Official BVB Transfer Thread [R] Part III

[Coon]

keith- 3.5 million for tinga seems like A LOT!!! i think we could find someone better for that. maybe matias delgado from basel? i dont know about paying 3.5 million for some unknown player from brazil that is already 28. if he was any good we would already know about him. after refusing to pay a cent more than 4 million for frei... i think it is odd to just dish out 3.5 that easily, unless bvb knows something we dont. which i highly doubt.

yes that qwerty keyboard is incredible :)

[HeyaBVB]

From Alex Frei's official homepage:

Alle die unzähligen Fans auf unserer Website, die in den letzten Wochen und Tagen immer wieder nach dem Transferstand mit Dortmund nachgefragt haben, werden nun aufatmen können. Freuen wir uns mit Alex, dass sich Stade Rennais und der neue Verein von Alex die BVB Dortmund einigen konnten. Der Schweizer Stürmerstar unterzeichnete heute einen 4-Jahresvertrag. Viel Glück Alex.

alexfrei.ch Team

It says that all Website fans can be happy and take a breath. They are happy that BVB and Rennes could find a sollution and Alex signed a 4 Year contract today

[HeyaBVB]

yes that qwerty keyboard is incredible :)
qwertz keyboards rule :P

[The Old Lady Hertha]

keith- 3.5 million for tinga seems like A LOT!!! i think we could find someone better for that. maybe matias delgado from basel? i dont know about paying 3.5 million for some unknown player from brazil that is already 28. if he was any good we would already know about him. after refusing to pay a cent more than 4 million for frei... i think it is odd to just dish out 3.5 that easily, unless bvb knows something we dont. which i highly doubt.



Delgado has already moved to Besiktas in the Turkish Superligi.

[MetroChile]

Delgado has already moved to Besiktas in the Turkish Superligi.

Source link?
Metro

[The Old Lady Hertha]

http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/news/Kind=2/newsId=432883.html

[HeyaBVB]

Finally BVB confirmed the frei move ...

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Alexander Frei unterschreibt
Vier-Jahres-Vertrag beim BVB

[30.06.] Borussia Dortmund hat den Schweizer Nationalspieler Alexander Frei für die kommende Saison verpflichtet. Der 26-jährige Stürmer, seit 2002 beim französischen Erstligisten Stade Rennes und in der vorletzten Saison Torschützenkönig in Frankreich, unterschreibt beim BVB einen Vier-Jahres-Vertrag bis zum 30. Juni 2010.

"Wir sind froh, dass wir uns mit Stade Rennes einigen konnten, denn mit Alexander Frei nehmen wir nach Nelson Valdez einen weiteren torgefährlichen Spieler unter Vertrag", sagte Hans-Joachim Watzke, Vorsitzender der BVB-Geschäftsführung. Sportdirektor Michael Zorc, der die Verhandlungen mit Stade Rennes zum erfolgreichen Abschluss brachte, betonte: "Alex ist schon lange einer unserer Wunschspieler, von seinen Qualitäten sind wir absolut überzeugt."

Erleichtert über seinen Wechsel zum BVB zeigte sich auch Alexander Frei: "Ich wollte unbedingt zu Borussia, daran habe ich nie einen Zweifel gelassen. Ich will mit dem BVB Erfolg haben."

Der Schweizer, der vor seinem Wechsel nach Frankreich in seinem Heimatland u.a. für den FC Basel und Servette Genf aktiv war, spielte bei der Fußball-WM mit seiner Nationalmannschaft vor wenigen Tagen in Dortmund gegen Togo und erzielte das 1:0 (Endstand 2:0). "Bei diesem Match habe ich die einzigartige Atmosphäre dieses Stadions, das ja jetzt SIGNAL IDUNA PARK heißt, genießen dürfen. Ich freue mich riesig auf den BVB und die Fans", sagte Frei.

[footyfan1]

keith- 3.5 million for tinga seems like A LOT!!! i think we could find someone better for that. maybe matias delgado from basel? i dont know about paying 3.5 million for some unknown player from brazil that is already 28. if he was any good we would already know about him. after refusing to pay a cent more than 4 million for frei... i think it is odd to just dish out 3.5 that easily, unless bvb knows something we dont. which i highly doubt.


His age doesn't concern me as much as his being a largely "unknown" quantity. However, despite the Flavio Conceciao debacle, BVB's track record with Brazilians has been pretty darned good, so I think I can trust this management team on this guy.

Were this the last managment team, I'd be totally worried.

BTW, 3.5M is a rumored number. BVB might be paying more or less. We won't know unless the deal happens and they release the info.

[MetroChile]

Brazilian experiences that I remember us having the last few years:
Successes--Dede
Ewerthon
Julio Cesar (right?)
Evanilson (the first few seasons at least)

Failures--Thiago
and this one guy we had at one point whom we sold to a 2. Bundesliga team after a while.
Metro

[HeyaBVB]

Brazilian experiences that I remember us having the last few years:
Successes--Dede
Ewerthon
Julio Cesar (right?)
Evanilson (the first few seasons at least)

Failures--Thiago
and this one guy we had at one point whom we sold to a 2. Bundesliga team after a while.
Metro
I think Thiago was a flop cause Sammer wanted him then banned him to 2nd team ... we never knew if he was any good or bad

[MetroChile]

So, all things considered, and being objective about it...he was a flop. ;)
Metro

[footyfan1]

So, all things considered, and being objective about it...he was a flop. ;)
Metro


No, I can't agree with that. We never got to see what Tiago could do.

We never saw what a lot of young players could do back then because Sammer wouldn't play them.

Sammer was the WORST F&CKING TRAINER I ever saw when it came to teaching and nuturing young talent. If they weren't already "Bundesliga Ready", Sammer had no clue as to how to get them that way!

Let me put it this way, if Sammer had his way, we would have gotten rid of David Odonkor and Florian Kringe.

I think that's enough said right there.

As far as your list goes.......



Successes--Dede
Ewerthon
Julio Cesar (right?)
Evanilson (the first few seasons at least)



Failures--Thiago
and this one guy we had at one point whom we sold to a 2. Bundesliga team after a while.


I think Evanilson is only a "success" because he was an important part of the championship team. However, I think like some other players, he had all his "spirit" sapped by that a$$hole Sammer. If you can't tell already, I think Sammer ruined the best team we ever had and I blame our last management for allowing him to do it. If they had fired Sammer after 2003 like they should have, we'd be fine right now.

One player missing from that list is Amoroso. Despite the way things ended, I think Amoroso was an overall "success"? Why? Because without his goals we wouldn't have won the title.

His a$$hole actions against the club were provocated by Sammer in my opinion, but they were a$$hole actions against the club nonetheless. I'm just one of the few fans who can forgive him for those a$$hole actions becuase of what brought them on.

Still, on the field, he was a success. Even in his final partial season, he started with four goals in the first six or seven matches.

I think the guy you mentioned who was "sold to the 2 Liga" was Chiquinho. The problem is, I don't think he was "sold" to the 2. Liga.

As far as I remember, he never actually signed with us.

I believe he came in to sign and even took the team picture that same day, but never signed with us and wound up with Gladbach.

He went to the 2. Liga after that. I don't count him because as I said, I'm certain he never signed with us.

My list would look like this.


Successes

Julio Cesar
Dede
Evanilson
Amoroso
Ewerthon

Flop

Flavio Conceciao


Undetermined

Tiago




I think our biggest South American FLOP was the Argentine player Juan Ramon Fernandez. This is a guy many of us BEGGED BVB not to sign after getting a warning from the scout I mentioned earlier in this tread.

BTW, the scout did not say we should not sign Tinga, he just thinks, like we do, that 3.5M is a bit much.

[HeyaBVB]

No, I can't agree with that. We never got to see what Tiago could do.

We never saw what a lot of young players could do back then because Sammer wouldn't play them.

Sammer was the WORST F&CKING TRAINER I ever saw when it came to teaching and nuturing young talent. If they weren't already "Bundesliga Ready", Sammer had no clue as to how to get them that way!

Let me put it this way, if Sammer had his way, we would have gotten rid of David Odonkor and Florian Kringe.

I think that's enough said right there.

As far as your list goes.......



I think Evanilson is only a "success" because he was an important part of the championship team. However, I think like some other players, he had all his "spirit" sapped by that a$$hole Sammer. If you can't tell already, I think Sammer ruined the best team we ever had and I blame our last management for allowing him to do it. If they had fired Sammer after 2003 like they should have, we'd be fine right now.

One player missing from that list is Amoroso. Despite the way things ended, I think Amoroso was an overall "success"? Why? Because without his goals we wouldn't have won the title.

His a$$hole actions against the club were provocated by Sammer in my opinion, but they were a$$hole actions against the club nonetheless. I'm just one of the few fans who can forgive him for those a$$hole actions becuase of what brought them on.

Still, on the field, he was a success. Even in his final partial season, he started with four goals in the first six or seven matches.

I think the guy you mentioned who was "sold to the 2 Liga" was Chiquinho. The problem is, I don't think he was "sold" to the 2. Liga.

As far as I remember, he never actually signed with us.

I believe he came in to sign and even took the team picture that same day, but never signed with us and wound up with Gladbach.

He went to the 2. Liga after that. I don't count him because as I said, I'm certain he never signed with us.

My list would look like this.


Successes

Julio Cesar
Dede
Evanilson
Amoroso
Ewerthon

Flop

Flavio Conceciao


Undetermined

Tiago




I think our biggest South American FLOP was the Argentine player Juan Ramon Fernandez. This is a guy many of us BEGGED BVB not to sign after getting a warning from the scout I mentioned earlier in this tread.

BTW, the scout did not say we should not sign Tinga, he just thinks, like we do, that 3.5M is a bit much.

Screw the ********ing Traitor .... no one except you cares for Rotting Traiteroso

[MetroChile]

Well, what I am saying, and this you must take with a pinch of salt, is that if he was with the team at any point and never really did anything, (regardless of the reasons why they didn't play: asshole coach, asshole management, injuries, family/personal problems, simply sucked when he got his chance) he basically was a flop.
I will give you that Sammer may not have given him a chance, but hey, that's almost like if I said "if my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle."
Maybe Thiago would've wound up playing for Brazil in this WC had he gotten his chance, but he didn't.
I think most people here want facts, not speculation as to what could've happened.
(If I am not mistaken, he signed with the LA Galaxy last year...:o and only was there for half a season)
So, mate, he's basically a flop, unless he were to sign with Inter, Man U, Madrid or Barca and score 30 gls. or something along those lines in one year now.
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And no, I am not referring to Chiquinho.
There was another Brazilian that we had signed that spent most of his time with the 2nd team till he moved to a 2. Bundesliga team, and it was not Chiquinho.
I willl look him up, though.
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I knew I forgot someone important--Amoroso.
His goals fired us to winning the title, yet shit happened (including a pretty bad injury).
So he was a success and then became a flop.
Metro

[footyfan1]

Screw the ********ing Traitor .... no one except you cares for Rotting Traiteroso

That's why I said I'm one of the FEW. And I am not the only one. Not by a long shot. I know more than a couple of BVB fans who were/are willing to welcome Amoroso back with open arms.

I meet them at the stadium. If you ever took your ass there, maybe you'd meet them too.

There aren't many, but they are there.......

[HeyaBVB]

That's why I said I'm one of the FEW. And I am not the only one. Not by a long shot. I know more than a couple of BVB fans who were/are willing to welcome Amoroso back with open arms.

I meet them at the stadium. If you ever took your ass there, maybe you'd meet them too.

There aren't many, but they are there.......
Yeah there are allways misguided ..... more then your handful of fans care more for BVB than for your beloved amoroso and never forget what he has done for us ... what you never want to see .. because everything is Sammers fault (who I would hate to see in Dortmund again as much as traiteroso)

[MetroChile]

Well, let's take the Amoroso argument piece by piece.
1. He was the league top scorer as we won the league, so therefore he played more than a huge role in helping us to the title.
2. He became a scumbag afterward, I suppose.
I guess a lot of people wouldn't mind a top goal scorer in a Bundesliga-winning Dortmund team that would turn into a scumbag the season after.
Metro

[Hypo-Luxa]

Ahh Amoroso....the man Dortmunders all love to hate. But Metro and Keith are right. regardless of what happened afterwards, he fired us to a League title and therefore should not be completely condemned to the 8th Circle of Hell.

Whether Tinga comes to Dortmund or not, I think they have done quite a bit to get better and get back into legitimate competition for a spot in the Euro competitions. Pienaar, Frei, Amoah and Valdez will all get a full training camp to get in synch with the team. As much as I hated seeing Rosicky go, we could all see that his on again, off again attitude for the Czech's wasn't just a Dortmund thing. It will be interesting what BvM does with all of his parts...Metz, Worns Bzrenska filling two Central spots, Kringe, Sahin, Kehl all fighting for central midfield spots. Smolarek, Pienaar fighting for the attacking/creating role. Frei, Amoah, Valdez fighting for the striker role and the ever present battle of Gambino vs Buckley. I can't wait for the season to start, that's for sure.

[footyfan1]

Yeah there are allways misguided ..... more then your handful of fans care more for BVB than for your beloved amoroso and never forget what he has done for us ... what you never want to see .. because everything is Sammers fault (who I would hate to see in Dortmund again as much as traiteroso)


Look. I'm getting tired of you whining like a b!tch about this. This has been going on for years. I'm going to say this one last time and then I am ignoring your whiny ass.

You talk about what "I don't want to see'". Well, isn't that the pot calling the f*cking kettle black?

I am the ONLY ONE (of the two of us) who sees both sides of the f*cking story in this thing! Why? Because I wrote a f*cking story on it that I couldn't afford to be "one-sided" on.

I did my f*cking research on the story. All you do is bitch and whine like a f*cking baby who hasn't been fed for days because of the end result!

Some of us can look at more than one side of a story. None of us condone what Amoroso did, but understand why he did it.

But look at it this way. At least he left Germany altogether and didn't demand to join BayScum like the player Sammer favored to help destroy the best team we ever had.

All you look at is the end result of what Amoroso did. What Amoroso did was the result of a much larger problem that almost completely destroyed our club.

Main perpetrators were two people. Dr. Niebaum for the stupid management (Turns out he overruled everyone else on most of the stupid decisions, INCLUDING how much to pay for Amoroso) and Matthias Sammer for almost singlehandedly destroying any cohesion that team ever had. Believe me, it took some digging to get that information. I even had the management part wrong when I wrote the story. KC led me to the proper information.

I know who is responsible for what happened to BVB as a whole and while his actions played a part, it sure as hell wasn't Marcio Amoroso.

And for the record, if he gets the proper schooling in coaching he needs, I would also welcome back Matthias Sammer with open arms.

Sammer didn't mean to do what he did to the club, but he was arrogant enough to believe that it wasn't anything he was doing that disillusioned the players so much that most of them didn't want to play for him anymore. Like the club tried to "brainwash" us into believing, Sammer really thought it was all about the money problems. It had truly gotten to the point that most of the players at the club couldn't stand him and no longer wanted to play for him.

If Sammer doesn't get the coaching schooling he needs, I wouldn't welcome him back as a coach, but I would love to see him in club management sometime in the future. He does relate to players well, he just can't train them and relate to them at the same time.

As I told you once before, ADULTS know when to forgive an action and let a grudge go. Grudges are for children who don't know any better or fans with nothing better to do.

One point I do agree with you on in all this? Something we didn't mention here. Amoroso is a complete idiot for following his stupid f*cking agent's advice in this whole thing.

But it's over, it's done with and we will never agree. So can you please stop whining like a b!tch anytime the situation is mentioned? I did my homework on this situation and I'm done with your b!tching about it too.

I just choose not to hold a silly fan grudge. Don't b!tch and cry to me just because you and others choose to. I don't have time for that s#it. I care about whatever BVB can do to get back to the top and if one day that means bringing back Marcio Amoroso or Matthias Sammer, then it wouldn't bother me one f*cking bit........

Not one bit.

My advice to you?

F#cking get over it.

[footyfan1]

Ahh Amoroso....the man Dortmunders all love to hate. But Metro and Keith are right. regardless of what happened afterwards, he fired us to a League title and therefore should not be completely condemned to the 8th Circle of Hell.

Well, as I just said in my last angry, lengthy response, a friend of mine asked me to write a story Reuters could possibly use on it. Despite any loyalties, I put them aside when I have to write.

I do wish Amoroso had handled the situation better, but he also was stupid enough to follow what his agent told them and his agent thought big clubs would line up to buy Amoroso. When they didn't, they couldn't go back to Dortmund, so his career went in to the abyss.

Believe me, I am happy that Amoroso got his just comeuppance for what he did to BVB, but I understand why he did what he did.



Whether Tinga comes to Dortmund or not, I think they have done quite a bit to get better and get back into legitimate competition for a spot in the Euro competitions.

We've done a lot, but so has Leverkusen. I think the only team that finished ahead of us that we've "passed" so far is Hertha.

The thing is, we are as good as most of the teams in front of us, it is just that our guys are missing "killer instinct" and a "winner's mentality". That was more of a problem for us than our actual personnel.



Pienaar, Frei, Amoah and Valdez will all get a full training camp to get in synch with the team.

Not quite. Frei, Amoah and Valdez will get some extra time off because of the tourney. Unless they are like Kehl, who came in early voluntarily after Euro 2004. Camp started today and I haven't checked any news on it yet.




As much as I hated seeing Rosicky go, we could all see that his on again, off again attitude for the Czech's wasn't just a Dortmund thing.

In my opinion, Rosicky was Sammer's #1 "victim". After that s#it, Rosicky just wanted out of Dortmund. He never did give us his best for more than one or two matches after that.



It will be interesting what BvM does with all of his parts...Metz, Worns Bzrenska filling two Central spots, Kringe, Sahin, Kehl all fighting for central midfield spots.


I still don't know about CMetz. If he doesn't extend with us after the tourney, he may be sold. Don't forget our new guy Martin Amedick on defense. I don't know exactly where they plan to play him, but I thought he played centrally in Braunschweig.

Kringe and Kehl won't fight for any midfield spots. They are set. Kringe will only have to fight for one if we get Tinga.

I think the club are still content to bring Sahin along slowly. The kid still has a lot to learn. I like what they are doing with him so far.


Smolarek, Pienaar fighting for the attacking/creating role. Frei, Amoah, Valdez fighting for the striker role and the ever present battle of Gambino vs Buckley. I can't wait for the season to start, that's for sure.

Piennar will have to screw up big-time to not step into that playmaking position. And I think his major competiton for that position may not be Sahin, but Ricken.

There will be no battles at the striker position either. You can bet our three striker lineup will be Valdez, Frei and Odonkor. The major battle will be between Smolarek, Amoah and Buckley for that "position" of first guy off the bench or "joker". And again, Ricken might be the guy here too.

I think we can look for Buckley to be sold before the season starts if they can get anyone to give up some money for him.