View Full Version : Most Revolutionary/Pioneering teams?
Fiorentina lives!
19 May 2007, 04:22 PM
Good point cantona94!
Meola, Ramos, Harkes, Lalas, Jones, etc. ... the core players of the 1990s teams that opened the doors for the USA MNT grew up watching the Cosmos and the NASL.
Even though the NASL folded they planted the seed. :)
squidward123
03 Jul 2007, 10:34 PM
Holland 1974, the "Totaal Voetbal" in action.
west germany 1972 did it first at international level, and better
russ
13 Jul 2007, 09:11 AM
Who were the earliest users of the 4-3-3? Brazil 62 and Milan of the 60s spring to mind. The Dutch and German sides of the 70s perfected it though.
Alf Ramsey won the English League and the World Cup with a 4-3-3.
indestructible
14 Jul 2007, 03:17 AM
Don't forget Grande Torino of the 40's
dor02
15 Jul 2007, 05:27 AM
Alf Ramsey won the English League and the World Cup with a 4-3-3.Ramsey used 4-4-2 in 1966.
I've heard that Il Grande Torino used a 4-4-2 formation but it's only wikipedia. I haven't seen any reliable sources to prove the point.
russ
15 Jul 2007, 09:21 AM
Ramsey used 4-4-2 in 1966.
Not really-he started his England career playing the 4-2-4 Revie system,then began asking more of his wide players.At Ipswich his 4-3-3 had one player dedicated as wide left winger fedding two front men while the right winger played a more defensive role.
Alan Ball ,although he played in midfield in 1970,was a more advanced runner in the 66 side than Martin Peters.Bobby Charlton was a midfirld player in the Ramsey setup,although by today's standards,he might considered as playing "in the hole".
Kubala
08 Aug 2007, 05:00 AM
Ramsey used 4-4-2 in 1966.
I've heard that Il Grande Torino used a 4-4-2 formation but it's only wikipedia. I haven't seen any reliable sources to prove the point.
No, it was a pure WM with two full backs (Ballarin and Maroso), one centerback (Rigamonti), 4 midfielders (Grezar, Castigliano, Loik and Valentino Mazzola - father of Sandro Mazzola), two attacking wingers (Menti and Ossola) and a centerforward (Gabetto) and Bacigalupo as keeper.
Valentino Mazzola was the greatest players and the leader (he was a player of the kind of Di Stefano and Cruyff .. time ago i met Boniperti, another talented italian player of the 40s and 50s, and he told me he still consider Mazzola one the the five greatest players he ever saw).
Maroso was also an enormous talented player, with an extraordinary technique for a defender, and probably, if he had the chance of a longer career and a world cup stage, he would be remebered amongst the best full backs of the football history).
The others were all great players, even if not of the same level, and the Italian National Team was made of 7-10 players of Torino until they died in Superga in May 1949.
I would also mention the young midfielder Fadini: he was considered a great prospect, and in 1948-49, as Grezar was becoming old, began to find more and more space on the pitch.
The managers and the same Mazzola considered he would have become in time the new leader of the squad, but unfortunately he died before being having the chance to demonstrate his full value.
dor02
08 Aug 2007, 05:48 AM
I had a feeling that it had to be a 3-4-3 or 3-2-5. Looking at the players Torino had, I couldn't visualise a 4-4-2. It was great team nevertheless and who knows what would have happened if the players didn't die and they went to play for Italy in Brasil 50.
soccerfootball
29 Sep 2007, 05:45 AM
im glad you said hungary..many forget about them