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Scott the Red
23 May 2006, 12:45 PM
Growing up in my house, “City” was a dirty word. I soon learnt that “Scousers” was even worse. But something I’ve known for a very long time is that in Manchester, “Leeds” is scum. Aside from terrace chants of “We all ‘ate Leeds scum”, and the sheer joy we get from Leeds being our feeder club and passing along the great Cantona for next to nothing, hating Leeds has been something my Dad has instilled in me from a very early age.

I watched the Leeds vs Watford game, and I wanted Leeds to win. Not because I have a new found affinity for them, but because I miss Leeds vs United games. I’d been looking forward to Leeds coming up so that Smith could play against them. He’d get ripped to shreds all game, and their fans would hate him, but I was looking forward to seeing him walk out at Elland Road next season wearing red, black and white. The boy who was Leeds through and through left them for us, and I could hardly wait.

In this daydream, it struck me that I couldn’t imagine where Smith was going to be playing. Would he be at the heart of midfield, sticking in a rough challenge that would have their supporters in uproar? Or would he be in front of the goal, rifling in a shot from the edge of the area? The idea of him playing against Leeds next year has gone out of the window, but the question of where he’ll be playing next season still remains.

I remember being at Old Trafford towards the 04/05 season, and the whole crowd singing Alan Smith’s name for large portions of the game. I was fed up. I suppose I was more fed up with the way United’s season was going than I was with Smith, but I was still fed up with him nevertheless. Yes, we all loved him for his fighting spirit and ‘never say die’ attitude, and yes we all loved him because he left Leeds to play for us… but he wasn’t scoring enough goals. In a season where we were really struggling due to Ruud’s absence, I’d been confident Smith could fill his shoes, but he hadn’t done. In the league, he’d scored 6 goals in 31 appearances (22 starts).

I remember the Middlesbrough game, just a few months after this converted striker had made a switch in position, and Smith looked completely out of his depth. He didn’t know where to go, who to mark, or generally, what the hell he was supposed to be doing. No matter how much passion and fight he had, he couldn’t do the job that day, and that was a contributing reason to us getting thumped.

I wonder how many strikers would play as a defensive midfielder, just because their manager said so, and still give 100% every game? The Chelsea game kicked off and Alan Smith was lined up in the centre again, just a few days after Roy Keane had ripped him apart on MUTV. The pressure was on. He faced Lampard, Essien and Makelele, probably the best central midfield in Europe, with years of experience on all levels under their belt. And there was Alan Smith, who only a few months ago was playing as a striker. Did he let that stop him bossing the midfield that day? Course it bloody well didn’t. Every 50/50 ball he won and every glimpse at a challenge he’d take. The two best teams in England were playing that day, and Alan Smith, the defensive midfielder, walked off the pitch as the Man of the Match. How did he do it? “Work rate and commitment” he said in his post match interview, collecting the bottle of champagne.

Now I know there’s a big split on where Alan should be playing next season, and from what I’ve heard, most people want him up front again. I don’t totally object to that, but I still think he can do the job in midfield, and that’s where I want him to play. Leading up to his injury, he seemed to be getting a hold on the position, and no, not world class, because how many players are world class after adopting an opposition position for just a few months, but definitely getting better. If he's capable of outshining the Chelsea midfield, then he's capable of outshining any midfield, he just needs to get consistancy in to his game. He has so much heart, and drive, and passion, and those are qualities I want to see in the centre of our midfield. I want our opposition to run in to our half and think “Oh crap, there’s Smith”.

“You need a reminder that you are at a big club, you’re not at your previous clubs.” – Alan Smith, November 2005

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yikchi
23 May 2006, 02:00 PM
Striker or maybe the right side of the midfield, no centre midfield or defensive midfield.

To me, Smith has always been an attacking player that is aggressive and like to get stuck in and last season's performance shows that he has long way to go before he can become a central midfielder.

Is he improving as a midfielder? Yes. But I just think he plays the striker position than better than he will ever play the central midfield position.

Regarding the Chelsea game, we were under siege after Fletcher scored the goal. In that type of game, Smith's hustle and commitment will definitely stand out. However, in games that we need our central midfield to create or drive the team forward, he doesn't really shine. Just my 2 cents.

Vermont Red
23 May 2006, 02:06 PM
Striker. Please, never midfielder again.

Chaz Striker
23 May 2006, 02:22 PM
*sniffle* that was beautiful man *sniffle* STRIKER

Achtung
23 May 2006, 02:22 PM
I don't know what to make of Smith at this point. I used to think he'd make the perfect supersub, with his "nails" style at striker, to help get us vital goals late. He really had that capability. But right now, if Rossi comes up, with his talent there's no reason not to give him playing time. That leaves Smith behind at least Rooney, Saha, and Rossi, and then either Ruud if he stays or a probable replacement. Is he willing to stay on essentially as a fifth striker? I'm sure he would be, given what we know about his mentality, but I'd rather not waste him like that.

I think that genuinely leaves the midfield, where we have been lacking for a while and where he did show slow but consistent improvement over the course of this past season. There's no reason he can't come off the bench in midfield either to provide fresh legs late in a match. I'm sure that if we maintain an abundance at striker, we'll see him back in the midfield.

Chaz Striker
23 May 2006, 02:26 PM
I don't know what to make of Smith at this point. I used to think he'd make the perfect supersub, with his "nails" style at striker, to help get us vital goals late. He really had that capability. But right now, if Rossi comes up, with his talent there's no reason not to give him playing time. That leaves Smith behind at least Rooney, Saha, and Rossi, and then either Ruud if he stays or a probable replacement. Is he willing to stay on essentially as a fifth striker? I'm sure he would be, given what we know about his mentality, but I'd rather not waste him like that.

I think that genuinely leaves the midfield, where we have been lacking for a while and where he did show slow but consistent improvement over the course of this past season. There's no reason he can't come off the bench in midfield either to provide fresh legs late in a match. I'm sure that if we maintain an abundance at striker, we'll see him back in the midfield.

I personally think we aught to leave him up top and convert him into a Joe Jordan. He could be our target man up top and win headers and knock the shiznit out of people.

Just need to make him grow some 70's style hair and knock a few of his front teeth out first:D :p

Sofabloke
23 May 2006, 03:46 PM
I still feel the need to reserve judgement on Smith as a midfielder until he has played alongside a decent holding midfield player. He still _could_ be a Lampard / Gerrard style midfielder, but to have the confidence to get forward he needs someone better than Fletcher to play alongside and a more defensive minded player than Scholes.

As a striker, I am not convinced. I know this was considered his main position, but he was never prolific enough in this position for me. As you say, he is well down the order at United as far as that goes. I can't see him as a regular starter here, maybe a super-sub.

He played a lot on the right-wing for Leeds. There may still be a role for him there when the Giggs / Ronaldo pairing is not available (as Park still leaves me unconvinced). Plus if (and I hope we don't) we went 4-3-3 (or 4-3-2-1 or whatever you want to call it) then I think the right-hand side of a midfield three with a good holding player would suit him very well.

SirManchester
23 May 2006, 05:27 PM
Striker definitely, although he can also play on the right wing as noted before and we really should give him one more chance at midfield, but that's IF we acquire a solid DM.

Other than that we know he can show up, he's done so before. I would also appreciate it if Ferguson experiments him with the other strikers to see who he compliments the most. We are still going through a transition period and we can't really say where a player like Smith will fit in. One thing I know for sure is that I don't want to see him let go or put to waste, he sweats blood like no other for this club and it would be a damn shame if that's not put to use.

qazwsx
24 May 2006, 04:49 AM
What I don't understand is, why did Fergie buy him in the first place?

I'm sure most of us knew that he wasn't Manchester United quality

aussieunited
24 May 2006, 05:14 AM
What I don't understand is, why did Fergie buy him in the first place?

I'm sure most of us knew that he wasn't Manchester United quality


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: GO AWAY

BridgeMonkee
24 May 2006, 06:27 AM
What I don't understand is, why did Fergie buy him in the first place?

I'm sure most of us knew that he wasn't Manchester United quality
Nah, but he's the new quality that they have at the great Manchester United, just as Fletcher is the new Beckham :D

DutchFootballRulez
24 May 2006, 07:59 AM
Smith back to striker.

Sapphire
24 May 2006, 11:15 AM
Striker. Wish there was a poll so I wouldn't be bothered to type. Since I'm here, I'll justify. I was never convinced of Smithy's ability in midfield (although his passion is awesome); he was a solid striker at Leeds *spits* and I therefore can't imagine why we'd try to develop him into anything other than just that. I believe we used him in the midfield because we were desperate for middy players.

StrikerCW
24 May 2006, 11:56 AM
Right wing. He has what it takes to play there better than Fletcher at least. :)

He has the ability and has more experience there than in the middle, so why not start rotating him with Cron Giggs Park and co?

Republic of Mancunia
24 May 2006, 02:05 PM
Can't really decide tbh.

He wasn't really setting the world alight when he was playing up top and was only just learning the holding midfield position when he suffered his injury. He was getting better in midfield, no doubt about that with a good couple of performances against Chelsea and Spurs but was then in and out of the team somewhat until he got injured.

My big fear is that the midfield experiment, coupled with his injury might have "ruined" him in so much as he doesn't really know what he is supposed to be. Silvestre once claimed that he'd forgotten how to play at left-back after having not played there for a while, ok, that was Silvestre and we all know he isn't exactly the brightest but it's something I fear that could happen to Smith too.

Lol, I'm going to go against everything I've just said as I'm guessing his future will be as a utility player. He's stated that he's happy to play anywhere and I just can't see him holding down one position so expect him to be a sub quite often next season, starting the odd game here and there. Striker, defensive midfield, right-sided midfield are all possibilities. Even attacking midfield, maybe sharing the role with Scholes/Jones/whoever. He might not be technically good enough to play there very often but could be effective through his energy alone.

I see him as the new Phil Neville, only more offensive.

Attack Attack Attack
24 May 2006, 02:15 PM
def striker (if Ruud goes he'll be on the bench with Rossi) or cover for the attacking mid (although I we might as well give that position to Rooney, since he runs all over the pitch and never stays purely up front anyways)

humpbackoak
27 May 2006, 03:10 PM
midfielder.
to be honest, i can't even remember what alan smith was like as a striker, not that it's been that long.he did score in the charity shield with a helluva shot.but he's more a scorer of great goals than a great goalscorer, if i may abuse the euphemism, there is little point in utilising him as a striker unless the situation is dire.a lot of hustle and bustle but he couldn't really blow the house down as far as i'm concerned.maybe this midfielder experiment might reap rewards, after all it does seem to be the most feasible thing to do with him now.

bamboozle
27 May 2006, 04:19 PM
Alan Smith is clearly a Striker. Before he joined Man Utd, he was an attacker, SAF just used him in the midfield role because we were short on other midfielders at the time. He will always have that attacking mind inside him and i don't believe we should use him in midfield next season. Its wasting his true ability.

Achtung
27 May 2006, 04:35 PM
So, just out of curiosity, for those who think that Smith will go back to being a striker, what do you expect our striker depth chart to look like next season? Are we looking at (starters in bold):

Ruud/replacement for Ruud
Rooney
Saha
Rossi
Smith

Or if Ruud is sold and not replaced, does it go:
Rooney
Saha
Rossi
Smith

I guess in a roundabout way I'm getting at the idea that if Smith is used as a fifth striker, barring a bad run with injuries, I don't see him getting into more than a handful of games plus maybe Carling Cup games. And as loyal as he seems to us at the moment, I wonder how long he'll feel that way if he can't get more playing time.

IMHO, he is a better player as a striker. But you just have to feel that his chances will be far more limited there. Meanwhile in CM, we expect 1/2 new guys, but other than that we really only have an aging (though still quality) Scholes, an up-and coming but still raw David Jones, and a seemingly out-of-favor Fletcher. If he goes back to striker, he'd basically need players in front of him to get injuries or go out of form. Rooney, Saha, and Rossi, plus of course either Ruud or whatever replacement we get, if we get one. I don't know, he's such a top guy and hard-working player that I'd almost prefer to sell him rather than let him rot on the bench.

johno
29 May 2006, 09:00 PM
I'd like Smith to be deployed as a utility man, but one with purpose.

If we don't replace Ruud then Smith will be the 2nd #9 on our books behind Saha. Paired w/ Rooney or Rossi I think Smith can do damage. He's not a clinical finisher but can you imagine how hard it would be for a team to breathe if Smith/Rooney is the front pairing? The defenders would be closed down before they got the ball!

If Smith can get games or minutes as back-up to Saha and also as a 2 way CM or on the right I think we'll get about 15 games or so from him and it will be enough for him to have an impact. For me, Smith is a player who will always have an impact when he gets minutes - the impact may not always be tangible but it will be there.