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The Old Lady Hertha
17 May 2006, 09:08 AM
What do you guys think. I was going to post this in German forum, but I feared one-sided answers.

Is German NT and Werder Bremen striker Miroslav Klose a World-Class striker to you? 25 goals and 14! Assists in 25 games, but it is a weak league. He's scored 3 goals in 7 Champions League games, but in 4 of those games, he was carrying a serious knock (facial and leg injury). He's done much more than get headed goals (although he is still very good at it). He's added some pace, and has become a very good finisher IMO.

So what do you think? :p

evanpemsocr
17 May 2006, 09:15 AM
I think he is a world class striker. The Bundesliga is not a weak league, and every time I see him play he impresses me.

svwin
17 May 2006, 10:42 AM
What do you guys think. I was going to post this in German forum, but I feared one-sided answers.

Is German NT and Werder Bremen striker Miroslav Klose a World-Class striker to you? 25 goals and 14! Assists in 25 games, but it is a weak league. He's scored 3 goals in 7 Champions League games, but in 4 of those games, he was carrying a serious knock (facial and leg injury). He's done much more than get headed goals (although he is still very good at it). He's added some pace, and has become a very good finisher IMO.

So what do you think? :p

First: It was 25 goals and 16(the Kicker magazine did something wrong, they say for example Miro didn`t do an assist cause the pass was inadvertent in their eyes:mad: ,stupid ones).
Second: It`s definetly right that the Bundesliga is a weaker league, BUT: in the stronger leagues the strikers have 4(!!!) games more to score goals. And this is a lot and when you see that Miro was hurt that often and had to be operated than his act is even more of worth.
Third: he is an absolutl complete striker, his headers are excellent, he is very ball-winning and he is damn effective.

He is the best german striker since years and years, I am so looking forward the WC to see him score. Miro is a World-Class Striker!

Miran Klosnic
17 May 2006, 05:55 PM
He ist definately a world class striker! But actually many people tend towards underrating german players, especially Miro Klose!

dsk_oz
17 May 2006, 06:20 PM
The WC2002 probably gave him the label of headers-only-and-nothing-else .. especially that game against Saudi Arabia and the fact he didn't score that many with his feet (if any?).

Couldn't say how much he's progressed since though ..

AstonVillaFan
17 May 2006, 06:37 PM
I still think hes 1 dimentional...But eh I think he'll break out eventaully.

"Eisenfuß" Eilts
17 May 2006, 06:50 PM
Everybody, who thinks he´s one-dimensional should watch him play.

He didn´t make many goals with his head,
that´s a bullsh*t comment of people,
who didn´t see his developing.
Most goals were made this season with the foot
after combinations.

Maybe you think, i am biased, because i am a Bremen fan,
but look at the goals. That weren´t headers.

Furthermore the BL is no weak league,
only the EPL has more players at the WC than the Bundesliga.
People ,like this tw*t Hleb, who say the BL is weak,
should sh*t up, today Barca punished his arrogance.

Congratulación Barca, ganas la victoria. :)

Juanbuix
17 May 2006, 06:56 PM
Klose has NEVER been a Worldclass striker

There are only 35-50 players called "Wordclass" and the DEFINITION is: Wordclass player is a player who is PROVEN to be the BEST in their position at ANY CLUBS and also at their National team.

Now look at Klose: he is just a B+ class of striker. If he would go to bigger teams (Barca, Real, Milan, Juve , ManU or even Arsenal) he won't stand a chance to be a starter as striker. In Germany shirt, he has to share with Kiranuyi or Poldoveski ,,, Therefore he is NOT a worldclass striker, and his techniques is NOT there as a worldclass strikers.

Right now there are only ~10 Worldclass strikers : Henry, Sheva, Ronaldo Et'oo, Nistelrooy, Trezeguet, Adriano, Zlatan and maybe oWEN, Raul, Torres, Rooney, Del Pierro.

BED-STYPUNDIT
17 May 2006, 08:11 PM
Klose has NEVER been a Worldclass striker

There are only 35-50 players called "Wordclass" and the DEFINITION is: Wordclass player is a player who is PROVEN to be the BEST in their position at ANY CLUBS and also at their National team.

Now look at Klose: he is just a B+ class of striker. If he would go to bigger teams (Barca, Real, Milan, Juve , ManU or even Arsenal) he won't stand a chance to be a starter as striker. In Germany shirt, he has to share with Kiranuyi or Poldoveski ,,, Therefore he is NOT a worldclass striker, and his techniques is NOT there as a worldclass strikers.

Right now there are only ~10 Worldclass strikers : Henry, Sheva, Ronaldo Et'oo, Nistelrooy, Trezeguet, Adriano, Zlatan and maybe oWEN, Raul, Torres, Rooney, Del Pierro.

Couldn't have said it better, and Euro 2004 is eviodence to that, he is a good player, but he isn't world class

Miran Klosnic
18 May 2006, 07:10 AM
Klose has NEVER been a Worldclass striker

There are only 35-50 players called "Wordclass" and the DEFINITION is: Wordclass player is a player who is PROVEN to be the BEST in their position at ANY CLUBS and also at their National team.

Now look at Klose: he is just a B+ class of striker. If he would go to bigger teams (Barca, Real, Milan, Juve , ManU or even Arsenal) he won't stand a chance to be a starter as striker. In Germany shirt, he has to share with Kiranuyi or Poldoveski ,,, Therefore he is NOT a worldclass striker, and his techniques is NOT there as a worldclass strikers.

Right now there are only ~10 Worldclass strikers : Henry, Sheva, Ronaldo Et'oo, Nistelrooy, Trezeguet, Adriano, Zlatan and maybe oWEN, Raul, Torres, Rooney, Del Pierro.


so in my opinion you guys have never seen him play this season! Because, when you have seen one (!) game of him you wouldn't talk about him this way! So before you judge about a player you should have watched some scenes of him!

Moonsault
18 May 2006, 08:29 AM
Pretty boring to read the negative comments of users who don't see Klose playing every weekend. :( *yawn*

If you can ready german, read the articel called "Der unscheinbare Star" -> "The inconspicuous star":
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/inhalt/0,1518,416375,00.html

"It's his biggest plus that people always underrate him"

herewego
18 May 2006, 09:17 AM
Klose has scored with 4 times with his left foot, 12 x right, and 9 with his head and 16 assists in his 26 Bundesliga games this season.

Take a look at this clip of Bremn´s latest 6:0 against Cologne, with 2 goals and 2 assists of Klose, especially at his right food crosses from the left wing, before you call him one dimensional.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5K4T5l0YRw&search=Klose

Miran Klosnic
18 May 2006, 09:39 AM
@ herewego

Thank you! Great clip! That was just ONE demonstration of Klose in the past season! He was just magical! :o

extranjero
18 May 2006, 10:13 AM
Regardless of whether Klose is "world class" or not, he is certainly not a one dimensional player.

Yes, he is certainly an excellent header -- scoring (all) of his five goals in Korea/Japan 2002 with his head. This was more the result of Völler's tactical approach -- constantly putting high balls into the box against smaller teams -- than any limitation of Klose, though. Klose usually scores many more goals with his feet than with his head.

This is not terribly surprising for anybody who has seen him play recently. Klose cannot only outjump most people, he also has good pace and is fairly skillful. It might be said he is almost a complete striker. The only thing he might perhaps be lacking in is physical strength.

It's also striking that Klose isn't just his league's top goalgetter, he is also the most efficient one -- needing the fewest attempts to score. The fact that he also led the league in assists indicates his good vision and unselfishness.

It would be speculation to say he would or wouldn't start for an elite club but it's difficult to see how he would score fewer goals than some of the players have done recently who have been mentioned as world class strikers in this thread.

As for Germany's early exit at Euro 2004, I fail to see how this is suited to disprove Klose's class any more than France's exit in 2002 disproves Zidane's class, for example. Klose had been injured recently and wasn't fit. Hence, he didn't start a single game and only played about half an hour total -- coming on the pitch twice late in games when Völler got desperate, and not because Klose was really fit to play.

BED-STYPUNDIT
18 May 2006, 10:37 AM
so in my opinion you guys have never seen him play this season! Because, when you have seen one (!) game of him you wouldn't talk about him this way! So before you judge about a player you should have watched some scenes of him!

He didn't play very well aganist Italy and the US this year in friendlies, he can really finish, but he isn't world class. However, with the German crowd behind him and the team, i think he will score 3 goals this summer.

extranjero
18 May 2006, 11:01 AM
He didn't play very well aganist Italy and the US this year in friendlies, he can really finish, but he isn't world class.

It's true that Klose played badly against Italy but so did virtually everybody on his team. It's difficult to make much of an impression under such circumstances.

However, I wonder about your assessment of Klose against the US. IIRC he was the best player on the field. He scored once, assisted twice and won the free kick which led to the first german goal.

mofo4life
18 May 2006, 12:16 PM
Klose has NEVER been a Worldclass striker

There are only 35-50 players called "Wordclass" and the DEFINITION is: Wordclass player is a player who is PROVEN to be the BEST in their position at ANY CLUBS and also at their National team.

Now look at Klose: he is just a B+ class of striker. If he would go to bigger teams (Barca, Real, Milan, Juve , ManU or even Arsenal) he won't stand a chance to be a starter as striker. In Germany shirt, he has to share with Kiranuyi or Poldoveski ,,, Therefore he is NOT a worldclass striker, and his techniques is NOT there as a worldclass strikers.

Right now there are only ~10 Worldclass strikers : Henry, Sheva, Ronaldo Et'oo, Nistelrooy, Trezeguet, Adriano, Zlatan and maybe oWEN, Raul, Torres, Rooney, Del Pierro.

LMAO @ Kiranuyi or Poldoveski. You have no clue bout the BL.:rolleyes:

He's definatly better than Ibrahimovic(most overrated striker),Owen(he was good 3 years ago),Raul and Del Pierro(both are subs 4 in their clubs).;)

Moonsault
18 May 2006, 12:37 PM
He didn't play very well aganist Italy and the US this year in friendlies, he can really finish, but he isn't world class. However, with the German crowd behind him and the team, i think he will score 3 goals this summer.

I just saw a few games of Eto'o but in every game he simply s*cked. So that means, he's not a world-clann player 'cause I saw him playing bad in 5 games?

Teso Dos Bichos
18 May 2006, 04:46 PM
He isn't one dimensional but isn't world class either. Can you really put him in the same bracket as the likes of Shevchenko, Ronaldo, Henry, Van Nistelrooy? I think not.

schafer
18 May 2006, 05:01 PM
What's his scoring record like for Germany?