Official BVB Transfer Thread [R] Part III

[footyfan1]

Worns has agreed a one year extention, with an option for a further year.


Ah shit! Forgot to post that here! Thanks!!! :D

[squidward123]

so if woerns is staying then metzelder might go then?

[Gunning4Chelsea]

If he's sold, I think he would leave just from the sheer embarrassment of being bought for 4.5M Euros and being a complete bust.

But, I don't think he will be sold.

Number one, BVB probably would not be able to recoup half of what they paid for Valdez' sorry ass.

Number two, I don't think Watzke is the kind of guy to give up on an investment HE was so much behind.......

Number three, even if he never grows into a starting role, he has already proven that he can score goals in this league off the bench.
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if Valdez were to get transferred...it's not going to happen until January transfer window in 2008.....they are going to give him some time

but as for Sneijder - I dont think the fee is going to be more than EUR 4-5 mil -his value has gone down tremendously after a poor WC showing - and he hasnt resurrected it with his play in Eredivise this past season - nevertheless, his pricetag might be steep for BVB unless Watzke makes some surprising moves....unloading Degen, and Valdez, and Amoah for some ungodly prices....
or (worst case scenario) Metzelder gets shipped out and we use that money for tranfer signings
(Jacob Blasczykowski signing is inevitable at 2.75 mil)
some possibilities.....but i am not expecting any miracles here

[footyfan1]

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if Valdez were to get transferred...it's not going to happen until January transfer window in 2008.....they are going to give him some time

They have to. If they don't, they look like complete idiots. They shouldn't be embarrassed. They weren't the only ones who were fooled. They were just the only ones willing to pay that much for him.


but as for Sneijder - I dont think the fee is going to be more than EUR 4-5 mil -his value has gone down tremendously after a poor WC showing - and he hasnt resurrected it with his play in Eredivise this past season - nevertheless, his pricetag might be steep for BVB unless Watzke makes some surprising moves....unloading Degen, and Valdez, and Amoah for some ungodly prices....

Don't know what you're hearing dude, but if they were to sell Sneijder right now, he'd go for between 8-12M Euros easily. And that's at the LEAST.

And again, some of the biggest clubs in Europe will line up to buy this kid. Why would he choose to give up millions in potential salary and UEFA bonuses to join a "once great" club who seems to be stuck in purgatory??

Why would he do that??? Sneijder joining BVB would make zero sense.

And look at what else you're saying. WHO would pay "steep" prices for guys like Valdez, Degen and Amoah who are proving more and more every week that they are crap?

I know you're just speculating and hoping, but let's keep this a little real. :o



or (worst case scenario) Metzelder gets shipped out and we use that money for tranfer signings

We can't sell Metzelder. His contract is up after the season. If he doesn't extend, he's leaving on a free transfer. No way around that.


(Jacob Blasczykowski signing is inevitable at 2.75 mil) some possibilities.....but i am not expecting any miracles here

I won't say anything about Kuba until he arrives and plays. I don't know enough about him to judge. I'm just disappointed we didn't go out and get a central midfielder first, but if Kuba can help the attack, I'll be a bit more forgiving of management.

Right now? I think they, especially Michael Zorc, are a bunch of idiots who know next to nothing about the flow of the game today.

[AMK3]

so if woerns is staying then metzelder might go then?

To be honest i think it would be in there best intrest to keep Metzelder, because Worns isn't getting any younger and faster, and Metze is getting into his prime as a defender, as well as being one of the best around.

[footyfan1]

so if woerns is staying then metzelder might go then?

The two situations have absolutely nothing to do with one another. Woerns knows he can be replaced at any time.

[footyfan1]

To be honest i think it would be in there best intrest to keep Metzelder, because Worns isn't getting any younger and faster, and Metze is getting into his prime as a defender, as well as being one of the best around.


BVB have made Metzelder an offer and supposedly want an answer sometime in March.

As I have said before, I'm skeptical about what kind of offer BVB made Metzelder because I really believe that Managing Director Hans-Joachim Watzke has his own agenda for the team and I don't think CMetz (As I like to call him) is part of that plan.

I think Watzke wants to let CMetz walk and sign Bielefeld's Heiko Westermann, who also has interest from Schalke and Leverkusen too.

Before the season, I was all for this as I thought Metzelder was injured far too much and Westermann had a lot of upside.

I don't feel that way anymore. I think BVB NEEDS to keep CMetz.


Some things have changed my mind. Here they are:

1) Metzelder's play since he's been fit again. He's been easily one of the two best players on the team along with Frei.


2) Metzelder's budding leadership qualities. In the absence of Woerns and Kehl (The "reigning" captain and co-captain) he's really stepped up and tried to right a sinking ship. He's really impressed me.


3) The emergence of Martin Amedick: Amedick has proved to be one of the best young central defenders in the BL and he's still learning. Has the potential to be another CMetz, but he reminds me more of a speedier Mertesacker.


4) Watching Westermann more: The more I watch him, the more I feel he's no better than Amedick. I also feel if we get Westermann, even if CMetz leaves, with Woerns also returning, I don't think Westermann can actually win a starting spot. I'm almost certain if CMetz leaves, our best two center backs next season would be Amedick and Worns even if we were to sign Westermann. I really don't want him now if it is going to cost us CMetz.


5) Markus Brzenska: Why am I mentioning him when I think he's the shittiest playing defender on our roster? Because I also think some of his deficiencies can be corrected if we get someone like Juergen Kohler to work with him at training camp before the start of next season. Sure, I believe Brzenska sucks rotten ass right now, but he does have some of the tools needed to be a good central defender in the Bundesliga. With some work, we could see more of the Brzenska we saw when BvM first gave him a shot.

For these reasons, I think we do more to get CMetz to stay and we should leave Heiko Westermann right where he is or let him go to Schiesse. I think we already have a defender on the roster as good as Westermann is even if CMetz chooses to leave. Amedick. We have Worns for another year and we can work on Brzenska.

I'm also wondering what happened with another young, up-and-coming defender we have named Uwe Hünemeier. The couple of times I've seen him, I've thought he was actually better than Brzenska.......

Bottom line??


KEEP CMETZ IN DORTMUND!!!! ;)

[footyfan1]

Latest on the "Kuba" transfer. Taken from a blurb posted to our BVB e-mail list. Translated by yours truly! :D



On Thursday, a delegation from Polish First Division club Wisla Krakow is travelling to Dortmund to meet with Director of Sport Michael Zorc and Managing Director Hans-Joachim Watzke to finalize the transfer of midfield "diamond in the rough" Jakub Blaszczykowski (21, 13 matches this season, 2 goals, 2 assists). Quoting information from "Westline", the two side have just about agreed on a transfer fee around the three million Euro mark. His BVB contract would be valid until at least 2011.

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Donnerstag reist eine Delegation des polnischen Erstligisten Wisla Krakau nach Dortmund, um mit Sportdirektor Michael Zorc und KGaA-Geschäftsführer Hans-Joachim Watzke den Transfer von Mittelfeld-Rohdiamant Jakub Blaszczykowski (21, 13 Saisonspiele, 2 Tore, 2 Vorlagen) perfekt zu machen. Nach Informationen von westline sind sich beide Seiten nunmehr fast einig, die Ablösesumme für den polnischen Nationalspieler (Spitzname: Kuba) liegt demnach knapp unterhalb der Drei-Millionen-Marke, sein Vertrag beim BVB wird mindestens bis 2011 datiert sein.

[Gunning4Chelsea]

They have to. If they don't, they look like complete idiots. They shouldn't be embarrassed. They weren't the only ones who were fooled. They were just the only ones willing to pay that much for him.




Don't know what you're hearing dude, but if they were to sell Sneijder right now, he'd go for between 8-12M Euros easily. And that's at the LEAST.

And again, some of the biggest clubs in Europe will line up to buy this kid. Why would he choose to give up millions in potential salary and UEFA bonuses to join a "once great" club who seems to be stuck in purgatory??

Why would he do that??? Sneijder joining BVB would make zero sense.

And look at what else you're saying. WHO would pay "steep" prices for guys like Valdez, Degen and Amoah who are proving more and more every week that they are crap?

I know you're just speculating and hoping, but let's keep this a little real. :o





We can't sell Metzelder. His contract is up after the season. If he doesn't extend, he's leaving on a free transfer. No way around that.




I won't say anything about Kuba until he arrives and plays. I don't know enough about him to judge. I'm just disappointed we didn't go out and get a central midfielder first, but if Kuba can help the attack, I'll be a bit more forgiving of management.

Right now? I think they, especially Michael Zorc, are a bunch of idiots who know next to nothing about the flow of the game today.

same thing was said about Van Der Vaart.....he turned down Barca, Real to go to HSV

I think you are right that I underestimated Sneijder's fee - but i dont think Ajax is going to get more than 10 Mil....after 05-06 season maybe...but not now...

[footyfan1]

same thing was said about Van Der Vaart.....he turned down Barca, Real to go to HSV

Don't forget that van der Vaart was one of the major final pieces of their puzzle and they got into the CL with him and de Jong, who I hear vdV talked into going to Hamburg. de Jong was on the verge of signing with........

BVB

Plus, HSV could afford to make up a lot of the money vdV lost by not going to Barca. As far as I remember, Real weren't truly in for him.

Dude, HSV were a club on the verge. We are not. Being on the verge of UEFA competition and loads of money is what got vdV to Hamburg.

Our sporting perspective is not that good at the moment and we can't pay that kind of money.






I think you are right that I underestimated Sneijder's fee - but i dont think Ajax is going to get more than 10 Mil....after 05-06 season maybe...but not now...

Depends on who else is available and who's interested. Don't forget, quite a few of the mid-table English clubs can pay 10M Euros EASILY and are prepared to pay 12-15 for talents such as Sneijder.........

That's a huge investment for any German club except Bayern.

For most of the English clubs and most of the big and semi-big Italian and Spanish clubs, that is not the case.

[Gunning4Chelsea]

http://kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/361918/

after 5 months of scouting and courting the player - it's official Jakub Blasczykowski - will join BVB in the summer for 2.8 mil
as perhaps - I am one of the few that i have seen this kid in action and i am excited....he should be a boost to our stagnant offense...

[footyfan1]

http://kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/361918/

after 5 months of scouting and courting the player - it's official Jakub Blasczykowski - will join BVB in the summer for 2.8 mil
as perhaps - I am one of the few that i have seen this kid in action and i am excited....he should be a boost to our stagnant offense...



Yep. I'm about to translate the article for the official website. It's been on the German page for a bit already.

I'm trusting you guys here. Even more than BVB management because I really don't trust their word anymore.

Like I said, no judgement from me until I actually see him in action.

But I did just say on the e-mail list that I hope he doesn't have me screaming next season, "But we could have had Milchraum for free!!" LOL!! :D

I REALLY hope the kid is what you guys say he is.

[mofo4life]

Is he the polish Dos Santos?;) :D

[footyfan1]

Is he the polish Dos Santos?;) :D


Dude, for us, even THAT would be an improvement!! LOL!! :D

[footyfan1]

We had speculation posted to the list today that some in Berlin think Basturk has not signed with Hertha because he's moving to BVB.

Nothing from BVB on this of course. Pure speculation. But they basically made the same argument I've made for months about why BVB should be after Basturk.


Berliner Zeitung Basturk-BVB Article - In German (http://www.bz-berlin.de/aktuell/sport/hertha/070222/bast.html)

[BMike86]

http://kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/361918/

after 5 months of scouting and courting the player - it's official Jakub Blasczykowski - will join BVB in the summer for 2.8 mil
as perhaps - I am one of the few that i have seen this kid in action and i am excited....he should be a boost to our stagnant offense...

i've seen him in action...been trying to tell footyfan about him :rolleyes:

[BMike86]

Is he the polish Dos Santos?;) :D

Jakub wipes his arse with Dos Santos

Jakub is a different type of player than Dos Santos first off...Jakub is a fast winger whereas Dos Santos is a central mid, two different positions, and they have different physical characteristics as well

[footyfan1]

Jakub wipes his arse with Dos Santos

Jakub is a different type of player than Dos Santos first off...Jakub is a fast winger whereas Dos Santos is a central mid, two different positions, and they have different physical characteristics as well


Dude, I want to know more about the kid, but I'm not looking for over-excited fan rhetoric.

I want educated, impartial comments on the kid.

I'm not saying you can't post your excited comment here. On the contrary, please do.

I just won't pay much attention to them.

[Hendrik]

same thing was said about Van Der Vaart.....he turned down Barca, Real to go to HSV

You can't really compare these two. Van der Vaart lost his starting spot and because of all his injuries it came to the point that Ajax wanted to get rid of him. That's the reason for the low transfer fee of around €5M. I doubt any major club was interested in Rafa.

Sneijder is probably their best overall player and also consistent and not injury prone. I read a few days ago he's valued at around €12M in Holland which is still a reasonable price. The "problem" is he's ready to move to England, Spain or Italy. Milan and Barca are after him, I doubt he'd have much trouble breaking into their starting lineups.

[BMike86]

Dude, I want to know more about the kid, but I'm not looking for over-excited fan rhetoric.

I want educated, impartial comments on the kid.

I'm not saying you can't post your excited comment here. On the contrary, please do.

I just won't pay much attention to them.

i was responding to his focking comment about comparing Dos Santos and Jakub...sorry