View Full Version : 1980-2006. Who are the top 3 club manager's over this timespan?
Dark Savante
22 May 2006, 03:40 PM
Discuss.
comme
22 May 2006, 03:44 PM
Off the top of my head
Ferguson
Capello
Cruyff
People like Lippi, Wenger, Saachi, Trappatoni, Hitzfeld could all be legitimate contenders.
Sempre
22 May 2006, 04:25 PM
Off the top of my head
Ferguson
Capello
Cruyff
People like Lippi, Wenger, Saachi, Trappatoni, Hitzfeld could all be legitimate contenders.
I think the real question is which managers had the most influence
and/ or pushed the game forward most dramatically. Sacchi was an
egomaniac and his players sometimes hated him, but he completely
changed Italian football and perhaps world football too. I would put
him in the top three over the past 25 years (though I strongly dislike
his character .........).
comme
22 May 2006, 04:33 PM
I think the real question is which managers had the most influence
and/ or pushed the game forward most dramatically. Sacchi was an
egomaniac and his players sometimes hated him, but he completely
changed Italian football and perhaps world football too. I would put
him in the top three over the past 25 years (though I strongly dislike
his character .........).
How long was Saachi at the top level of club management though? 5 years?
Also what was his lasting legacy? The reinforcement of 4-4-2? Zonal marking?
Sempre
22 May 2006, 04:40 PM
How long was Saachi at the top level of club management though? 5 years?
Also what was his lasting legacy? The reinforcement of 4-4-2? Zonal marking?
Yeah - 5 years in club management, 5 years with the Azzurri.
In terms of Serie A, Sacchi got rid of man-marking and incorporated
some principles of total football, but most notably midfield pressing,
constant movement, possession-based attacking game, etc. I'm not
sure what effect he had abroad, his ideas seem to have been at the
root of the success of Italian clubs in that golden period in the 90s
though.
I was interested to see Cruyff on your list. What do you think his
main achievement was?
comme
22 May 2006, 05:02 PM
Cruyff reached 6 European finals in an 8 year period, winning 3 of them. He won a title and two cups in Holland, then he won 4 league titles in a row in Spain.
He applied his system rigidly, but it worked. He discarded Gary Lineker, who was the absolute perfect player for Cruyff's system, yet he somehow got away with it.
He also used Bakero as a sort of offensive destroyer, which I found to be a very interesting tactical innovation.
Sempre
22 May 2006, 05:47 PM
Cruyff reached 6 European finals in an 8 year period, winning 3 of them. He won a title and two cups in Holland, then he won 4 league titles in a row in Spain.
He applied his system rigidly, but it worked. He discarded Gary Lineker, who was the absolute perfect player for Cruyff's system, yet he somehow got away with it.
He also used Bakero as a sort of offensive destroyer, which I found to be a very interesting tactical innovation.
Cruyff won a great deal. I was interested more in what you thought
his innovations were tactically?
King-James
22 May 2006, 06:52 PM
What do you all think of Van Gaal?
One manager I'd like to mention is Wenger, even if his time hasn't been all that long over that 80-06 period. If we're talking in long term effect that they have on the game - well we are yet to see a lot of that I think. Wenger's Arsenal most likely will have had a strong influence on football as time goes by.
nicephoras
22 May 2006, 06:53 PM
Really? I personally can't see any influence Wenger has had on the game. Great manager with the ability to find the occasional French diamond in the rough, but influence? Can you name a single EPL side that has changed its play to be more like Arsenal?
R.E.M.
22 May 2006, 07:08 PM
Johan Cruyff no doubt, for what he did, and the way soccer was played...... Get ready for his successor Frank Rijkaard who he said should be the barsa coach when the present front office won elections, cruyff is a genius, playing and coachin, as well as on and off the field.
impalemeplz
22 May 2006, 08:09 PM
i think you have to look at what wenger has done with arsenal not just on the field but off it. even tho alot of clubs havnt copied his way on the pitch they certainly have off it.
nicephoras
22 May 2006, 08:11 PM
i think you have to look at what wenger has done with arsenal not just on the field but off it. even tho alot of clubs havnt copied his way on the pitch they certainly have off it.
Oh, I don't think that's true at all. Wenger's transfer philosophy isn't at all pioneering - he's just good at recognizing young talent.
impalemeplz
22 May 2006, 08:18 PM
its not just the xfers alone. look at arsenals way before he got there. he easily extended tony adams, keowns and dixons career by 4-5 years.
Rakim_22
22 May 2006, 08:19 PM
Rijkaard
SAF
Cruyff
Teso Dos Bichos
22 May 2006, 08:34 PM
its not just the xfers alone. look at arsenals way before he got there. he easily extended tony adams, keowns and dixons career by 4-5 years.
Just because that trio finally decided to stop drinking and get serious about their health/fitness. Regardless, lots of players are able to play longer. It's not Wenger specific, just look at Sheringham. If you want to go down the path of hailing Wenger, be specific about what you feel he has done off the field.
nicephoras
22 May 2006, 08:36 PM
its not just the xfers alone. look at arsenals way before he got there. he easily extended tony adams, keowns and dixons career by 4-5 years.
Wenger was doing what other continental coaches like Vialli did for Chelsea - he was hardly unique in this regard.
SirManchester
22 May 2006, 08:36 PM
Cappello
Ferguson
Hitzfeld
dor02
23 May 2006, 02:43 AM
Capello - He was great at AC Milan, had an impressive single season at Real and he did well at Roma. He knew how to organise his team better than the other coaches, having the ability to pick the right tactics. His teams were good at attacking and defending and he maintained the success that Sacchi had before him. The 1994 CL win with Milan has to be his best achievement.
I won't mention Juve 2004-06 under the current circumstances.
Ferguson - he has done many great things with Man Utd. He turned them into the dominant force in England again, especially in the 1990s.
Trappatoni - probably the best coach that Juve has had. Juve won every trophy imaginable when he was around and under Trap, Juve became the first club to have won all of the three major European competitions, the 1985 European Cup, 1984 Cup Winners' Cup and the 1977 UEFA Cup. He also lead Bayern Munich to success in Germany and at Fiorentina, he was close to winning a scudetto with la viola but Batistuta broke his leg. It was a shame that he was crap with the Azzurri because he had a good team to pick from.
Lippi and Hitzfeld are worthy of a mention too. Cryuff was a good manager but there's something about him that doesn't make him a Top Three or Top Five manager. I wouldn't rate him higher than the Top Three that I've mentioned.
Dark Savante
23 May 2006, 04:21 AM
You missed out a large chunk of SAF's career by only mentioning United.
dror_khayat
23 May 2006, 05:31 AM
I can't select 3,so I would pick 5(no order):
Sacchi
Van gaal
Hitzfeld
Lippi
Capello