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Dark Savante
18 May 2006, 09:31 AM
Before I start I'll state I mean no disrespect to the SPL with this thread or the title.

Henry's comments last night about Larsson were spot-on. He was the MoM and his arrival altered the game more than anything that had gone on before it. He's looked completely at home at Barca in the league when fit and at his age you have to say that's quite incredible.

When he was racking up all those goals and titles in Scotland nobody down South (England) that I know cared a jot. He definitely didn't get the respect strikers who rack up such numbers could expect either. His performances for Sweden and in European club competition was where I'd try and evaluate the player. After all, Michael Mols was a monster in Scotland, but outside of the league...?

Trying to figure out a player like Larsson in this era is quite a difficult task. He stayed loyal to Celtic throughout the best years of his career, his achievements are mostly dismissable to the world at large...in fact, he's only getting shine from most people because of what he's done since being at Barcelona....sort of like 'see? He is actually a quality player!' rather than the acknowledgement he was already a quality player before going there.

I wonder how many managers in the big 3 leagues are kicking themselves now for not making a concerted effort for Larsson when he was in his prime. We'll never know just what he'd have been capable of playing against some of the best players in the world throughout a season, but.... one has to assume that if a 34yr old Larsson (He is 34 right?) can play so seemlessly in the best side in the world he would have been even better at 27 or so. Right?

I'm asking if he 'wasted' his chance to be remembered as a world great or as one of the best strikers of his generation. A player who could've been mentioned in the same breath as the Ronaldo's, Shevchenko's, RVN's, Henry's etc by choosing to stay in Scotland. I remember watching highlights of his goals in Scotland, but they didn't mean much to me. The SPL isn't a strong league and the question was always 'could he do that in [insert big 3 league here]? '

It's a strange 'end' for him to be leaving the big leagues just as he's earned acknowledgement of his ability and has proven he can be the outstanding player on a pitch that contains Eto'o, Ronaldinho, Henry etc in the biggest club game of their lives. it makes him an enigma to me - a mystery man - indeed, leaves me to wonder what could have been and to wonder whether he would have achieved the same feats he managed in Scotland in one of the top leagues.

For anyone old enough to remember the Blonde dreadlocked Larsson at the 1994 World Cup when he was getting substitue appearances next to Brolin and Dhalin, what did you expect that player to become in his career?

Another strange thing about Larsson is that he's the fittest striker I've seen in his age bracket. He still has pace to burn and a very good engine on him, he looks like he could actually play at the highest level for another two years, but again, he's not interested??

He's as much of a mystery-man to me (now) as a player I see with a very similar ability level and career path. One Nicholas Anelka, who has conspired to absolutely remove himself from existsence and not take his rightful place as one of the best strikers of his generation. There is nothing Eto'o is doing that Anelka cannot do or hasn't done in the past and I find it an incredible waste of this player who won a CL and was on his way to being an EPL legend before deciding he'd just piss it all away :confused:

I know Larsson is a Celtic legend, rated as one of, if not, your best ever, but what does everyone else think of this player? Anyone else find his career path perplexing? Does his loyalty to Celtic have the air of a big fish in a small pond or is this a man who felt he had nothing to prove to anyone nor had any interest in joining the 'rat race' to become one of the best strikers in the world?

Caesar
18 May 2006, 09:40 AM
I agree it is important to recognise the differences in the leagues. In the season both strikers were at Celtic together, Larsson was very much in Mark Viduka's shadow, with the latter totally dominating the league, winning the SPL Golden Boot by a massive margin and PFA Player of the Year. Viduka went on to have some great seasons with Leeds, but never developed into a totally fantastic striker (only once has he had a 20-goal season) and has spent perhaps the best years of his career as a very proficient but not outstanding player with Middlesbrough.

For those that saw him play during his time in Scotland, there is no doubt that Larsson is one of the great strikers of his generation. Had he played outside the SPL, I firmly believe he would have got the recognition he so richly deserved.

Dark Savante
18 May 2006, 09:43 AM
For those that saw him play during his time in Scotland, there is no doubt that he is one of the great strikers of his generation. Had he played outside the SPL, he would have got the recognition he so richly deserved.
It's quite impossible to be one of the best strikers of your generation whilst playing in a small league.

Caesar
18 May 2006, 09:47 AM
It's quite impossible to be one of the best strikers of your generation whilst playing in a small league. You're welcome to say that, but I think that anyone who saw him perform so well and so consistently over his time at Celtic (often with horrible support players) would not be in any doubt of his ability to succeed elsewhere.

That belief has been vindicated to an extent in his success at Barcelona where he has been well and truly past his prime in terms of playing years.

Dark Savante
18 May 2006, 09:51 AM
You're welcome to say that, but I think that anyone who saw him perform so well and so consistently over his time at Celtic (often with horrible support players) would not be in any doubt of his ability to succeed elsewhere.

That belief has been vindicated to an extent in his success at Barcelona where he has been well and truly past his prime in terms of playing years.
Did you read my first post?

Caesar
18 May 2006, 09:56 AM
Did you read my first post? :rolleyes:

I'm asking if he 'wasted' his chance to be remembered as a world great or as one of the best strikers of his generation.
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I know Larsson is a Celtic legend, rated as one of, if not, your best ever, but what does everyone else think of this player? I've told you what I think of him, and I'm saying that in my opinion anyone who actually saw how he worked with different sides and watched his dominance over a long period in Scotland will have gained a proper appreciation for him will remember him as one of the best strikers of his generation.

Is that alright with you?

Dark Savante
18 May 2006, 10:05 AM
:rolleyes:

I've told you what I think of him, and I'm saying that in my opinion anyone who actually saw how he worked with different sides and watched his dominance over a long period in Scotland will have gained a proper appreciation for him will remember him as one of the best strikers of his generation.

Is that alright with you?
Why are you using this :rolleyes: ?

It's easy to assume you didn't read the opener. There's nothing wrong with your opinion, it's just not possible to be the best of a generation whilst humiliating St Mirren, Falkirk, Dundee and the like. I mean, who are the best defenders in Scotland? Is all I'm saying. Not sure why that has you using :rolleyes: at me.

Caesar
18 May 2006, 10:11 AM
Why are you using this :rolleyes: ?

It's easy to assume you didn't read the opener. There's nothing wrong with your opinion, it's just not possible to be the best of a generation whilst humiliating St Mirren, Falkirk, Dundee and the like. I mean, who are the best defenders in Scotland? Is all I'm saying. Not sure why that has you using :rolleyes: at me. I am saying there is a difference between being one of the best and proving it. His ability is not diminished by the quality of his opposition.

Despite the fact he never played in one of the big leagues, you will find many people who have seen his career in its entirety, treat him as one of the best players of his generation on the basis of this, and believe quite strongly he had the capacity to succeed in the big leagues had he chosen to do so. This is vindicated to some extent by the success he has had at Barcelona despite being very much in the twilight of his prowess.

benni...
18 May 2006, 10:13 AM
I'm asking if he 'wasted' his chance to be remembered as a world great or as one of the best strikers of his generation.

If anyone doesnt consider him as a world great, thats their own opinion. Most people that I know, would regard him in that vein. This may probably turn into another argument about proving oneself in the top three.

he looks like he could actually play at the highest level for another two years, but again, he's not interested??

Some people in this world of corrupt football actually play to be happy, and could care less about how supporters down play his achievements in a so called smaller league. He is happy, and has just won a champions league medal. Thats not much of a mystery to me. He is still playing football, and is moving back to his home town. He's a happy man.

FabFiveFigo
18 May 2006, 10:29 AM
You could compare/contrast him to another guy who scored an insane amount af goals in "secondary" league - Jardel.

I think that while Jardel never really caught on with Brazil, and seemed to thrive mainly in his small tank, Larsson has shown (whether through his brief accomplishments at the Nou Camp or his record with Sweden) that he had the chops to hang in a big 4 league.

I would have liked to see him at a place like Deportivo La Coruna or Valencia during his prime, where he could still be a center piece of the attack, and play in a top league with a top tier line-up around him.

impalemeplz
18 May 2006, 01:21 PM
i have to put my bias and anger aside and say all the larson haters can now go get stuffed.

as for the reasons he stayed at celtic for so long, well its a good question.:)

lanman
18 May 2006, 01:25 PM
I think that if you ask Larrson if he has any regrets about his career then he would certainly say no. He was the darling of Celtic winning countless trophies and honours and has topped it all off by getting a CL winners medal. I believe he is a very private person and probably enjoyed livng a relatively quiet life in Scotland.

benni...
18 May 2006, 01:27 PM
i have to put my bias and anger aside and say all the larson haters can now go get stuffed.

as for the reasons he stayed at celtic for so long, well its a good question.:)

Maybe its because he was happy in Scotland? Happy with the team?

astabooty
18 May 2006, 01:29 PM
Whats it mattered how he is remembered by the masses? He had a great time at Feyenoord and Celtic, is considered a legend by all Celtic and Swedish fans, has played very well for Sweden, and won a CL. HE had a great career and I doubt he would change it with what happened yesterday.

impalemeplz
18 May 2006, 01:35 PM
Maybe its because he was happy in Scotland? Happy with the team?

no kidding

benni...
18 May 2006, 01:43 PM
no kidding

If thats how you feel, then why was it a good question? Its a simple question with a simple answer.

Dark Savante
18 May 2006, 01:49 PM
Whats it mattered how he is remembered by the masses? He had a great time at Feyenoord and Celtic, is considered a legend by all Celtic and Swedish fans, has played very well for Sweden, and won a CL. HE had a great career and I doubt he would change it with what happened yesterday.
Like I said initially it's more about 'what ifs' than anything else. Larsson could have become a world name for the ages, maybe, just like Anelka could be striving for. He's kind of like a cult hero now and his CL medal and performance in the final have certainly had him bow out in style and raise his stature and standing in the game. A lot of people will have seen Larsson for the first time yesterday, he'll have left a great impression on them, for sure.

I would just like to know how far his game could have gone if he had the desire to test himself against the strikers regarded as the best of his generation.

zcgf02
18 May 2006, 01:59 PM
I'm reluctant to bring this up because any Landon Donovan thread invariably deteriorates after about ten posts. But so much of this conversation reminds me of the debates currently going about Donovan. I wonder, if Landon stays in MLS for most of his career, if people will have the same questions about Donovan?

To me, the answer for Larrson and, potentially Donovan, is: a great player is a great player. If Larrson was happy in the SPL and still performed well for the Swedish team, it doesn't detract from his talent.

I was very happy for Larrson last night and thought he was clearly MOTM for Barcalona.

DutchFootballRulez
18 May 2006, 02:05 PM
He's got all the notoriety he needs 50+ Goals in Scotland, good at Feyenoord, Great for Sweden and all so important for Barcelona. And he got to a UEFA Cup Final and Won the CL and La Liga twice, not to mention several SPLs. A lot of "big" clubs could use a Larsson and always wanted Larsson but he stayed with Celtic and didn't want to leave.

SuperJville
18 May 2006, 02:44 PM
I'm reluctant to bring this up because any Landon Donovan thread invariably deteriorates after about ten posts. But so much of this conversation reminds me of the debates currently going about Donovan. I wonder, if Landon stays in MLS for most of his career, if people will have the same questions about Donovan?

To me, the answer for Larrson and, potentially Donovan, is: a great player is a great player. If Larrson was happy in the SPL and still performed well for the Swedish team, it doesn't detract from his talent.

I was very happy for Larrson last night and thought he was clearly MOTM for Barcalona.

nooo.. please don't mention Donovan in the same breath as Larsson.

Donovan couldn't make it in Leverkusen, at a time when the club was less successfull than they usually are..