the past years and have never put the sole blame for a loss on him. Of course some of that was because he was one of my favorite Dortmunders and if you've read any of my past posts I've been terrified of him leaving. This is not because I had no faith in the club recovering after his departure(although I have been a little skeptical if he could ever be replaced), but rather because I'm going to miss the guy and his tremendous skill. His on again, off again attitude has been frustrating at times but I’d take him back in a heartbeat. But again, I cannot speak for all of the Dortmund faithful. I was a little rankled when I read that article and probably shot off on this board before I should’ve, but whatever, I’m going to miss him and I guess the denial is still hanging on strong.

However, Keith I'd like to distance myself from your Lazy Fan tag as I am never under any illusion that the club is spotless and free from all blame. I am not that young or naïve to believe that the club is always right. I also cannot be held accountable for not living in Germany nor able to read/speak fluent German and the German football magazines. For me the internet is a great tool and the only way a Yank could even follow the league much less a specific team. And thankfully this board has passionate and knowledgeable contributors that can fill us who are not as close to the action as others in on the specifics and the backroom goings on. But to say I have all of my views on Dortmund spoon fed to me is just annoying.

Quick question to close my novel…Has anyone seen this Amedick play with Braunschweig before or only in his training with Dortmund? Is he capable of stepping in right away or is he a year or two away from a starting gig?

[footyfan1]

I think you mean me with the LAZY ASS FANS .... How about ... BROKEN FANS who get AG2? And have no ********ing cent to go to Dortmund directly? How about stopping attacking someone for being not able to do what he would like to do most?


You are dead wrong.

Honestly, you never crossed my mind.

Don't you remember that I was calling many Dortmund fans lazy back when I was telling everyone that the team's problems were because of management and not the other way around??

I was telling them to dig deeper for the truth instead of just blaming the players because that was the easiest thing to do??

You don't remember any of that?

It's really sad that you assumed I meant you.

As I said, when I was writing that, you never crossed my mind.






But besides that ... How about Tomas ruining the team spirit? He wanted to leave for more than a year so he didn't gave his best for the team anymore .... he poisened the team with his "depression". If he would have fought his ass off NO BVB Fan would have been unsad ... even you should know that real BVB fans prefer players who fight their ass off (Billy Reina was a "Publikumsliebling and he literally sucked as a player ... he just fought his ass off) Rosicky only fought every 3rd game or so ... then he had one above average game .. than he had a game he sucked ....


See? That's EXACTLY what I mean. You're so far off base, it's hilarious.

First, Billy Reina was a "publikumsliebling" because he's from the freakin' area!! (Unna). HE'S A LOCAL BOY!! And when he sucked, the crowd got on him too!

Second, Tomas didn't "poison" anything in the team. Mangement and Sammer did that all on their own! But it's just so easy to blame the players rather than go and find out what actually happened, isn't it??

Third, if you had any idea of real life, you'd understand why Rosicky felt the way he did. At first it was BECAUSE he felt he was letting down the fans! But then as Sammer continued to hammer him and praise Frings, Rosicky got to the point that he didn't care anymore and asked to leave.

When the club asked him to stay, he did. He didn't pull an Amoroso or a Frings. Despite all he was going through, he F#CKING STAYED and he didn't complain a lot!!

He would ask to leave in the summer and at the winterpause. But when it came time to play, Tomas Rosicky shut the f#ck up, went out and played. And at the end of each season, he asked the club to be allowed to leave again.

He didn't go out and air the club's bad business in public. Lord knows he could have, but he didn't.

He didn't go out and say he felt like he "was in jail" in Dortmund, like f#cking Oliseh did.

If anyone did this whole thing right, it was ROSICKY!!!




No one says that Rosicky was the only one who made mistakes ... the team in general was sometimes great, then it sucked like hell .... But others fought their asses off ... Rosicky surely didn'T


Man, you really show yourself to be a dumb ass at times, you know that??

The guy I was responding to said, and I quote,

"He (Rosicky) has to answer to SOME of the criticism at least for Dortmund's average to below average play the past few years..."

He says ROSICKY has to answer to some of the criticism for DORTMUND'S performance.

Not for his own, FOR THE CLUB'S!!!

What others fought their asses off?? And we have to be talking about two seasons ago, because these past two seasons have been Rosicky's best since 2002.

Who are you talking about??

Dede? Yeah. Woerns? Yeah. Koller? Yeah. Kehl? Yeah.

Notice one thing about that list??

Except for Koller, THEY ARE ALL DEFENSIVE PLAYERS!!!

And Koller had more spectacular OPEN NET MISSES than anyone I've seen in football since Andy Cole!!!


Who else was around the entire time who "worked their asses off?" Tell me, who??!


Everyone talks stupid s#it about Rosicky, but the bottom line is that while the man could have really F&CKED the club by forcing them to sell him before he wanted to go, HE DID NOT!!!

He stayed and did what he could for the club!

You talk about he'd have a good game or two and then suck.

THAT WAS THE ENTIRE F&CKING TEAM!!! The entire f&cking team went though that cycle!

Tomas Rosicky is not, was not and never will be anyone's ENTIRE F&CKING TEAM!!!

And he wasn't the sole cause for problems at BVB. Like I said on the Amoroso thing, the problems with certain players was the result of a much bigger problem at Borussia that ultmately nearly destroyed the club!

Frings was another casualty of those problems. He didn't "soldier on" for BVB as Rosicky did, did he??

No, he cried and forced a deal to BayScum.


I think I'm one of the few who's seen this situation clearly. I don't just sit in front of a computer or a TV and complain. I know where to go and find answers and if I can't find them, I know who can. I even managed to find new information while in the USA.

Don't think the people on our list are my only sources of information.

Don't forget, once upon a time, I was in their little "media circle" too.......

Though I will say in the cases of "jonam" and KC, I don't know any much better.

Sit and complain all you like. I know I've done my research and I'll defend Tomas Rosicky as long as I believe it's necessary.

Like I advised the other guy, get these thoughts that BVB is a "perfect club" who can do no wrong out of your head. Mangement had more to do with the demise of this club than certain players did.

And in the case of Tomas Rosicky, you are really going after the wrong f&king dude.......

[footyfan1]

"HypoLuxa", I didn't want to respond to the whole message this last time because you cleared up a lot of things.

I would have, but as you see, my good buddy "HeyaBVB" managed to set me off again. I swear he does that like no other. :)

And no sarcasm here, I really wasn't talking about him when I said "Lazy Fans". I don't know why he assumed I was, especially when he was on the list back when I was urging them not to be "lazy" and to dig deeper for the truth of what was happening at BVB.

Anyhow, that's not important anymore.

I wish I had an answer to your Amedick question, but at this moment I don't. The last thing we did for the BVB English page was a small article on Weidenfeller's return that I don't think KC has posted yet.

I honestly don't think I'm getting up to Dortmund until the practice match with Spurs. I've got two kids to keep my eye on each weekend about one third of the way between me and Dortmund.

If someone else doesn't post on what level Amedick truly is on, I'll ask around.

[Hypo-Luxa]

Well Elmander has moved to France...Toulouse of all places...So with that are Dortmund linked with anyone else or are the moves for this summer over and done with? What else would Dortmund be looking for? Back-ups for striker and full back?

[footyfan1]

Well Elmander has moved to France...Toulouse of all places...So with that are Dortmund linked with anyone else or are the moves for this summer over and done with? What else would Dortmund be looking for? Back-ups for striker and full back?


BVB are done on the transfer market. All they are awaiting is the Tinga move.

We have more than enough back-up strikers. If anything, we may get rid of one of them.

I do wish we'd get a "real back-up" for Dede, but I'm sure one of the young guys will be groomed for that position.

BTW, as I said before, once we turned our attention to Frei, Elmander was never an issue for Dortmund. Putting Dortmund in those stories was just a way to get you to pay attention to them.

Dortmund had not been interested in Elmander for almost a year already.

BVB were never truly in that race. That was not anything worth paying attention to.

[footyfan1]

It looks like Bremen lost interest in Metzelder because they already have a deal with Per Mertesacker......



I deleted most of the article, but the headline says "A decision to transfer has been made" and then "Mertesacker Wants To Go To Bremen Immediately".

First paragraph says "German International Per Mertesacker wants to leave Bundesliga club Hannover 96 to play for Werder Bremen."

As I said, I deleted the rest.

I hope this pushes Metzelder back toward extending with us.


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Entscheidung für einen Wechsel ist gefallen

Mertesacker will sofort nach Bremen

Fußball-Nationalspieler Per Mertesacker will den Bundesligisten Hannover 96 verlassen und für Werder Bremen spielen.

[HeyaBVB]

Or bremen wants a National Team Defense ...

Metze and Merte

[footyfan1]

Or bremen wants a National Team Defense ...

Metze and Merte


That could be too........

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Hmmm....looks like Werder and Hamburg are at least gonna make Bayern sweat. :)