ManU vs Chelsea on new signings.

[Zeppelin]

>Why Manchester United haven't been able to compete w/ Chelsea in terms of signing new players? . Chelsea seems to have better eyes in spotting talented players and this have been proven really well throughout the last 2 seasons while the MU have failed to reach fans' expectation in new signing, what seems to be the problem ? is it the scouting dept fault ? or money that is not available on the table ? Can MU be the champion in the next season with these same all players or stay firmly again in the second place ?

[Invincible]

What are you talking about? Chelsea dont scout lmao, they just go after the next flavor of the month and throw ridiculous amount of money at them. :confused:

[tscboys]

you apparently dont know too much zeppelin..cherlseathrow money at wat they want and get it and sorry if my typing is bad oi just broke my left arm...looked fecking cool tho

[caco794]

Yeah, it's very hard to scout footballers like ballack. Real hard. Robben was practically ours if it wasn't for the cvnt baby eater. Soon it will be mikel.
Look back a few and see what real scouting is. You know, those kids that wouldn't win anything? :rolleyes:

[JinJin]

it's too bad our reserves never play theirs because we would thrash them and most of their reserves also consist of them illegally taking players from Portugal, o yeh they also have that Serbian defender from Red Star that cost them 2 million pounds.

[mhtwins113]

>Why Manchester United haven't been able to compete w/ Chelsea in terms of signing new players? . Chelsea seems to have better eyes in spotting talented players and this have been proven really well throughout the last 2 seasons while the MU have failed to reach fans' expectation in new signing, what seems to be the problem ? is it the scouting dept fault ? or money that is not available on the table ? Can MU be the champion in the next season with these same all players or stay firmly again in the second place ?

It depends which Chelsea you are talking about, pre-Mourinho or post-Mourinho. In Ranieri's year under Abramovich, yeah he had an open checkbook but he still signed every truly talented player Chelsea have. Look at Chelsea's first 11 last year:

GK: Cech
Def: Ferreira, Terry, Carvalho, Gallas
Mid: Makelele, Lampard, Essien
Wings: Robben, Cole
ST: Drogba

Of those players there, only Ferreira, Carvalho, Essien, and Drogba were signed by Mourinho. What is the common denominator between them? They are all crap for the money they were signed for.

Cech and Robben were bought by Ranieri during the 03/04 season, but they were bought after the winter transfer window (Cech) or were designated to transfer after the season (Robben), so they came into the club after Ranieri was sacked. Terry came up through the youth system, Gallas was bought by Ranieri in 2001. Lamps was bought by Ranieri from West Ham. Makelele, of course, was bought in the summer of 2003 after Roman bought the team, when Real wouldn't pay him Galactico wages and suddenly became available. Cole was bought that same summer from West Ham. So was Crespo.

The backbone of this team is Claudio Ranieri's, not Jose Mourinho's. Mourinho has realized that he can't pick out a player for his life, so he's now choosing to make the easy signings that any person with two eyes and half a brain could make. The "Galacticos" if you will, like Ballack, and probably Shevchenko.

So, linking this back to the topic of Man United v Chelsea, it depends how you are comparing. And obviously, throwing out the fact that managers at Stamford Bridge practically print their own money. Fergie vs. Ranieri? Over the period they went heads up, it's the Itie, without a doubt. But Fergie v. Mourinho? Come on, that is Fergie in an absolute walk.

[benni...]

What a joke thread.

Scouting department? LMFAO.

Why Manchester United haven't been able to compete w/ Chelsea in terms of signing new players?

1. Because they have more money than us to spend, and an outragrous wage structure.

2. Because there are many stupid players in the world that think they will actually see playing time, but end up not making the world cup or European championship roster ( Shaun Wright Phillips and Scott Parker).

[Charleysurf]

Chelsea make great play about their youth structure and how they will eventually be producing their own superstars and not need to spend so much (for that far far away day when they claim they will actually break even).
It'll be interesting to see how many young players break through for them.
It's hard enough to do it at United, but at Chelsea where money is no object, it's going to be almost impossible.

[Achtung]

>Why Manchester United haven't been able to compete w/ Chelsea in terms of signing new players? . Chelsea seems to have better eyes in spotting talented players and this have been proven really well throughout the last 2 seasons while the MU have failed to reach fans' expectation in new signing, what seems to be the problem ? is it the scouting dept fault ? or money that is not available on the table ? Can MU be the champion in the next season with these same all players or stay firmly again in the second place ?

Please tell me you've been living under a rock for the past three years.

[StrikerCW]

Come on MHT, I can't beleive you bit into this with your time. :D

[kakaboypuf redded]

What are you talking about? Chelsea dont scout lmao, they just go after the next flavor of the month and throw ridiculous amount of money at them. :confused:

What are you talking about? Im no fan of Chelski, but they have (bought :p) some of the best scouts in the game who go to every place where they can discover a new talent.
Also, they mainly try to get players at an as young as possible age. What you see in the news isnt the only thing that happens you know :rolleyes:

[Numquam Moribimur]

wooooo for zeppelin! 5 star thread .....YAAAAAA :D

[bestbecks]

Also, they mainly try to get players at an as young as possible age. What you see in the news isnt the only thing that happens you know :rolleyes:
If by this you mean they follow other team's scouts to find new talent, then yes they're really good at it. Because last I checked it was Ballack they signed. Robben was stolen right out of Man Utd's grasp by Chelski, and now the same with Mikel. If you think Chelski has a good eye for picking talent then prove it, lets see these players that don't get mentioned in the media.

[bestbecks]

wooooo for zeppelin! 5 star thread .....YAAAAAA :D
I only see 3 stars. :D

[Invincible]

What are you talking about? Im no fan of Chelski, but they have (bought :p) some of the best scouts in the game who go to every place where they can discover a new talent.
Also, they mainly try to get players at an as young as possible age. What you see in the news isnt the only thing that happens you know :rolleyes:
And what major talents have they scouted so far? They scouted Robben when he was touring Old Trafford? They scouted Essien when it was made public that we were interested in him? They scouted Ballack, another player we were interested in? They scouted Drogba, the top striker in France? They scouted Carvalho and Ferreira who won it all with Mourinho? They scouted Wright Phillips when he was tearing it up at City? They scouted Crespo? Are they scouting Shevchenko?

Dont be foolish.

[kakaboypuf redded]

If by this you mean they follow other team's scouts to find new talent, then yes they're really good at it. Because last I checked it was Ballack they signed. Robben was stolen right out of Man Utd's grasp by Chelski, and now the same with Mikel. If you think Chelski has a good eye for picking talent then prove it, lets see these players that don't get mentioned in the media.

Arent you some smartass :rolleyes: Of course you won't ever hear about the youthplayers they try to offer a contract if you're all the way up in Toronto and your only source to football news is this forum and some American sites who have an amateurdriven football section.

You want names, here they come:
Fabio Ferriera, Ricardo Fernendes, Adrien Silva, Mbark Boussoufa, Jeffrey Sarpong, John Goossens, Per Weihrauch, Dean Furman

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. All youthplayers who had short articles written about them because Chelsea showed interest. There are dozens and dozens more.
One of Chelsea's headscouts, Piet Visser, is a dutchman who regulary comes in dutch media talking about where he's off to now to look for new talents. Thats how I happen to know something about it.

[kakaboypuf redded]

And what major talents have they scouted so far? They scouted Robben when he was touring Old Trafford? They scouted Essien when it was made public that we were interested in him? They scouted Ballack, another player we were interested in? They scouted Drogba, the top striker in France? They scouted Carvalho and Ferreira who won it all with Mourinho? They scouted Wright Phillips when he was tearing it up at City? They scouted Crespo? Are they scouting Shevchenko?

Dont be foolish.
O dear, who's being foolish now. Nobody needs to scout Shevchenko, or Crespo, or Drogba, or Ballack. They are well known.

Geez, you are too dumb..its a waste of my time even typing this. Let alone explain you a thing or two...so keep on asking silly questions, maybe someone will help you answer them

edit: omg, the nerd neg repped me aswell :rolleyes:

[bestbecks]

Arent you some smartass :rolleyes: Of course you won't ever hear about the youthplayers they try to offer a contract if you're all the way up in Toronto and your only source to football news is this forum and some American sites who have an amateurdriven football section. Of course I only have access to North American sites. :rolleyes:

You want names, here they come:
Fabio Ferriera, Ricardo Fernendes, Adrien Silva, Mbark Boussoufa, Jeffrey Sarpong, John Goossens, Per Weihrauch, Dean Furman
It'll be interesting to see how these players develop and "make" it into Chelski's first team squad. If they really were any good the academy would have some relative media coverage would they not? I know for a fact that Arsenal's does, Man Utd's does, Barca's does, Sporting's does, Ajax and PSV's both do. Chelski...nah, they produce players who end up getting nowhere past the reserve team bar Terry, Huth (we've all seen how well he's doing for himself there), and Cole (and even then he's barely made it in).

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. All youthplayers who had short articles written about them because Chelsea showed interest. There are dozens and dozens more. That doesn't make them good. just because a team can "scout" young players doesn't mean they will be quality. If we've learned anything about Chelski's youth setup it's to not pay attention to it.

EDIT: One more thing. Has Chelski ever won anything with their "kids"? I didn't think so.

[JinJin]

Arent you some smartass :rolleyes: Of course you won't ever hear about the youthplayers they try to offer a contract if you're all the way up in Toronto and your only source to football news is this forum and some American sites who have an amateurdriven football section.

You want names, here they come:
Fabio Ferriera, Ricardo Fernendes, Adrien Silva, Mbark Boussoufa, Jeffrey Sarpong, John Goossens, Per Weihrauch, Dean Furman

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. All youthplayers who had short articles written about them because Chelsea showed interest. There are dozens and dozens more.
One of Chelsea's headscouts, Piet Visser, is a dutchman who regulary comes in dutch media talking about where he's off to now to look for new talents. Thats how I happen to know something about it.


You realize those Portuguese players were taken illegally, Sporting, Benfica have all complained to UEFA about it. None of those players are homegrown, they were poached from other youth academy, I wouldn't exactly call that good scouting. Your Dutch? I thought you would have known that both Sarpong and Goosen are not at chelsea, chelsea tried to steal them from Ajax without success. Dean Furman? please get your facts right before you type something, he is not at Chelsea anymore, Paul Le Guen signed him for Rangers If this Chelsea youth is so good how come they did not even win their divisional league?

[kakaboypuf redded]

Of course I only have access to North American sites. :rolleyes:
obviously, otherwise you would have known about their huge interest in youthplayers from clubs all over europe

It'll be interesting to see how these players develop and "make" it into Chelski's first team squad. If they really were any good the academy would have some relative media coverage would they not? I know for a fact that Arsenal's does, Man Utd's does, Barca's does, Sporting's does, Ajax and PSV's both do. Chelski...nah, they produce players who end up getting nowhere past the reserve team bar Terry, Huth (we've all seen how well he's doing for himself there), and Cole (and even then he's barely made it in).

That doesn't make them good. just because a team can "scout" young players doesn't mean they will be quality. If we've learned anything about Chelski's youth setup it's to not pay attention to it.

Are you stupid? or just acting like it. The chance any scout spots a Messi or Robben is minimal. One example, Mbark Boussouffa, who was the captain of their u17 team, is now playing in Belgium and was recently selected as best player in the Belgium league. But i guess you never heard about him either. That's why i mean with that you dont a thing about whats going on here. You only hear Ballack, Robben and Beckham ( :rolleyes: ) and you think thats all what this game about. You dont know shit.