Official BVB Transfer Thread [R] Part III

[BMike86]

He's definitely a right wing player...he has a pretty fast pace and a quick step, he is a good dribbler that can split or get around defenders, and a very accurate passer/distibutor of the ball, he has a strong shot but in my opinion he can work a little bit more on his finishing...BUT he is 21 years old and can work on that, and i think he is already a better finisher than Smolarek is/was.

here is a little compilation of Jakub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eANY0FF0Q4U

here is a little clip of him in the Uefa Cup this season splitting the defenders and giving a good touch for a through ball to Brozek who scored
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCZ5reP9dKM

[footyfan1]

i think sliding into the relegation is a little of a stretch...but then again we will have to see how the next few weeks goes

We're only seven points clear of the first relegation spot and this team has shown no signs of life since the second half of that Bayern match.

They allowed themselves to be outworked in Mainz and out smarted against Stuttgart.



i definitely understand where you stand with your reluctancy to accept something, considering several players that have been brought in, in the past have turned out to be major disappointments for you...so for you to doubt Jakub it will be understandable, but just because Smolarek sucked for you guys doesn't mean Jakub will

This has nothing to do with any thoughts of Smolarek. Besides, Smolarek has gotten himself largely back on track.

It is what I said it was. BVB has a way of over-hyping our young players and new signings. Not to mention how much fans of those players can do the same thing.

Forgive me. Like I said, it's nothing against the kid or you guys, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Ask KUBI_nu11. We did the same thing last season with Frei and Frei has been our best player so far this season.


and i'm not surprised that Wisla is playing the high ball, low ball game because they always try this because we know we can not afford our best players in the end...because almost all other leagues have more money than us :( but its a fact that i've already so its no surprise

It's business. They have to do it. What kind of club would they be if they didn't???



ALSO, even thought Dortmund are willing to buy for 2.5 million, and Wisla are willing to sell for 3.5 or 4...at the end of the day Wisla could easily sell him for 2.5 or 3 million, i'm not saying expect a deal, but don't be surprised if you guys get what u want for your price...

BVB have been confident of getting this deal done for quite awhile.




i hope Wisla does sell him to Dortmund because then I could watch him on a regular basis next year if he turns out to be something for u guys.

I'm pretty sure he'd start on the left wing or in the center. BVB are more than likely to try to make a # 10 out of him.



..in addition Dortmund seems to have the potential to battle for a top 5 spot every year, its just they seem to underperform and fall apart...so maybe next year is the year you guys actually start getting things done and have some success :rolleyes:


Uh, no. Most of the times it is that we don't have the depth to make it into the top five. Our starting eleven always looks great on paper. But if someone gets injured, look at the bench. NOTHING, ZIP, NADA!!!

Then we have the players who despite their little reputation are actually CRAP. This season, these players would be named Degen and Valdez.

Oh, I could just go on and on, but the bottom line is that while BVB management built a decent starting 11 "on paper", they did absolutely nothing to:

1) Strengthen the bench in case of injuries.

2) Get players who can actually do the things we need at PROBLEM POSITIONS like central (creative) midfield and right back.



because then Dortmund gets to play international football again and he gets to play in europe...im not saying he will take you guys to success, but you guys have the pieces already, he can help contribute

I only hope he can just give us the spark we lost on offense when we sold Odonkor.

As far as I am concerned, anything more than that is gravy.



me personally, i'd much rather him play for Dortmund than a club willing to pay for his services in Turkey, or some Italian club (i hate focking Serie A), or some of the other places he has been connected with

I'm pretty sure he's going to be a BVB player.

And I hope he's as good as you say he is.

But again, please forgive my skepticism. It has nothing to do with you, Wisla or him.

It's just that we've been fed so much crap lately from BVB about the ability of young players and new signings that I just want to wait to see for myself.

[BMike86]

one thing that you may have known about out there is that Dortmund and Jakub have been in negotiations for a while.

my roommate from university, Piotr, he is from Poland and Jakub is a friend of his family. well over winter break my roommate Piotr went home to Poland. and well initially both families (his and Jakub's) were goin to go out (first week of Janauary) and drink some beers, but it came out Jakub never made it back that day from Dortmund! so it was both families minus Jakub. i didn't think anything of it when Piotr first told me the story, i just thought it was some trip or whatever other reason. i didn't put the pieces together until now when i read the stories in the news that he may actually suit up for Dortmund comes summer time

[footyfan1]

one thing that you may have known about out there is that Dortmund and Jakub have been in negotiations for a while.

I don't remember exactly when the rumors started, but they've been going around for quite awhile.

It's just that BVB are so secretive about anything connected with transfers there was not continous coverage.



my roommate from university, Piotr, he is from Poland and Jakub is a friend of his family. well over winter break my roommate Piotr went home to Poland. and well initially both families (his and Jakub's) were goin to go out (first week of Janauary) and drink some beers, but it came out Jakub never made it back that day from Dortmund! so it was both families minus Jakub. i didn't think anything of it when Piotr first told me the story, i just thought it was some trip or whatever other reason. i didn't put the pieces together until now when i read the stories in the news that he may actually suit up for Dortmund comes summer time

Didn't know he was in Dortmund over the break. I'm sure "jonam" and those guys knew, but personally, I had other more pressing issues (i.e. I damn near died) during that time to follow it myself.

But yes, as I said before, it looks like he'll be a BVB player come next season......

[footyfan1]

Today, it was reported that BVB will have about 8M Euros to spend on player transfers after the season.

They also reported that Watzke says we need to get two defenders, two midfielders and a tall striker.

Of course, I disagree with them a bit. I also don't think we need to spend 8M when a lot of what we need is available right within the Bundesliga on free transfers!!!

I think we only need two defenders in these cases:

1) We lose Metzelder and Woerns decides to retire instead of playing one more season. In this case, I think we only need one defender then, which will probably be Heiko Westermann. Unless they finally get a real backup for Dede.

2) We keep Metzelder, Woerns stays, but we get rid of Philipp Degen (which I think we should!) and find a good backup for Dede.

Now, I think we can get a good backup for Dede on a free transfer in Bielefeld's Tobias Rau. Yes, he's had injury problems the past few seasons, but as a backup, he can concentrate on getting healthy and is still young enough to possibly succeed Dede.

As far as midfielders go, I don't think we need two more. I think we ONLY need an effective playmaking central midfielder. In Kringe, Tinga, Kruska, Ricken, Pienaar and Sahin, I think we have all the rest we need.

That and we're bringing in Blaszczykowski too? I'm thinking they are going to look to sell Pienaar.

BTW, they're already calling Blaszczykowski "Kuba". Is that what they call him in Poland??

The best midfielder available within the Bundesliga on a free transfer right now is Basturk. That is, if he doesn't already have some secret deal with Bayern.

After him, there aren't really any available since Bochum's Misimovic signed for FCN next season. Which is why I think we should use free transfers to fill as many of the other positions as possible. I think we should spend the most money on an effective playmaking midfielder.

As far as tall strikers go, they could be talking about this kid.

Top Clubs Eye Necid (http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/czech-rep-1-liga/2006-2007/sport_sto1088057.shtml)

Me? I want them to buy former Bayern prospect Stefan Maierhofer from TuS Koblenz.

He needs work, but he's as tall as Jan Koller.

But, we'll see what comes of all this in the near future, won't we???

[BMike86]

That and we're bringing in Blaszczykowski too? I'm thinking they are going to look to sell Pienaar.

BTW, they're already calling Blaszczykowski "Kuba". Is that what they call him in Poland??



"Kuba" is what everyone calls him in Poland, its like a nickname/shortening of his name (jakub)

[footyfan1]

"Kuba" is what everyone calls him in Poland, its like a nickname/shortening of his name (jakub)

Thanks a lot bro!!

[AMK3]

Has anyone heard anything new about metzelder and his new contract, as they were meant to start negotiations early this month.

[footyfan1]

Has anyone heard anything new about metzelder and his new contract, as they were meant to start negotiations early this month.


Shit! I meant to include that in my "8M" report. Apparently, BVB have tendered offers to both Metzelder and Woerns and are awaiting the players' responses.

The problem I have is that I would love to know what KIND of offer they made him.

I still think Watzke wants to let Metzelder walk and bring in Heiko Westermann, who, as I watch more and more, shows me that he's no better than Martin Amedick and we would almost certainly LOSE on such an exchange.

But of course, Watzke had to make Metzelder an offer to appease the BVB fans.

I want to know if it was a GOOD offer or not. I think we will know soon.

[jonam]

Has anyone heard anything new about metzelder and his new contract, as they were meant to start negotiations early this month.


From what I've heard BVB want Metzelder to make a decision by end of February. That would be next week.

[rossgreen]

Today, it was reported that BVB will have about 8M Euros to spend on player transfers after the season.

They also reported that Watzke says we need to get two defenders, two midfielders and a tall striker.

Of course, I disagree with them a bit. I also don't think we need to spend 8M when a lot of what we need is available right within the Bundesliga on free transfers!!!

I think we only need two defenders in these cases:

1) We lose Metzelder and Woerns decides to retire instead of playing one more season. In this case, I think we only need one defender then, which will probably be Heiko Westermann. Unless they finally get a real backup for Dede.

2) We keep Metzelder, Woerns stays, but we get rid of Philipp Degen (which I think we should!) and find a good backup for Dede.

Now, I think we can get a good backup for Dede on a free transfer in Bielefeld's Tobias Rau. Yes, he's had injury problems the past few seasons, but as a backup, he can concentrate on getting healthy and is still young enough to possibly succeed Dede.

As far as midfielders go, I don't think we need two more. I think we ONLY need an effective playmaking central midfielder. In Kringe, Tinga, Kruska, Ricken, Pienaar and Sahin, I think we have all the rest we need.

That and we're bringing in Blaszczykowski too? I'm thinking they are going to look to sell Pienaar.

BTW, they're already calling Blaszczykowski "Kuba". Is that what they call him in Poland??

The best midfielder available within the Bundesliga on a free transfer right now is Basturk. That is, if he doesn't already have some secret deal with Bayern.

After him, there aren't really any available since Bochum's Misimovic signed for FCN next season. Which is why I think we should use free transfers to fill as many of the other positions as possible. I think we should spend the most money on an effective playmaking midfielder.

As far as tall strikers go, they could be talking about this kid.

Top Clubs Eye Necid (http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/czech-rep-1-liga/2006-2007/sport_sto1088057.shtml)

Me? I want them to buy former Bayern prospect Stefan Maierhofer from TuS Koblenz.

He needs work, but he's as tall as Jan Koller.

But, we'll see what comes of all this in the near future, won't we???

Who would take Degen?

For a backup/potential starter at LB, how about Marcel Jansen?

Creative Midfielder - Wesley Sneijder

Tall Striker - Nicola Zigic

I know you would not be able to acquire all of their services, but how would you feel about any of them?

[footyfan1]

Who would take Degen?

Tottenham wanted him before this season. Even if we can't find anyone to take him for big money, he didn't cost us anything to begin with, so we really can't lose......



For a backup/potential starter at LB, how about Marcel Jansen?


If Gladbach sells him, just in Germany alone, Bayern, Schalke and Leverkusen would all be in front of us bidding more money for him.


Creative Midfielder - Wesley Sneijder

He'll cost more than our entire transfer budget. And even if we could afford him he would not join a team with no European prospects.



Tall Striker - Nicola Zigic

Same thing. Plus, a tall (2,02m/6'7") kid who used to be in the Bayern system just went to Koblenz. I'm pretty sure we can get him cheap and work with him.



I know you would not be able to acquire all of their services, but how would you feel about any of them?


Dude, we can't afford any of them. BVB doesn't have the money it did before and we are not the "desired address" for up and coming stars that we used to be either......

[rossgreen]

Okay, how about this -

go the American route, as German teams have begun doing. Heath Pearce plays in the Norweigian league, and has been attempted to be purchased y Hannover 96 and FC Nurnberg.

Jonathan Bornstein has been a revelation, and would come cheap from Chivas USA.

And Cherundolo is possibly the next captain of the NT, a captain at Hannover, and an adequate RB.

I'm usually not a avid "Yanks Abroad" kind of guy, but I figured if you need cheap players, Americans fit the bill.

[footyfan1]

Okay, how about this -

go the American route, as German teams have begun doing. Heath Pearce plays in the Norweigian league, and has been attempted to be purchased y Hannover 96 and FC Nurnberg.

Jonathan Bornstein has been a revelation, and would come cheap from Chivas USA.

And Cherundolo is possibly the next captain of the NT, a captain at Hannover, and an adequate RB.

I'm usually not a avid "Yanks Abroad" kind of guy, but I figured if you need cheap players, Americans fit the bill.


I've been trying to push US players to the club for awhile. Part of me thinks BVB still believes in the "American Bias", but I think it's more that the club management is just seriously BAD and uninformed.

[Gunning4Chelsea]

Who would take Degen?

For a backup/potential starter at LB, how about Marcel Jansen?

Creative Midfielder - Wesley Sneijder

Tall Striker - Nicola Zigic

I know you would not be able to acquire all of their services, but how would you feel about any of them?

sorry but I am not that big of a fan....from what i have seen of him - he is not a great finisher...he's missing that cold blood in the box...
although he is physical and has decent pace for his size....i just dont see him scoring more than 15 goals a season in a top league...but for the right price...you never know....i know his price was overly jacked up after that UEFA game...where Arsenal rumors were swirling around him

if valdez is gone - Zigic would be an obvious upgrade though

As for Sneijder - I like him - i think BL would suit him very well....he's a feisty player, good technical ability, and a very industrious work rate....he would be a good fit at BVB....

[footyfan1]

sorry but I am not that big of a fan....from what i have seen of him - he is not a great finisher...he's missing that cold blood in the box...
although he is physical and has decent pace for his size....i just dont see him scoring more than 15 goals a season in a top league...but for the right price...you never know....i know his price was overly jacked up after that UEFA game...where Arsenal rumors were swirling around him

if valdez is gone - Zigic would be an obvious upgrade though

As for Sneijder - I like him - i think BL would suit him very well....he's a feisty player, good technical ability, and a very industrious work rate....he would be a good fit at BVB....


Good discussion, but as stated, we can't afford either of them.

We're going to need to find cheap veterans and some decent up and coming talents to build ourselves back to where we were before.

Names like you guys are discussing are not going to join a team who:

a) Can't afford them to begin with.

b) Has no current chance of offering them European football.

or

c) Cannot offer them a competitive salary with the top clubs.

[rossgreen]

Why would Valdez leave?

[The Old Lady Hertha]

because he sucks? lol :D

I wouldn't be too surprised if he keeps playing like this the club will put him on the transfer list. Maybe not now, but maybe in the summer if he's still goalless and basically being a twit on the field.

[footyfan1]

Why would Valdez leave?

If he's sold, I think he would leave just from the sheer embarrassment of being bought for 4.5M Euros and being a complete bust.

But, I don't think he will be sold.

Number one, BVB probably would not be able to recoup half of what they paid for Valdez' sorry ass.

Number two, I don't think Watzke is the kind of guy to give up on an investment HE was so much behind.......

Number three, even if he never grows into a starting role, he has already proven that he can score goals in this league off the bench.

[AMK3]

Worns has agreed a one year extention, with an option for a further year.