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MetroChile
29 Apr 2007, 04:57 PM
How many goals does Klimowicz have this year?
Unless he came on a free transfer, I would think we stand more to lose, considering his age, price and current form.
Metro
footyfan1
29 Apr 2007, 05:28 PM
How many goals does Klimowicz have this year?
Unless he came on a free transfer, I would think we stand more to lose, considering his age, price and current form.
Metro
He's been injured a lot this sesaon. And what the hell does age have to do with anything? The guy can still play. We're not interested in him for the next ten years, we are interested in him for maybe the next TWO. Why do you guys seem to think every purchase has to be for the long term?
His current form is just fine. He just has nothing around him at Wolfsburg......
MetroChile
29 Apr 2007, 05:29 PM
He's been injured a lot this sesaon. And what the hell does age have to do with anything? The guy can still play. We're not interested in him for the next ten years, we are interested in him for maybe the next TWO. Why do you guys seem to think every purchase has to be for the long term?
His current form is just fine. He just has nothing around him at Wolfsburg......
As you may think it's a good purchase, I think it won't be.
Metro
footyfan1
29 Apr 2007, 05:38 PM
As you may think it's a good purchase, I think it won't be.
Metro
For the purpose of having a taller striker on the roster who can actually score in the Bundesliga, I don't see how we can go wrong.
They are trying to get height with experience. Something they should have done last summer.
This guy wouldn't be coming to be another Frei. He would be coming in to fill a void on the roster and play alongside Frei.
The only way this can be a bad purchase is if they are stupid enough to pay too much.
Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, but I also don't believe you are seeing the big picture here.
MetroChile
29 Apr 2007, 05:42 PM
For the purpose of having a taller striker one the roster who can actually score in the Bundesliga, I don't see how we can go wrong.
They are trying to get height with experience. Something they should have done last summer.
This guy wouldn't be coming to be another Frei. He would be coming in to fill a void on the roster and play alongside Frei.
The only way this can be a bad purchase is if they are stupid enough to pay too much.
Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, but I also don't believe you are seeing the big picture here.
I am. ;)
His stats include 5 gls./4 assts. this season for a team that has generally been on the lower half of the table.
http://www.kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/spielersteckbrief/object/27607/saison/2006-07
I would add his age as another negative factor. I don't recall whether he was injured or not, but if he was then that would def. another "negative".
If we pay more than 1 mill. Euros for him, then I would think it's still more of a bad decision than good.
Nobody has a crystall ball to determine whether he would be an excellent signing or not (or at least a "good" one), but facts point to more of a loss. :o
Metro
footyfan1
29 Apr 2007, 05:48 PM
I am. ;)
His stats include 5 gls./4 assts. this season for a team that has generally been on the lower half of the table.
http://www.kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/spielersteckbrief/object/27607/saison/2006-07
I would add his age as another negative factor. I don't recall whether he was injured or not, but if he was then that would def. another "negative".
If we pay more than 1 mill. Euros for him, then I would think it's still more of a bad decision than good.
Nobody has a crystall ball to determine whether he would be an excellent signing or not (or at least a "good" one), but facts point to more of a loss. :o
Metro
The only "negative factors" I have seen in Klimowicz' play this season is that he has been injured (Show me a striker who doensn't get injured) and that he is stuck on a suckass team. You can't tell me that since he doesn't have "big numbers" this season for sorry ass Wolfsburg, that he can't be the right guy for us.
When we hired Thomas Doll all "facts" pointed to things staying the same or getting worse. Things got better.
In this game, it depends how players fit into a certain situation. The "facts" I see point to the role he would play in Dortmund being a better fit for him than the situation he's in now.
But you had it right. None of us can know......
MetroChile
29 Apr 2007, 05:52 PM
The only "negative factors" I have seen in Klimowicz' play this season is that he has been injured (Show me a striker who doensn't get injured) and that he is stuck on a suckass team. You can't tell me that since he doesn't have "big numbers" this season for sorry ass Wolfsburg, that he can't be the right guy for us.
If you by the injury thing, then we might as well sign anyone. :p
And I was connecting the injury factor to his age, more than the injury alone. If he was 25 yrs. old and got hurt, that's one thing, but Klimowicz is not.
If he hasn't been able to score goals for a bad/incosistent team like Wolfsburg, what makes you think he would do for us?
Metro
footyfan1
29 Apr 2007, 06:00 PM
If you by the injury thing, then we might as well sign anyone. :p
If he hasn't been able to score goals for a bad/incosistent team like Wolfsburg, what makes you think he would do for us?
Metro
Because he would again have a striker next to him worthy of opponents defensive attention.
Last season, he had that when Hanke was actually scoring some goals and he put up 12 goals in 26 matches. But I guess that doesn't count, right?
BTW, I don't expect us to be bad or inconsistent next season. This guy will fit right in.
I would ask you to trust me, but I guess the fact that I see them every week doesn't matter either.....
Here's something for you. Since you're so sure Klimowicz is not the one to help us, who is? Who is the one the club can get to play this role who we can actually get that would be better than Klimowicz?
Tell me that.
MetroChile
29 Apr 2007, 06:10 PM
Because he would again have a striker next to him worthy of opponents defensive attention.
Last season, he had that when Hanke was actually scoring some goals and he put up 12 goals in 26 matches. But I guess that doesn't count, right?
BTW, I don't expect us to be bad or inconsistent next season. This guy will fit right in.
I would ask you to trust me, but I guess the fact that I see them every week doesn't matter either.....
Here's something for you. Since you're so sure Klimowicz is not the one to help us, who is? Who is the one the club can get to play this role who we can actually get that would be better than Klimowicz?
Tell me that.
Relax, mate.
I don't know where these comments are coming from (in the bold). I never questioned your knowledge/credibility on Dortmund.
So when he scored 12 gls. last year, did you know he was only going to score 5 this year?
He could score 12 again, or 5 again, or none (like Haedo-Valdez). Who knows? His form next year could be more related to his form this year. Hence, my argument (injury + age + price + current form).
At any rate, our opinions differ, and it wouldn't be the 1st time. I just see no need for the sarcasm, though.
Finally, I don't really have a dislike for the guy. If he can help us...great. I just go by what has happened this year, and that does not show much promise. You (for the most part) went by your personal preference--"I don't see us being inconsistent next year" (plus his stats from last season).
For the record, I too watch Dortmund practically weekend.
Metro
BMike86
29 Apr 2007, 09:31 PM
i smell a little pessimism here :rolleyes:
MetroChile
29 Apr 2007, 10:41 PM
i smell a little pessimism here :rolleyes:
Not from me. I just don't think footyfan's personal preferences can give us a glimpse of how we'll finish next season or how well our signings will do (no disrespect to footyfan as he's a key source to a lot of Dortmund info). Realistically, the facts/figures do not point to a "hit" in terms of a succesful transfer (in regards to Klimowicz).
Metro
BMike86
29 Apr 2007, 10:57 PM
Not from me. I just don't think footyfan's personal preferences can give us a glimpse of how we'll finish next season or how well our signings will do (no disrespect to footyfan as he's a key source to a lot of Dortmund info). Realistically, the facts/figures do not point to a "hit" in terms of a succesful transfer (in regards to Klimowicz).
Metro
he's just saying that he will be a good addition to the club next year. he doesn't expect him to be the star striker or whatever you think he is saying. Frei is the man, and if Klimowicz comes he feels he will be at the least a bit better than what he has been with Wolfsburg. Dortmund will have a better club than Wolfsburg next year, and he will be surrounded by better players which should likely make him better, yes i understand that is a SHOULD. injury has plagued him this past year, and yes he is older. but i think the point trying to be made was a big guy needed to be brought in to replace the departing Koller last year, but it never happened. i think this will be a good move because the past couple years we have seen players compete and play with the best of them into their mid 30's...so Klimowicz may fail, but he is atleast worth a shot. look at what Valdez has done, its not like Klimowicz can be much worse.
footyfan1
30 Apr 2007, 10:05 AM
Relax, mate.
I don't know where these comments are coming from (in the bold). I never questioned your knowledge/credibility on Dortmund.
So when he scored 12 gls. last year, did you know he was only going to score 5 this year?
No. Didn't see him and Hanke both being injured much of the season.
He could score 12 again, or 5 again, or none (like Haedo-Valdez). Who knows? His form next year could be more related to his form this year. Hence, my argument (injury + age + price + current form).
That argument doesn't hold water with me. Show me any striker who doesn't get injured. The man can still play and play pretty well for his age, the price is where we agree, his form is just fine. All you're doing is looking at the final numbers and not the cause of them.
At any rate, our opinions differ, and it wouldn't be the 1st time. I just see no need for the sarcasm, though.
Finally, I don't really have a dislike for the guy. If he can help us...great. I just go by what has happened this year, and that does not show much promise. You (for the most part) went by your personal preference--"I don't see us being inconsistent next year" (plus his stats from last season).
For the record, I too watch Dortmund practically weekend.
Metro
First, I got sarcastic because I get a bit ticked when I think someone isn't trying to see the big picture in a debate. My apologies. That was not right from me. However, I think you are ignoring the fact that the team is looking for a "tall" striker who has scored goals in the league before to improve our attack up front. One of the HUGE problems we have is that outside of Frei, our "strike force" is made of of a bunch of freakin' midgets. I asked you to come up with a better idea if Klimowicz isn't the right guy in your mind.
Come up with a better "tall" striker who has scored goals in the league before who is available at a decent price.
Don't just come with negativity. If he isn't the guy, tell us who would be better.
Dude, if management were so far off here, I'd be the first one to call them dumbasses and idiots. Lord knows I love to do it. However, this is one of the moves many of us feel could have prevented THIS SEASON from happening the way it did.......
Second, I NEVER post an opinion on a player based on my own personal preference. When I post about players here, I try to think as I did in my reporting days. My argument is that the way our lineup is shaping up for next season, we will be better suited to exploit Klimowicz' abilities than with the crap (Except Marcelinho of course! :D) he is currently surrounded by in Wolfsburg.
If you think that because I said I don't think we will be this inconsistent that I am just thinking as a hopeful fan, let me tell you that you are dead wrong my friend. Doll has these guys playing as a team again. Sure, we have a couple of holes to fill and one would be filled well by Klimowicz' talents in my opinion. Another would be to get a true #10 (playmaker) and another would be to get a real backup for Dede. I think Bielefeld's Tobias Rau would fit here, and he's available on a free.
Lastly, on watching them every week? I was talking about Wolfsburg, not Dortmund.
BSchweini
30 Apr 2007, 10:36 AM
Just heard that 1.FCN was also interested in signing him.
"Wir hatten keine Chance. Für einen wie ihn sind wir noch nicht schön genug", sagte Club-Manager Martin Bader
Is he maybe waiting to sign w/ BVB after their match with Wolfsbug next week? Most likely its because BVB are offering him more money, considering he would be playing Uefa cup next year with Nurnberg.
Man, I feel that Nurnberg made a really smart move by signing Misimovic from Bochum. They will have another good run next year. I wouldn't have complained had BVB signed him. Plus, he could fill the attacking mid role like he does in his national team. It would also give us a left footed free kick taker next to FREI. Oh well, just a little bitter thats all. Happy for CLUB though.
footyfan1
30 Apr 2007, 11:16 AM
Just heard that 1.FCN was also interested in signing him.
"Wir hatten keine Chance. Für einen wie ihn sind wir noch nicht schön genug", sagte Club-Manager Martin Bader
Is he maybe waiting to sign w/ BVB after their match with Wolfsbug next week? Most likely its because BVB are offering him more money, considering he would be playing Uefa cup next year with Nurnberg.
Here is the one point where MetroChile and I agree. The one thing that I am worried about is that we'll pay too much for him. I can't lie. I wanted us to buy Nelson Valdez, but not for what Watzke paid for him.
I don't know if BVB truly has a deal with Klimowicz already or not. Perhaps he feels, as I do, that BVB is a better fit for his abilities. He would actually be the "true" replacement for Koller and with Frei playing next to him, he should get more freedom than he has had this season with no one of consequence playing next to him in Wolfsburg this season.
Man, I feel that Nurnberg made a really smart move by signing Misimovic from Bochum. They will have another good run next year. I wouldn't have complained had BVB signed him. Plus, he could fill the attacking mid role like he does in his national team. It would also give us a left footed free kick taker next to FREI. Oh well, just a little bitter thats all. Happy for CLUB though.
I called for BVB to ask Bochum to buy Misimovic for the rest of this season well before the winter transfer window opened. And if Bochum refused, to sign him to a pre-contract for next season. Guys on our e-mail list came with the same old s#it they always do. "He isn't good enough for BVB!" I think that is bullshit, but I fear that is how the management thinks too. Fortunately for those of us who dig BVB & FCN, Martin Bader is not stupid like our guys in Dortmund.
This guy has built a Bundesliga top five team by realizing that players are more than their names, ages, and last season's statistics. They had a plan and built a top five caliber team with guys who were not "good enough" for other clubs such as Leverkusen, Berlin and yes, BVB, all clubs with "bigger names" who are looking up at FCN right now.
Another thing I repeat constantly is that not only BVB fans, but BVB management needs to get their noses out of the air and realize that we need to build from the ground up again. They are building, but they are still limiting themselves to players with "names" (Pienaar) or expected to become "names" (Kuba), players who still want say they've played for BVB (local boys like Federico & Amedick) and players found by either a coach (Smolarek & Amoah) or another player (Tinga by Dede).
As a matter of fact, a guy on the e-mail list and I have a bet. He thinks Misimovic won't be in FCN's starting lineup next season. I said he would be unless they get their hands on Marcelinho, who rumors say is already unhappy with his situation in Wolfsburg as Frei is with ours in Dortmund.
Hmmmmm........ :o
footyfan1
30 Apr 2007, 11:19 AM
he's just saying that he will be a good addition to the club next year. he doesn't expect him to be the star striker or whatever you think he is saying. Frei is the man, and if Klimowicz comes he feels he will be at the least a bit better than what he has been with Wolfsburg. Dortmund will have a better club than Wolfsburg next year, and he will be surrounded by better players which should likely make him better, yes i understand that is a SHOULD. injury has plagued him this past year, and yes he is older. but i think the point trying to be made was a big guy needed to be brought in to replace the departing Koller last year, but it never happened. i think this will be a good move because the past couple years we have seen players compete and play with the best of them into their mid 30's...so Klimowicz may fail, but he is atleast worth a shot. look at what Valdez has done, its not like Klimowicz can be much worse.
Exactly. And Metro and I even share the one major concern with me. That the club will pay too much for him.....
BSchweini
30 Apr 2007, 01:37 PM
Not only do I think Misimovic will be in the starting lineup for FCN, I think he will be one of their most important players. He will not be in a relegation battle which will further enable him to play his game, and not worry about the survival of the club.
I rank him in the top 25 technically gifted players in the whole league. I personallly even think Bayern made a huge mistake by letting him go from their amateur team. Who knows, I have a feeling tey will be wanting him back from Club within the next few years.
footyfan1
01 May 2007, 10:27 AM
There was speculation that BVB and Wolfsburg officials would talk about the possible Klimowicz transfer to BVB while BVB are in Wolfsburg for the match this weekend.
However, at westline.de, Wolfsburg's manager Fuchs said there would be no talks on the situation this week.
MetroChile
01 May 2007, 10:28 AM
Hey, it seems like you got a lot of good info going on in that e-mail list. How would I go about signing up? :o
Metro
footyfan1
02 May 2007, 06:13 AM
Hey, it seems like you got a lot of good info going on in that e-mail list. How would I go about signing up? :o
Metro
It's not much more than I post here, but if you'd like to help pick up the discussion, you are more than welcomed to join us.
We are at Yahoogroups under the name "borussia-dortmund"