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JeffS
15 May 2006, 06:53 PM
Most people are pretty pessimistic about Germany's prospects for the WC.

But here are some reasons for optimism:

1. Miroslav Klose - 25 goals in 25 games this season. In a word, phenomenal. I'll even make the argument that Klose has emerged as a true world class striker. Don't laugh. Again, he's scored 25 goals in 25 games this season. That, folks, takes world class talent. Klose's game has improved by leaps and bounds, particularily since he arrived at Bremen. He's no longer the one-dimensional, goals only in the air sneaking behind unaware defenders type of player. He is now a true striker. He scores goals of all kinds. All he needs is the smallest of cracks, or the smallest of opportunities, and he'll take advantage of it. He is really showing a deft touch, and a pinpoint shot nowadays, and looks just as good on the ground as he's always been in the air.

The goal Klose scored just this Saturday would have made Shevchenko, or Crespo, or Ronaldinho proud. It was only a half chance. He had a defender draped on him. He had the goalie cutting off his angle. He had to really stretch to even reach the ball. But he got it, and cleverly flicked it into the upper right hand corner of the net, with the on rushing goalie and defender unable to do anything about it. Only elite players could have scored on that play, and Klose did score.

Another Klose goal, featured in the Bundesliga Highlight show's goals of the year, was a rocket shot from just outside the left hand corner of the penalty box, put into the upper right hand corner of the net, beyond the diving reach of the goalie.

And, again, 25 goals in 25 games.

Klose is really stepping up, and should be a force to be reckoned with in June.

2. Ballack - as good as ever. He has scored in just under half of his Germany games, as a midfielder. He just led Bayern to two consectutive domestic doubles. He led Leverkusen to the CL final. He leads Germany in scoring in WC qaulifiers. he was phenomenal at WC02, and is even better now. Need I go on? Ballack, for the past 4 or 5 years, has been considered to be Germany's one true world class player. He deserves that distinction, except now I think he's no alone.

3. Jens Lehmann. Is there another 'keeper anywhere in the world in better form? Lehmann's been a monster for Arsenal in the CL, and in the EPL, and his form unseated super stud (although declining) incombant Ollie Kahn.

4. Bastian Schweinsteiger - super talent. A bit inconsistent, but very skillfull, creative, exciting, and capable of making huge plays at any time. This might be a break out tournament for Schweini.

5. Phillip Lahm - Still very young, but very gifted, and continually improving. May become a true world class left back before long. Very good going forward, solid in the back, very skilled, and has lot's of speed.

6. Tim Borowski - He's had a breakout season for Bremen. 10 goals as a midfielder. He has good skill on the ball, he's creative at times, he's an accurate passer, he reads the field well, has a rocket shot, and works hard for the whole game.

7. David Odonkor ....

????????? WTF ?????????? ....

yup, David Odonkor. ....

Yes, he lacks true pro skill and polish. Yes, he's still raw. Yes, he's never played for the German nats before. But here are the top reasons why David Odonkor will make a (positive) impact this summer:



Speed
Speed
energizer bunny
Speed
Blazing Speed
Good crosses
supersonic speed
Non stop energy
Lightning speed
Faster than a cheetah
Speed,
... and did I mention speed??

Don't underestimate this. Germany overall lacks team speed. And David Odonkor is arguably the fastest player of all teams going into the WC. When he's in, he'll pin down the left mid and left defender of the opposition, simply because they'll be trying to catch up to Odonkor, and won't be able to go forward. And he'll blow past anyone on the flank. And he'll do it for the entire game (or from the point he's inserted as a sub in case the German attack is listless) without losing any speed or energy. And many of those times he blows past everyone on the flank, he'll actually get a decent cross in (without dribbling out of bounds ;) ), where Klose, Poldi (or Nueville) will be eagerly eating the crosses up. In any case, if Odonkor gets any PT, it will be an absolute blast to watch him.

There now, doesn't everyone feel better? ;)

Memento
15 May 2006, 07:01 PM
The only guy you left out with a highlight was Podolski,who I think will have a great tournament.

I think we have a solid starting eleven(but few valuable substitutions).But anyhow,a solid starting eleven.

JeffS
15 May 2006, 07:12 PM
The only guy you left out with a highlight was Podolski,who I think will have a great tournament.

I think we have a solid starting eleven(but few valuable substitutions).But anyhow,a solid starting eleven.

Yup. Poldolski could be very good in June. He had an up and down season with Koln, but the potential is certainly there.

Lionhead
15 May 2006, 09:06 PM
Most people are pretty pessimistic about Germany's prospects for the WC.

yup, David Odonkor. ....

Yes, he lacks true pro skill and polish. Yes, he's still raw. Yes, he's never played for the German nats before. But here are the top reasons why David Odonkor will make a (positive) impact this summer:



You made very good points, but I disagree re Odonkor. I doubt that he will even make the bench. If he gets a chance he'll be having problems to connect with the team. My prediction: only sub, if injuried players out

herewego
15 May 2006, 09:13 PM
One has to mention the 16 assists that Klose added to his 25 goals. He is simply in the top 5 of strikers in the world today.

Lionhead
15 May 2006, 09:24 PM
One has to mention the 16 assists that Klose added to his 25 goals. He is simply in the top 5 of strikers in the world today.

An outstanding achievment of a now world class striker. Would you believe that this is the highest score of a German striker since Klaus Allofs (Köln) scored 26 in 1984/85. At last we have striker who can make a difference.

Bayerntone
15 May 2006, 09:38 PM
Klose reaches the pinnacle of his career this year at Bremen. It's actually a pity that due to injury he did not play all his matches in CL otherwise Bremen could have advanced further than the first knock-out phase.

Odonkor is a sprinter. He is the fastest runner in BuLi and clocked at 10.9 sec per 100 m. His inclusion in the squad gives Klinsi extra dimensions to configure his lineup and strategies. But he is inexperienced and does not appear to be a reliable finisher ... he scored only ONE goal in the whole season! Klinsi is taking a gamble on him.

And oh that Huth bashing again ... he has played more minutes in the national team than in Chelsea!

Memento
15 May 2006, 09:42 PM
Klose reaches the pinnacle of his career this year at Bremen. It's actually a pity that due to injury he did not play all his matches in CL otherwise Bremen could have advanced further than the first knock-out phase.

Odonkor is a sprinter. He is the fastest runner in BuLi and clocked at 10.9 sec per 100 m. His inclusion in the squad gives Klinsi extra dimensions to configure his lineup and strategies. But he is inexperienced and does not appear to be a reliable finisher ... he scored only ONE goal in the whole season! Klinsi is taking a gamble on him.

And oh that Huth bashing again ... he has played more minutes in the national team than in Chelsea!

How good was the performance of Klose outside the Bundesliga,in Europe?
It woould be interesting to compare on that basis,outside the bundesliga.Still he is a top striker that shows a glimmer of light,no doubt.

Bayerntone
15 May 2006, 09:46 PM
Good question, Momento. In fact marred by series of injuries, his performance in Eurpean matches (mostly in CL) were not as impresssive as in the BuLi.

However, when played against CL caliber teams in the BuLi: Schalke, Hamburg and Bayern, Klose performed really well.

herewego
16 May 2006, 10:30 AM
54 x 74 - 1990 = 2006

HeyaBVB
16 May 2006, 10:41 AM
7. David Odonkor ....

????????? WTF ?????????? ....

yup, David Odonkor. ....

Yes, he lacks true pro skill and polish. Yes, he's still raw. Yes, he's never played for the German nats before. But here are the top reasons why David Odonkor will make a (positive) impact this summer:




Odonkor played U21 ... thats a ********ING german Nationalteam , the 2nd most important NT we have he has international experience and he is one of the best in the U21 .. he could have played U21 EC in Portugal as well .-.. next time better inform yourself :) That he is raw and need to improve his skills I can admit as hardcore BVB fan :)

Psychosis hsv
16 May 2006, 11:59 AM
after the match against poland and the coming friendly against Japan I will be able to tell if they have made improvement. but it will all depend who the starting 11 will be

JeffS
16 May 2006, 12:11 PM
How good was the performance of Klose outside the Bundesliga,in Europe?
It woould be interesting to compare on that basis,outside the bundesliga.Still he is a top striker that shows a glimmer of light,no doubt.

I haven't seen recent stats, but I believe Klose has scored in over half of his appearances for the national team.

This included 5 goals at WC02.

Thus, I'm convinced that he can score at both domestic and international level.

As a true goal scorer, Klose is the real deal, IMHO.

JeffS
16 May 2006, 12:18 PM
Odonkor played U21 ... thats a ********ING german Nationalteam , the 2nd most important NT we have he has international experience and he is one of the best in the U21 .. he could have played U21 EC in Portugal as well .-.. next time better inform yourself :) That he is raw and need to improve his skills I can admit as hardcore BVB fan :)

U21. I stand corrected.

That's further reason for optimism. :)

Really, I'm fairly high on Odonkor, as raw and unpolished as he is at this point. You just can't teach the kind of blazing speed he has, or the constant, unending energy he brings to games. I mean, putting David Odonkor on a generator treadmill could solve all of our energy problems, replacing nuclear, solar, oil, etc.

I also think Odonkor shows some decent dribbling ability, and the ability to get off good crosses.

With some time and experience and good coaching (which he is receiving from Van Marwijk and now Klinsi), the professional polish will come.

For June, David Odonkor will fullfill the role of "X factor", that Klinsi can go to if/when the German attack gets static.

Gregoriak
16 May 2006, 05:32 PM
54 x 74 - 1990 = 2006

Weird stuff.

TheNameOfTheG..
17 May 2006, 12:59 PM
54 x 74 - 1990 = 2006

hahahahaha

Ebbelwoi
17 May 2006, 07:21 PM
How good was the performance of Klose outside the Bundesliga,in Europe?
It woould be interesting to compare on that basis,outside the bundesliga.Still he is a top striker that shows a glimmer of light,no doubt.

3 goals + 1 assist in 7 CL games this season.

Ebbelwoi
17 May 2006, 07:45 PM
Some more reasons for optimism: :)

The most important of course is the home advantage. According to statistics of the Institut der deutschen Wirtschaft Köln (http://www.iw-koeln.de/default.aspx?p=pub&i=1838&n=lastpub2&m=pub&f=4&a=18957) the host stays on 2,5 rounds longer than normal. Our standard is quarter finale! :cool:

The Tournament Effect:
As we all know our boys rise to the occasion - come the K.O. stages our boys will be ready. We have an relatively easy group so we won't be too exhausted when we face (Sweden, Paraguay, England) in the round of the last 16.

Compact Midfield: When our midfielders track down the oppenents ball leading player it will give our shaky defense massive support. And just look how we did it against France - wasn't our defense pretty solid against Henry and Trezeguet?

Versatile Strikers: you'll never know where Klose and Podolski show up next. Both add so many dimensions to the game you'd figure the defense of our opposition can't handle them all! And should some team manage to shut our strikers down, there is still Ballack!

Physical Play: You can't outplay us because getting for the ball will always be painfull.

Set Pieces: Some tease us that the ball is our enemy. Well, just give the ball a rest and he is our friend for sure!

Heading Power: How do you stop Ballack, Klose or our tall defenders from scoring with headers?

Penaltys: If nothing helps the extratime is our friend. Don't you just know we'll win the penalty shoot out anyway? :p

TimB4Last
18 May 2006, 04:50 PM
[My apologies if this info is easily available elsewhere.]

On another thread, someone posted the average ages of all 32 WC teams. There's roughly a 3-year spread, from 28 all the way to 25 (Ghana).

Germany was well down the list, i.e. one of the younger teams. As GKs, rightly or wrongly, were included, Germany might well drop further - i.e. be younger still, if GK's ages were excluded.

[Argentina is also 'surprisingly' young. England is too, but their situation is special in some senses - although Rooney himself isn't old.]

Why is Germany so young? And does youth cut one way or another in terms of optimism (for 2006, not 2010)?

Memento
19 May 2006, 06:35 PM
As much as I have not liked Klinsman's decisions about player selection.I give my vote of confidence to him for until after the WC.

He has given confidence to young german players in this WC,players like Lahm,Jansen,Podolski,Mertesacker,Odonkor,Schwensteiger will be given a chance, and most of them in the starting XI.Germany is among the five most young teams in this WC.

This is not bad considering teams like Holland,Argentina,and England have many young players in their squad.

Klinsman is risking it all:

-if he does a good tournament with these team,h will probe many people that Germany has been working with their young players'Isn't all this what the reconstruction was all about.Even if Germany has a bad tournament, some young players will still conrinue to improve. If all things do happen right, in two years at the Eurocup and in 4 years at WC 2010 ,we will be seeing some of the new breed of young german players like,at least players like Trochowki,Fathi,Sinkiewicz,Kiessling,KP Boateng and some more...

Not many German coaches would have took such a risk with young players,most of them would have gone with the "old guard"with more experience,but not so much quality,so I give a vote of confidence to Klinsmann for sticking with some young players in this WC.