Transfer Birds and Bees

[Sapphire]

I need a little help here. I want to understand the basic dynamics of transfers in the EPL, and I can't quite figure it out on my own. Maybe someone can explain the basics to me? Or direct me to an article/thread that explains everything clearly and consisely -- although I've not found one of these yet.

Here's what confuses me: There are 3 parties -- the selling club, the buying club, and the player (well, their agent really) -- I want to understand each of their roles in a trade. Who initiates the trade? Do all 3 have to agree on a transfer, or can a player be unloaded without his consent? Does the buying club negotiate the player's transfer fee separately from the player's new salary? If we wanted to buy a player, Kuijt for example, would we go directly to Feyernood or to his agent first? How does it all work???? :confused:

I'm interested specifically in the dynamics of the soon-to-be Ruud transfer, and the soon-to-be world class midfielder we're getting, so feel free to use those as examples. :)

[StrikerCW]

Basically (and very very basically) the buying club makes an offer, or enquires or whatever you want to say. Say they offer 25 MM for Ruud (I wish), we must accept this as a good offer. After that, the player (or agent in alot of cases) has to agree to terms for the new contract with the new club.

So basically when a transfer is made, the buying club is buying the rights to give a contract to the player. If the player does not agree with the move/contract, such as Silvestre, then the transfer can not go through.

Any questions class?

[Sapphire]

Ohhhh. . . So, the clubs work it out first, THEN the player gets to negotiate with the new club or veto the deal altogether. The world is making more sense now. :cool:

Anyone have something to add, or did Striker just put my thread out of its misery?

[Toon³]

You can also have a bosman transfer where at the end of the players contract he can move for no transfer fee. Just like Ballacks transfer to Chelsea.

[Sapphire]

Yeah, I did know about that, Toony.

Does a player have ultimate veto power over a deal? I mean, could Silvestre, for example, continue to resist being sold until his contract ran out? Do the players usually get more money when transferring to a new club before their contracts run out? I know it's the preference of the selling club of course--but is there any way to "force" a player out, other than benching/humiliating him/kicking a boot in his face?

Lots of questions from me tonight, I guess.

[yossarian]

Ohhhh. . . So, the clubs work it out first, THEN the player gets to negotiate with the new club or veto the deal altogether. The world is making more sense now. :cool:

Anyone have something to add, or did Striker just put my thread out of its misery?

Well.....the clubs are supposed to work it out first......but the players' agents (at times) have a way of.....shall we say.....circumventing those rules.

[Achtung]

Does a player have ultimate veto power over a deal? I mean, could Silvestre, for example, continue to resist being sold until his contract ran out?

It would seem so, at least in certain cases, such as the one of Winston Bogarde.

[Sapphire]

Winston Bogarde.
http://www.ek.nl/mop_img/Winston%20BA%20Bogarde.jpg

:D

[benni...]

So basically if Ruud lost the passion for Football because Fergie picked on him, and wanted him out, Ruud wouldnt have to come to training, or anything, but he would still get paid?

[StrikerCW]

So basically if Ruud lost the passion for Football because Fergie picked on him, and wanted him out, Ruud wouldnt have to come to training, or anything, but he would still get paid?
I think that would be breach of contract and they could sue and/or fine him endless amounts of wages.

[benni...]

So what if he does train with the club, and refuses to accept any other move?

[Redfoot]

So what if he does train with the club, and refuses to accept any other move?

Then he wouldn't be sold, although he could be sent to play with the reserves or youth teams until his contract is up.

[Dark Savante]

I need a little help here. I want to understand the basic dynamics of transfers in the EPL, and I can't quite figure it out on my own. Maybe someone can explain the basics to me? Or direct me to an article/thread that explains everything clearly and consisely -- although I've not found one of these yet.

Here's what confuses me: There are 3 parties -- the selling club, the buying club, and the player (well, their agent really) -- I want to understand each of their roles in a trade. Who initiates the trade? Do all 3 have to agree on a transfer, or can a player be unloaded without his consent? Does the buying club negotiate the player's transfer fee separately from the player's new salary? If we wanted to buy a player, Kuijt for example, would we go directly to Feyernood or to his agent first? How does it all work???? :confused:

I'm interested specifically in the dynamics of the soon-to-be Ruud transfer, and the soon-to-be world class midfielder we're getting, so feel free to use those as examples. :)

Normal procedure:

- Buying Club enquires about player.

- At this point they are told whether the player is for sale or not. If it's a no, it ends there. If it's a 'maybe' or a 'yes' buying club is permitted to talk to the player.

- Player then ges sweetened up by buying club and decides whether it's yay or nay.

- Terms, sale price and finer details of contract are sorted out and the deal is concluded....

Meanwhile, in the real world...where big players are involved.

Buying Club talks to agent.

Agent talks up buying club with best offer to player.

Player talks with buying clubs' manager.

The better the player the more sweet talking, he gets a private tour of the new clubs' grounds, facilities, perhaps a meeting with the chairman on a luxury boat or at a restuarant, etc (lol)

Player agrees terms with buying club.

Player puts in a transfer request to club he currently works for.
(At this stage, if it was a good tap-up the press is only just finding out about it and taking the story to the general public. If the agent is haggling with more than one club, he'll have informed the press prior to this point to raise interest from other potential suitors as well as perhaps squeezing even more out of the buying club as they fend off late bidders, etc.)

Buying club approaches the other club.

'Selling club' is basically coerced into a sale. Or, if they feel the buying club has been exceptionally underhanded, they will even take a loss and try and sell the player to another club or play hardball and request more money from the buying club.

Buying club gets their man.

Zing! :D

For further information on the murkier side

Type in 'George Graham bung' or somesuch in a search engine. He's one of the fools caught on the take, most are smarter than that though.

[Dark Savante]

FA trains its sights on overseas agents

Paul Kelso
Wednesday May 17, 2006
The Guardian


The activities of overseas agents such as Pini Zahavi and Jose Mourinho's representative Jorge Mendes will be policed by the Football Association if draft regulations being considered by the governing body are adopted.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1776372,00.html

[MtP07]

What's a bung?

[Dark Savante]

What's a bung?
Google, thou shalt be thine friend! :D

[Achtung]

What's a bung?

British slang for a bribe.

[Howard Zinn]

I haven't seen this answered yet, but what is the limit on English teams with non-EU players? I've always assumed it's three, but have never seen a definite answer.

[Vermont Red]

Someone should also let Sapphire know how much the player pockets from the transfer fee. I don't remember the percentage, but I'm sure someone will.

[benni...]

I haven't seen this answered yet, but what is the limit on English teams with non-EU players? I've always assumed it's three, but have never seen a definite answer.

I dont think there is a limit in England. Not 100% sure though.